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Home - by - January 17, 2013 - 20:30 America/New_York - 8 Comments

This is via Andrea Shea-King (Facebook). It is part of a conversation between Mike, of Sipsey Street Irregulars, and a completely lost leftist friend of his.

This is how the debate wrapped up. (Lefty in italics)

“I’m not really sure I know who “you and Your Kind” are. I thought we were all Americans . I thought we were a Democracy of the Republic application. I thought that we were governed by laws and those laws were approved by the majority of the people. I thought that by pledging our allegiance we agreed to obey those laws even if we personally had not voted for them.”

I thought so, too. Or used to. (See that worldview thing above.) But just because one side gets to out-vote the other (or out-count the vote) and institute unconstitutional laws with the assistance of black robed politicians does not negate the other side’s God-given and inalienable rights codified in the Constitution. The Founders were as suspicious of tyranny by democratic majority as they were about monarchs, maybe more so. Believe me, now that me and mine are a despised minority in our country, I understand where they were coming from.

“In any event Mike, I love you , I will not kill you. Come visit me any time. I have spent all of my life trying to fix people, make them comfortable, keep them from dying. I’m not going to change.”

Doc, I don’t want you to change. Our side in this debate is not telling anybody to change, or how to live. Unfortunately, I can’t say the same for the nanny-staters, the federal meddlers, the hard-core collectivists and their useful idiots who are telling US to change, instructing US how to live, demanding more and more every day of OUR liberty, OUR property and infringing every so much more on OUR lives and threatening them if WE don’t comply. We just want to be left the hell alone to live as we have always lived. We are neither evil nor crazy. But we will not disarm without a fight.

Mike.

Read the rest HERE. It is well worth it.

» 8 Comments

  1. bitterclinger

    January 17th, 2013

    Mike presents cogent, well-researched positions. Doc is willing victim of liberalism, a mental disorder. I couldn’t take too much of him.

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  2. Mental Illness

    January 17th, 2013

    Progressives are mentally ill

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  3. Jethro

    January 17th, 2013

    “I thought that by pledging our allegiance we agreed to obey those laws even if we personally had not voted for them.”

    In other words:
    “Sometimes YOU have to die for something I believe in.”

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  4. Wraith

    January 17th, 2013

    From the comments:

    LEFTIST/PROGRESSIVE: I wish all those ‘freedom loving’ gun nuts would go off and form their own country somewhere…

    CONSERVATIVE/LIBERTARIAN: We did. Who the phuck let you in?

    Couldn’t have said it better myself.

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  5. Wyatt, Insensitive Progressive Jerk

    January 17th, 2013

    I want the government to be scared of the private citizenry.

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  6. KF

    January 17th, 2013

    Progs are :evil: evil and :twisted: twisted

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  7. Tedjusant

    January 18th, 2013

    To the report,
    YOU ARE ALL AMERICANS , BUT NOT THE FOREIGNERS,ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ,ALIENS, AND CERTAINLY NOT THOSE THAT VOTED FOR OBAMA,

    SO THE ANSWER IS ,YOU ARE TO THE NATIVE RED INDIANS,

    WHAT THE FOREIGNERS,ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ,ALIENS, AND CERTAINLY NOT THOSE THAT VOTED FOR OBAMA,
    ARE TO YOU,
    BUT WITH ONE BIG DIFFERANCE ,
    YOU HAVE KEPT AMERICA ” AMERICA ” AND THOSE OTHERS HAVE KEPT IT A SHIT HEAP.

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  8. Caegyn

    January 22nd, 2013

    Great piece. I read the long version and it smart, intelligent, and to the point. In it there is one thing said by the lefty that rubs me the wrong way more than anything else:

    “I thought we were a Democracy of the Republic application.”

    Huh? We are a Constitutional Republic. We the people formed a government of elected representatives to pass laws and policies within a system of rules. That system of rules is The Constitution, Bill of Rgihts, and other Amendments.

    A democracy, even a democracy of a Republic persuation could vote our rights away. It could concievably do away with the 2nd Amendment, the 1st, checks and balances and anything else it desires.

    A Constitutional Republic by design must operate within the edicts of the Constitution. Put simply:
    A democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner. Liberty is a well armed sheep contesting the vote. -a quote attributed to Ben Franklin, its veracity is in question. The accuracy however is not. A democracy can indeed produce tyranny, which is why our founding fathers constructed it differently.

    Sorry for the length. I am not as precise nor as eloquent as Mike was.

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