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PJ Tatler

Time to kill off the ‘fascism is on the right’ myth.

This is my first attempt to work with PJM readers to form a knowledgebase. If we can pool our talents and put all the information in one place, this will help us fend off current and future attacks on our rights. So here’s your chance to help save America, right from the comfort of your desk.

Today’s lesson regards the divisive tactic of equating conservatives with fascists, as if fascism is also a right-wing manifestation. But fascism and communism are far more similar than not, and it’s time to kill this Alinskyism (rules 3, 4, 5, 8,10, and 13).

Human Rights Watch reported the Chinese government—i.e. the Communist Party—recently announced they’re planning to “stop using” their Re-education Through Labor (RTL) system “sometime this year.”

Under the RTL system, individuals can be detained and subjected to forced labor for up to four years on the decision of the Public Security Bureau alone. According to the Chinese government, the system is designed to reform minor offenders, such as drug users and prostitutes, through work.

So when you buy those cheap products made in China, you’re supporting the system I call Chinese Redistribution of American Profit (CRAP). Unpaid labor lowers production costs, raising profit margins and/or making your iPhone and TV more affordable.

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  1. Left Coast Dan

    February 1st, 2013

    From Dictionary.com, first definition: a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

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  2. printboy

    February 1st, 2013

    Try to watch this while it is free….

    The answer to the question is in the first 10 minutes of the video….

    http://vimeo.com/52009124

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  3. thirdtwin

    February 1st, 2013

    From Jonah Goldberg’s “Liberal Fascism”:

    “…since we must have a working definition of fascism, here is mine: Fascism is a religion of the state. It assumes the organic unity of the body politic and longs for a national leader attuned to the will of the people. It is totalitarian in that it views everything as political and holds that any action by the state is justified to achieve the common good. It takes responsibility for all aspects of life, including our health and well-being, and seeks to impose uniformity of thought and action, whether by force or through regulation and social pressure. Everything, including the economy and religion, must be aligned with its objectives. Any rival identity is part of the “problem” and therefore defined as the enemy. I will argue that contemporary American liberalism embodies all of these aspects of fascism.”— P.23

    I hope that helps a bit.

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  4. Left Coast Dan

    February 1st, 2013

    Fascism is clearly about government control. In theory it is run by a charismatic and powerful individual, not a group, as opposed to an oligarchy or communism/socialism. I would argue that one of the negative points of the US Republican Party is that it says ‘Freedom, except for this handful of things for which we want to control your life’ – among the most cited being homosexual acts and abortion. Certainly abortion is arguable, don’t want to get into that here. My point is that although GOP is mostly the opposite of fascism, enough slips out that others can claim it for them.

    But Republicans are still, at least primarily, the party of freedom and small government. Hard to argue Fascism. I think the real culprit, as it most often is, is that liberals make statements in a vacuum, and hope for no rebuttal. Obama certainly does this all the time, outright lies, knowing that even though we know the truth most people will take him at his word. Other politicians do likewise, as does the mainstream media. My mom thinks the liberal way because she never hears the rebuttals. She means well, but without me there to bring up all the counterarguments she will never hear them.

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  5. grayscape

    February 1st, 2013

    Fascism can only be implemented if you have a government big enough to do it.

    Big government is a leftist dream.

    Small government is a conservative dream.

    Small governments are too small to be fascist.

    Communism is the full expression of big government – the leftist dream. Fascism is merely the natural means by which a bigass communist government exerts it’s control over the population.

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  6. Anonymous

    February 1st, 2013

    No need to re-invent the wheel. Read Mark Levin’s Liberty and Tyranny. It’s all spelled out.

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  7. China Products

    February 1st, 2013

    It is nearly impossible to find something not made in China.
    We could destroy China tomorrow by making all goods from China illegal. Apple would instantly go out of business.
    It would be a great day. Bring China to their knees.

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  8. Alpha Maser

    February 1st, 2013

    This one is EASY. Because Fascism is National Socialism, i.e, NAZI — and Mussolini and Hitler were both socialists. What do I win?
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  9. old_oaks

    February 1st, 2013

    Merriam-Webster says, a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

    This is where wires get crossed in calling conservatives fascists because folks who incorrectly use the word are thinking along the narrow lines of RACISM.

    Which most liberals are racist, that’s why they feel guilt, etc.

    The newly redrawn Illinois 11th is a clear indicator of who the racists are and it wasn’t redrawn by anyone remotely conservative.

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  10. reddecaesari

    February 1st, 2013

    i don’t see a difference in application.
    seems to be a concentration of power benefiting those in charge. and their friends. everyone else is a mouse on a wheel.

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  11. Diann

    February 1st, 2013

    Read Jonah Goldberg’s brilliant “Liberal Fascism.”

    ‘Splains it all.

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  12. Name Redacted™

    February 1st, 2013

    Everybody forgets that it was Mussolini who coined the term “fascism.” He wrote an autobiography about it, which I have not yet read, but I think there is an important component to fascism that the corporations are embedded with the government.

    Conservatives, i.e. “the right” tend to be more patriotic, which the left likes to call “nationalism.” Because we love America, they liken it to loving “the mother country.” They then tie us to the “National” part of National Socialism. They totally ignore the “Socialism” part, which is all about having central control.

    I made up this zinger to use on lefties during an argument, but I haven’t used it yet:

    If you’re anti-globalism and anti-capitalism, doesn’t that make you a national socialist?

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  13. Dan Ryan Galt

    February 1st, 2013

    “Socialism is any system whereby the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively OR by a centralized government, either one of them planning and controlling the economy. Hence, both the USSR and Nazi Germany were socialist states, the difference is that while the former is collective, the latter is centralized government.”

    NAZI is an abbreviation for National Socialist German Worker’s Party so suck it up Libs.

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  14. Red 5

    February 1st, 2013

    Rt wingers want small gov, more individual liberty, ect. Gov off our backs. What part of Hitler’s fascism was them ideas part of? You always hear the left screaming how Hitler went after the commies first. Fascism and communism are not enemies, they are competitors. They had the same ideas. Watching Hitler and Stalin go at it is like watching a democrat party primary election….

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  15. Red 5

    February 1st, 2013

    Watching Hitler and Staiin fight it out is like watching a democrat party primary election…

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  16. DavidD

    February 1st, 2013

    It goes deeper than that. There is nothing inherently “right-wing” about Conservatism, either–Conservatism has meant different things at different times in different places. The Conservatives in Weimar Germany wanted to restore the Monarchy; Conservatives in Colonial America would have wanted to preserve the Monarchy, as well.

    “Right-wing” versus “Left-wing” is a false dichotomy. The choice is between Tyranny on one hand and Anarchy on the other–and it’s more a horseshoe than a straight line: tyrants need anarchists to incite the riots necessary for the populace to demand government intervention; hence the love affair for the modern Democrat party with the Occupy movement.

    When the choice is between Tyranny on the one hand and Anarchy on the other, limited government and individual responsibility are not extreme positions–they are the exact opposite of extreme positions, since the point is to avoid either extreme.

    Communism and Fascism are both tyrannical systems.

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  17. Trixie Bluebell

    February 2nd, 2013

    Highly recommended – if not required reading: “Liberal Fascism” by Jonah Goldberg and “Liberty & Tyranny” by Mark Levin.

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  18. TheFineReport.com

    February 2nd, 2013

    Under a fascist government, there are two classes of people: the ‘haves,’ and the ‘have nots.’ If the ‘have nots’ complain, they are murdered.

    Under a communist government, there are two classes of people: the ‘haves,’ and the ‘have nots.’ If the ‘have nots’ complain, they are murdered.

    I hope this clears up any confusion.

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  19. Stranded in Sonoma

    February 2nd, 2013

    I have to say this, and it may not be popular, but here goes.

    I do not believe that fascism is a form of government. I believe it is just a means to an end.

    To start with, the symbol of fascism is the fasces. It is a bundle of sticks held together with bands to make them strong. The inference is that one stick can be broken but that many together cannot. Therefore, fascism in its most benign form is just: United we stand, divided we fall.

    Look at the following photos.

    Fasces one.
    Fasces two.

    You will notice the fasces on one of this country’s most important monuments and IN one of its most important buildings. The first is obviously the Lincoln Memorial and the second is the US Congress. Does this mean that Abraham Lincoln was a fascist? Well, if you define fascism as united we stand, divided we fall then I guess you could say Lincoln was a fascist. What was his fascism? He held the Union together. How did he do this? He told the people that we must abolish slavery. Quite a laudable goal for a fascist, wouldn’t you say? I think you will find “fascism” in many forms used by many world leaders. John Kennedy’s fascism of beating the Russians to the moon united this country during the 1960′s.

    But those were goals worth achieving. What was Hitler’s fascism? Exterminate the Jews. You will see that every socialist dictatorial genocidal bastard will subvert united we stand, divided we fall in a way that only madmen can. They tell their people that they are in danger from someone or something that must be exterminated. Either a religious group (the Jews) or their own countrymen (dissidents) who want to stop the march forward toward progress. So, instead of having laudable goals of enhancing personal freedom (ending slavery) or something technological and scientific (landing on the moon), the socialists use (actually misuse) the means of fascism to justify their dictatorial ends.

    We tend to think of fascism as forcing one’s beliefs on another. That is true when the fascist is also a socialist because socialism is always force, never a choice. However, when the “fascist” is NOT a big government socialist dictator, but he is uniting a people or a country for a truly worthwhile goal, we tend to think of them not as a fascist because we are free to partake of the goal or not. As I recall, less than 5% of the American colonists actively supported the revolution against the British. And yet we have a fasces in the Halls of Congress to show that because of the revolution, we are the United States of America.

    In a sense, we are all fascists. We don’t want to stand alone against the irresistible force and be broken up on the rocky shore of futility. If we must fight, we want to stand together because there is safety in numbers. And usually victory, too.

    I believe it is a question of your morals and goals. Dissolving your link to a tyrannical monarchy — ending slavery — landing a man on the moon. As opposed to exterminating over 100 million people — telling the people how bad they are because they are causing the planet to warm — these are the socialist goals that turn fascism into hatred and do not unite a people, but divide them. And I believe that is the difference between good and bad fascism. Unity or division.

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  20. 99th Squad Leader

    February 2nd, 2013

    Fascism,(totalitarian ideals, principles, views, culture etc.) is the engine that keeps the system of Communism, (implementation of fascist ideologies through centralized government), operating.
    Without fascism, communism has no drive.
    A stalled communist government is very fragile and at risk of being overthrown, therefore, a new fascist entity must be put in place immediately to revive the communist system. An example of this would be the tyrannical Muslim Brotherhood replacing the previous dictatorship in Egypt.

    Socialism is a system of assimilation used to make fascism palatable. Socialism is a process that corrupts ideologies and systems based on individual autonomy, so that full fascist ideals can take hold.
    Socialism does allow for rejection of a fascist ideal, but communism would not. For example, some of our school systems are going back to their accepted menu choices. Eventually, if opposition is not strong enough, a communist government would make fascist school menus permanent for all school systems.

    I believe America is suffering from the disease of socialism which is intended to erode our system of individual liberties, with the goal of take over by fascist regimes that will set in place a communist government system.

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  21. RickeyG

    February 2nd, 2013

    The problem with modern definitions of fascism is that they are post-Hitler, usually tainted with the liberal notion that fascism is “right-wing”.

    The term was widely used in the early part of the 20th century but I’ve yet to see a definition from that era, pre-Mussolini and Hitler. Anybody got a dictionary from the 1920′s?

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  22. Tim

    February 2nd, 2013

    People lie and make up stuff to vilify their opponents. “Fascist” was the socialist political party formed by Mussolini to further his socialist pursuits. He was trying to get Italians to rally to their Roman past, take pride in their Italian-ness, and thrust Italy back onto the Center of the world stage. The “Fascist” was named after the “fasces,” a bundle of sticks with an ax blade, carried by Roman lictors as a symbol of the power of the magistrates. Mussolini was a socialist newspaper editor who decided that Italy wasn’t living up to its full potential. The “Fascist” Party was Socialist by design and ideology.

    The socialists attempt to muddy the waters of language in order to control the narrative. The international socialists supported both the National Socialists of Germany and the Fascist Socialists of Italy until Hitler turned on his ally, the Soviet Union, and invaded. Then, the international socialists branded the national socialists “rightists” to separate them in the minds of their ignorant followers.

    During the Spanish Civil War the socialists called themselves the “Republicans” and Franco’s people “Fascists” because Franco’s political party was called the “Falangists” which harkened back, again, to the Romans, and was based on the “Phalanx,” which was a square formation of warriors who could fight in any direction.

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  23. Tim

    February 2nd, 2013

    Socialism has many guises.
    Liberty has none.

    Fascism is equivalent to Communism because they are identical to each other except in name.

    Fascist
    Nazi
    Communist
    Socialist
    Christian Democratic Socialist
    Democrat
    Social Democrat

    These names simply represent their origin – there is no difference in ideology or philosophy.

    For instance, the “Communist Party” ruled the “Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.” A ‘soviet’ is just the governing form that the communists used to force the peasants to do their bidding and give a patina of choice to the process. Stalin was the General Secretary of the Communist Party Politburo and never declared himself dictator. Hitler’s socialists followed the “leader principle” and called themselves “National Socialists” as opposed to “International Socialists” of soviet fame. But the party had “leaders” at every level of oppression. ‘Unterfuhrer,’ ‘oberfuhrer,’ ‘sturmfuhrer,’ ‘Reichsfuhrer,’ &c.

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  24. Red 5

    February 3rd, 2013

    Fascism and communism are two centralized Statis systems. On the Statis coin, heads you got communism, tails you have fascism.

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