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This is the scenario-

A bartender at an American Legion came on her shift and noticed that an officer in the club was already pretty lit up.

She claims she was going to try and slow roll him to get him a bit sobered up. She says he left the bar and was still pretty drunk.

She called the police and alerted them that he might be a danger.

The police stopped him and he was over twice the legal limit.

The bar owner contacted the bartender 2 days later and fired her.

In an interview with a local Fox affiliate the bar owner says her actions were “bad for business.”

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» 53 Comments

  1. cfm990

    February 24th, 2013

    Responsibility lies in the individual. Period.

    Yeah, I had a chance at stopping that drunk from driving. But fuggit, wasn’t my call. Besides, I still got two more kids, and the wife will be fine.

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  2. Barry

    February 24th, 2013

    Another stupid meaningless poll.

    Here is one of this commenters greatest hits:

    “It bothers me that we have people like you who are so brain dead and are unable to think for themselves. I just can’t believe there are stupid people like you that let the right wingers and/or tea baggers lead you around by the nose. I bet you go to bed every night with a Lumballs doll. Again, you are a disgrace to the human race. As far as your e-mails, it just reaffirms my position that we have a few nuts out there that love the republican party who could care less about you, unless you are a millionaire.”
    !snip!
    -_bfh

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  3. Marion Barry

    February 24th, 2013

    The bitch set me up …

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  4. serfer62

    February 24th, 2013

    The poll ignores the fact that a victum of a DD can sue the bartender/bar & win.

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  5. BigFurHat

    February 24th, 2013

    And that’s a “good thing”?

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  6. Jethro

    February 24th, 2013

    There were three possible answers that I wanted to vote for. They happen to be the most popular answers so far.
    Those that both SERVE and CONSUME alcohol have the responsibity to ensure their actions do not risk the safety of others. Both act voluntarily.

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  7. xthred

    February 24th, 2013

    What a bitch.

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  8. IronyCurtain

    February 24th, 2013

    The choice I need to check is:

    Drunk driver is stopped, hung in village square.

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  9. Paul Moore

    February 24th, 2013

    I’m with Jethro. There are no absolute and easy answers here. We need to take responsibility for ourselves, but we also need to watch out for each other. I think most folks would avoid involving the law if a better choice was available. He didn’t need to get arrested. He just needed to get home safe.

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  10. Bad Brad

    February 24th, 2013

    “Responsibility lies in the individual. Period.”

    Well I guess the bar tender was being individually responsible by keeping him off the road. I’ve used my cell phone while on the road to turn them in before. When there weaving all over the road somebodies needs to take action before bad things happen. If your that stupid to get behind the wheel drunk, you get what you deserve.

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  11. Moxie Man

    February 24th, 2013

    @Jethro +1

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  12. BigFurHat

    February 24th, 2013

    The second set of poll answers will not embed, I’ve tried 4 times.
    Wordpress plug-ins can sometimes suck ass.
    This is one of those times.
    I might have to reinstall the plug-in next time we do a poll.
    Sorry about that.
    If you feel that my list of ten didn’t cover it all, I tried.

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  13. AbigailAdams

    February 24th, 2013

    If more of us acted on what is morally right, like noticing when someone who is obviously drunk about to get in his/her car and offering a ride home, then we wouldn’t be drowning in useless laws that do not save lives.

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  14. BigFurHat

    February 24th, 2013

     
  15. Grace_ia

    February 24th, 2013

    I agree with Bad Brad. I too have called the cops on a drunk driver (who luckily was in front of me on the road and did not hit or kill anyone).

    We need to be responsible for ourselves, but we also need to be responsible for innocents that may be injured or killed by a drunk driver.

    The innocents deserve our protection more than the person who deliberately consumed alcohol then deliberately decided to drive.

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  16. Tim

    February 24th, 2013

    I’ve been in bars.
    I’ve been in liquor stores.
    I’ve been to parties.

    No one has EVER forced me to take a drink.
    No one has EVER tricked me into taking a drink.

    And the bars and liquor stores all wanted me to pay for any liquor I consumed or took home.

    Once I buy it – their responsibility is over.

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  17. Milwaukee Mike

    February 24th, 2013

    As a former bartender, here’s my take: She was right in calling the cops when he took to the road. She was wrong, completely wrong, in serving this guy even one beer and not giving him the heads up that she would call the cops if he were to leave and drive. It’s really more simple than has been discussed.

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  18. Czar of Defenestration

    February 24th, 2013

    I *hate* this “the bar/bartender has a responsibility…” crap! (And *this*, from someone who is so cheap that he hasn’t been into a bar in decades…)

    NO.

    You, Mister Drunk, have the responsibility to pay for what you drink and know how to get home…and be able to pee all on your own, too.

    The bar/bartender ONLY has the responsibility to be open and sell good stuff at a reasonable price.

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  19. Milwaukee Mike

    February 24th, 2013

     
  20. Kenny Sullivan

    February 24th, 2013

    Nowhere in the story did anybody mention asking him not to drive or offering to call him a cab.

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  21. Amos Moses

    February 24th, 2013

    People don’t take keys away anymore, or drive someone home?

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  22. Anonymous

    February 24th, 2013

    “Once I buy it – their responsibility is over.”

    @ Tim, until you get yourself in deep doodoo and your lawyer makes the call.

    To prove my point, how many parents let their dui kids go to jail ?

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  23. Kenny Sullivan

    February 24th, 2013

    “She claims she was going to try and slow roll him to get him a bit sobered up”

    Was she working a 12 hour shift?

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  24. BigFurHat

    February 24th, 2013

    Nowhere in the story did anybody mention asking him not to drive or offering to call him a cab.>>>

    Because it’s not anyone’s responsibility to do either of those things.
    It’s nice, it’s decent, but it’s not required.
    And anyone that relies on this buddy system as they set out on the town to get drunk is not a responsible person.
    All the yip yap in the world is not going to erase the fact that some people go out in order to get drunk, and whatever happens to them, whether it be they get killed, kill someone else, end up arrested, etc. is not anyone else’s fault, including getting humped by a bartender that didn’t play along with the fraternal order of drunkiness.

    I agree she should be more transparent with the customers and tell them when she thinks they should be cut off for the night, but that is not, apparently, “good for business” either.

    I’m sure most of you who are bitching about my particularly take on this would be the first ones complaining to the Legion Hall that that bartender has to go, and that a “better” bartender with more liberal views should be hired.

    Please.
    This sounds an awful lot like the gays in the bathhouses who blamed Reagan for not doing enough to save them from themselves, even after all the information was available to them, while simultaneously fighting to keep the bathhouses open when the CDC came in to shut them down.

    All roads lead to personal responsibility.

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  25. Bad Brad

    February 24th, 2013

    If you don’t like the way I’m driving, stay off the damn side walk.

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  26. persecutor

    February 24th, 2013

    Most if not all States have something called Dram Shop Liability and bar owners’ liability insurance coverage and defense is predicated on those cases where the bar cut off the drunk-like this barmaid did.

    She might be “bad” for business, but had that guy gotten into a fatal accident with someone, I can assure you that when the bar owner found out he no longer had insurance coverage for the lawsuit the business would have been flushed down the shitter because no one would write a policy for him after that went on the insurance wires.

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  27. BigFurHat

    February 24th, 2013

    “She claims she was going to try and slow roll him to get him a bit sobered up”

    Was she working a 12 hour shift? >>>

    I included what she claimed. I have no idea what her shift was or how long it would take to sober him up.
    Should she have given him a breathalyzer test?
    What else should she do? Maybe a sponge bath to clean up the shit in his pants so his wife doesn’t know he’s a stumble bum?

    If your used to people getting so shitfaced in a bar that they require 12 hours to sober up than we have nothing to talk about.
    I think that world is depressing, especially when the guy drove there.

    You can romanticize all you want about this guy, and try to paint the bartender as the villain. Drunk drivers are as much a threat and a danger to me than some thug with a gun. Neither cares about the people who live among them.

    I see a drunk and I see nothing but trouble.

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  28. BigFurHat

    February 24th, 2013

    I saw my father drunk a few times. I was scared out of my mind. I wanted to punch the shit out of him for putting himself in a state that could get himself killed.
    I questioned whether he was as smart as I thought he was and if he even cared about his family.

    After one particularly embarrassing event he stopped drinking.
    He was a smart guy.

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  29. Kenny Sullivan

    February 24th, 2013

    It’s a bit much to say I am romanticizing the drunk…

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  30. Bad Brad

    February 24th, 2013

    My dad was bad to be around when he drank. WW 2 vet. I think when those memories started gnawing at him he drank. Wasn’t good.

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  31. Dadof3

    February 24th, 2013

    None of the above.

    I think Milwaukee Mike and persecutor may have it.

    Around here a server is held responsible for “over-serving”. By these laws she screwed the pooch by not cutting him off as soon as she saw he was too drunk, which was immediately. Calling the police after serving him when she shouldn’t would be an attempt at covering her ass in any lawsuit coming from a wreck he gets in.

    Yes the cab thing should have been a part of cutting him off.

    I have seen many people cut off since the law passed. It’s a common occurrence now around here.

    It’s interesting when a patron is a concealed carrier and does opt for a cab. He can’t legally have his gun with him in public in that condition and he doesn’t want to leave it in the car that gets left in the parking lot. My son the cop faced this a few months ago.

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  32. norman einstein

    February 24th, 2013

    I’m for whatever it takes to keep drunks off the road.

    Nobody knows all the circumstances of this situation from the limited information in this article, but assuming the bartender WAS experienced and knew this particular patron, I have to take her side.
    Maybe she goes through this shit with him every week, and it was time he spent some face time with the law.

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  33. Hawaiian

    February 24th, 2013

    Drinking at home ain’t like drinking in a bar. If you get liquored up at home and then get behind the wheel, you did it by yourself and it’s all on you. If you get drunk in a bar, you were allowed to get drunk in that bar. Other people, the bartender as well as the holder of the license for that bar, prepared the drinks and served them to you. They had an equal requirement to serve those drinks responsibly and to not allow any patron to get over-the-legal-limit hammered. If you get drunk in a bar and get behind the wheel, legally everyone involved shares responsibility…it ain’t just the drunk himself at that point.

    There isn’t anyone who acted responsibly in this story. Not the drunk, not the first bartender, not the owner, and especially not the woman who served the drunk and then jackassed it all up by calling the cops.

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  34. cfm990

    February 24th, 2013

    Just a Question???
    Had she cut him off, and then he left. Would he really have been any less drunk? Personal responsibility is a wonderful thing. Pretty well moot when you throw it away.

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  35. "That Guy"

    February 24th, 2013

    Publicly flog the drunk driver, then throw him in jail.

    Give the bartender a medal.

    Publicly flog the bar owner for being a douchbag.

    Stop busting people for PI when they decide to walk home after getting drunk.
    Stop busting people for DWI/DUI that are sleeping it off in their car, or pushing their motorcycle home, and happen to have their keys in the ignition.

    Prosecute anyone who kills someone while driving drunk for murder 2, and sentence them accordingly, the lesser “intoxication manslaughter” is bullshit.

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  36. Dano

    February 24th, 2013

    Personal responsibility! End of fucking story!

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  37. Moe Tom

    February 24th, 2013

    Present. No Comment. Too Much LoInFo input about bars, drinking, getting drunk, and getting home.
    What are we children?

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  38. Moe Tom

    February 24th, 2013

    If it weren’t for whiskey and Guiness the Irish would rule the world and there wouldn’t be a fu*king muslim standing. Forf*ksakelightentof*kup.

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  39. Dan Ryan Galt

    February 24th, 2013

    @ Kenny-more like romanticizing the stoned. Just kiddin

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  40. pdwalker

    February 24th, 2013

    I was in that situation once.

    I took his keys. I fed him coffee instead of booze. I took him to his car to sleep and after his shift I drove him home.

    That was my choice.

    (There were no laws against drink driving in that place at that time)

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  41. Moe Tom

    February 24th, 2013

    pdwalker. There isn’t a man worth his salt who hasn’t done that in his life. Good for you.

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  42. Troy

    February 24th, 2013

    TGI Fridays had to pony up 21 million in a settlement.
    http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-74734438.html

    Oh, one more thing. Two young teenagers he killed scorched the road so bad it remains that way today.

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  43. Mr. Pinko

    February 24th, 2013

    Was almost killed by a near head-on collision with a drunk driver. Avoided the head-on with Nascar-like maneuvering.
    I chased the guy down, stopped him – was going to just take his keys and throw them in the woods and leave until I saw his 12 year old son in the back seat.
    Called the cops.
    Cops come, arrest him, impound his car and then proceed to harass me, accuse me of drinking and driving.
    After I blew a zero on a breathalyzer, I berated the cop, yelled at him to “blow me!” and expected to get hauled away to jail. Cop knew he did the wrong thing, harassing a good Samaritan citizen and let me call him every name in the book with every expletive you can think of for 10 minutes.
    My parting words and middle finger, “Next time I won’t get involved. I should’ve let the drunk go so he can hit you and/or your family.”

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  44. Mr. Pinko

    February 24th, 2013

    Bartender should ask one question to a patron, “Are you driving?” Then proceed with common sense.

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  45. Unruly Refugee

    February 24th, 2013

    Driving with my dad one day when I was a kid, we were behind a guy who was all over the road. Ended up in the left turn lane behind the guy, waiting for traffic. So my dad puts the van in park, walks up and reaches through the guy’s open window, puts the car in park and pulls the keys out of the ignition. He then took off the gas cap of the drunk’s car and deposited the keys in the tank.

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  46. BigFurHat

    February 24th, 2013

    It’s progtarded to pass the responsibility for your own shitty behavior onto everyone else, and to expect that there should be some buddy system out there waiting for you rather than that woman who “done you wrong” by betraying the loyal oath of drunkland.

    She called the cops.
    I really, really, really do not care about what kind of mess this made for the drunk guy.
    None whatsoever.

    If I can get one person to think about this the next time they sit down at the bar fully knowing they intend on driving home I will feel as if this thread was worth it.

    Moe Tom had the money shot – drunks don’t know how fucked up they are. Think about that.
    And if you are going to rely on the bartender, scratch that – demand that the bartender, or your friends, take care of you as you start your journey into that abyss, you might have a drinking problem.
    I have no idea how someone could release their reason and control, good sense and intelligence in public and not be afraid of the consequences.
    I consider that behavior on par with the actions of any other drug addict. I don’t give that bad judgement and bad public behavior a pass because it’s some veteran. As I said before, this person poses as much a danger to me than some junkie.

    If you’re going to start citing state law and say that it’s the responsibility of the bar to cut you off, or take care of you, you might have a drinking problem, as well as an ideological one.

    I’d be more than happy to issue street justice to drunk drivers. But since I can’t I have to call the cops, as much as I’d like to put a brick on the accelerator and point the jerk towards a cliff.

    Going into enabling mode and getting the cot and having the guy sleep it off is terrible “help” if it’s not followed up by an intervention where you risk losing that friendship by telling them how fucking stupid it is to drive to a bar and get stinking drunk. If it was the first and only time this has happened, great. If it’s happened more than once than that person is in danger and you’re not helping by :protecting him” in that way. You’re helping contribute to a potential tragedy.

    And I stand by my original post title. Karma dictates that the bar owner get in a head on collision with good ol’ drunky.

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  47. Carlsonal

    February 24th, 2013

    I voted for personal responsibility, but sadly, alcoholics aren’t very responsible. It’s a fallen world.

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  48. Mr. Pinko

    February 24th, 2013

    Oh, I forgot to add – I was offered a drink earlier that day (big football game) and refused because I was driving. The host responded to my refusal, “just have one beer”.
    I have a pact/steadfast rule with myself – no alcohol touches my lips when I’m driving. I stay true to that – and that’s why I was extremely pissed off at the cop and the irresponsible drunk – because I was responsible and I still got crap.

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  49. Moe Tom

    February 24th, 2013

    Carlsonal. Alcoholics are responsible. They go to meetings. Drunks are just drunks.

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  50. Moe Tom

    February 24th, 2013

    Mr. Pinko. Guess you met a prick of a cop. Not a hard thing to do these days.

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  51. Moe Tom

    February 24th, 2013

    Yes Sir.A drunken man dosen’t think he’s drunk. He thinks he’s right on the ball. He can sing like Sinatra, Dance like Fred Astaire and drive like Steve McQueen. Takes a mighty lot o’ convencin’ to get a dude like that to give up his keys and be driven home.
    But a persistant friend and a cooperating bartender will assure that that is what will happen. BFH it IS the responsibility of a friend to protect a drunk in harms way. And a real Propritor or Bar tender will usually assist.
    It’s the Christian thing to do. I’m not talking about the muscle bound fags at TGIF’s.Been there too. Fu*kem.

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  52. JimBob

    February 24th, 2013

    I’m drinking now, but was hit by a texting driver last month.

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  53. Brian

    February 25th, 2013

    What a fun topic. Can everyone agree that almost all bars have parking lots and most require a driver’s license in order to drink?

    And this is debatable, of course, that more than likely thousands of people in every major city drive home near or above the legal limit every single night and don’t kill or injure anyone.

    I thought someone might bring up the Reason post about the Arizona courts ruling that you do not even have to be under the influence to be charged with DUI anymore.
    http://reason.com/blog/2013/02/23/court-rules-arizona-can-prosecute-sober

    If you’re the bar owner and your bartender has done something that may scare off all of your customers you absolutely have the right to fire them. I don’t drink in public anymore where I’m driving but I’d never go to that bar if I knew that happened. Cut them off, arrange a cab, express concern – something.

    Plus, so many people are on pills nowadays that a bartender could serve them two drinks and the synergistic effect of the alcohol would put someone well out of their mind. Nevermind the rise of microbreweries where the average beer is 5.2% to 6.4% and above. Two beers now equals four beers.

    The ultimate responsibility lies with the individual but if cities and states want to continue to collect their sin tax revenues on the backs of drunks then it may be worthwhile to develop some kind of rideshare program where a taxi company also drives your car home if necessary.

    Or, everyone can be judgmental and hope this problem solves itself by way of law enforcement taking away everyone’s rights and ruining everyone’s lives in the process who gets caught in their net.

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