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Are there any executive orders on this list that you find reasonable?

I’m not talking about the way they were issued, or who issued them, or if you have a sneaking suspicion of these orders because of who issued them. On face value -imagine if Reagan was the one who wrote this – are there any provisions here that you agree with?

1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.

11. Nominate an ATF director.

12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper
training for active shooter situations.

13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.

21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.

23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

» 42 Comments

  1. Bad Brad

    January 17th, 2013

    None of them. But, everyone with the exception of 14 I believe has already been in place in one form or another. He lost this one, he knows it, he’s pissed. And he will try again the next time a good tragedy presents itself.

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  2. KF

    January 17th, 2013

    Anything that is a vague or open ended statement such as #13 and #23 have potential for a bad outcome with the Marxists in the Executive branch. It reminds me of 0bamacare where it says “as decided by the HHS secretary”, it’s just too vague.

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  3. BigFurHat

    January 17th, 2013

    7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
    8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
    19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

    What’s the problem with these?

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  4. Drackxman

    January 17th, 2013

    This is just a distraction. Something else is going on here.

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  5. MaryfromMarin

    January 17th, 2013

    #14 simultaneously cracks me up AND makes me want to scream. The CDC? Really? Are they planning on blaming gun violence on Ebola now?

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  6. MaryfromMarin

    January 17th, 2013

    Sorry, BFH–that wasn’t what you asked. Just wanted to vent.

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  7. BigFurHat

    January 17th, 2013

    I asked that people not be cynical when looking at the list. I guess that is impossible.

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  8. Bad Brad

    January 17th, 2013

    BFH,

    7, NRA already does.

    8, UL already does.

    19, Local PD’s and state agencies already train for.

    This guys pissing in the wind.

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  9. BigFurHat

    January 17th, 2013

    Forget it.
    Forget I said anything.

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  10. MaryfromMarin

    January 17th, 2013

    To respond to your comment:

    #7 and #8 sound reasonable (with the caveat that I’ve yet to find anything reasonable coming out of the mouths or brains of this outfit, so I retain at least a sliver of suspicion).

    As for #19, my questions would be: just who is going to develop the “model emergency response plans”? Using what criteria? And who is going to review them for feasibility, effectiveness, and practicality? It’s a reasonable statement, pertaining to an important issue, but lacks utter specifics as to implementation.

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  11. Bad Brad

    January 17th, 2013

    I don’t think it’s cynical. Well maybe it is cause I resent the fact he’s trying to cover his tracks with a bunch of kids on stage. But he is certainly being redundant in his suggestions. I don’t think responsible gun owners are against common sense good safety practices. But your recent art work framed the debate perfectly.

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  12. MaryfromMarin

    January 17th, 2013

    Again, I apologize for any cynicism, BFH. Knee-jerk reaction.

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  13. JimBob

    January 17th, 2013

    We need a new president if Obama and all the democrats resigned before Benghazi would it have happened?

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  14. Anonymous

    January 17th, 2013

    Say what you want about Alex Jones, he deserves it. But this is golden:

    http://www.infowars.com/other-tyrants-who-have-used-children-as-props/

    .

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  15. beezzer

    January 17th, 2013

    BFH, you make an interesting point. If a “Romney” were making these draconian rules, I wonder how many liberals would be screaming about privacy rights, gun rights etc.

    I hereby give you 10 internet dollars for making such an erudite point!

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  16. venturaguy

    January 17th, 2013

    #11 would be unnecessary if he and Holder wouldn’t have screwed the pooch with F&F

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  17. MaryfromMarin

    January 17th, 2013

    I don’t believe that Reagan would have issued vague, largely redundant statements like these, regardless of their reasonableness. What would be the point?

    So why is BHO issuing vague, largely redundant statements, even though most of them are reasonable? What is the point?

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  18. Bad Brad

    January 17th, 2013

    beezzer, ur missing the point. This shits been done to death, and none of it is addressing a solution to keep children from being murdered. It’s kabuki theater. True to his presidency all bull shit. Arm the teachers. End of story.

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  19. AbigailAdams

    January 17th, 2013

    Lately I’ve been going full-on constitutionalist in my view of gun matters. The 2nd Amendment is what, all of about 3 sentences? Anything beyond “…shall not be infringed.” is simply gov’t interference in the rights of citizens — is simply the gov’t hassling us where they have no rights do so.

    Parents, teachers, and school boards should be able to recommend and come up with safe schools and safe children all by themselves. This must be figured out at the local level, not at a federal level. Get rid of the DoEd and give the states back their rightful rights and let the good citizens of the good school districts determine what they want for their own schools and families. Period.

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  20. AbigailAdams

    January 17th, 2013

    Oh, and start outing the dumbass judges, “mental health professionals” and others who feel it is beneath their pay grade to bring the hammer down on people who pose a threat to society. We don’t owe career criminals 2nd and 3rd and 4th chances as we wait for them to escalate their pathology.

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  21. eternal cracker p

    January 17th, 2013

    Throw all this shit out the window.

    Arm the kids.

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  22. Mary Jane Anklestraps

    January 17th, 2013

    The health care stuff is intrusive, and does nothing. There are already laws on the books to report nutty criminal people but no one does because they’re scared of getting sued by the patient or the ACLU.
    The NRA as well as shooting ranges offer classes on gun safety, and I’m pretty sure sellers know how to fill out a dammed background check form and license.

    18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

    They have that already. They’re called truant officers, campus cops and sometimes schools have ACTUAL cops patrolling.
    Especially in bad neighborhoods.

    0bama’s trying to fill in and bolster 0bamacare, and look pretty at the same time.
    He’s full of shit.

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  23. JimBob

    January 17th, 2013

    24# Machine guns to make the democrats dance for their last minutes on earth.

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  24. Mary Jane Anklestraps

    January 17th, 2013

    And yes, had Palin, Reagan or even Romney done this, I would still be pissed. Because this is entirely lame and they should know better.

    All of this does NOTHING and can do nothing to help the mentally ill. You know why?
    BECAUSE BEING MENTALLY ILL IS NOT AGAINST THE LAW.
    Common sense tells you you should not hand a gun to a nut. But no one can be charged until they actually do something.

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  25. beezzer

    January 17th, 2013

    Brad, I agree. But you can’t escape the partisan element in all of this.

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  26. Mary Jane Anklestraps

    January 17th, 2013

    PS- You wanna know where the mentally ill are right now? Check Venice Beach and Santa Monica CA. They’ve been bussed there for years. That pee smell doesn’t just come from the ocean. lol.

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  27. Mary Jane Anklestraps

    January 17th, 2013

    Dear Center For Disease Control.
    Go find out why you can’t stop the gonorrhea super bug and quit messing with shit that has NOTHING to do with you.

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  28. Claudia

    January 17th, 2013

    I don’t really see a problem with #9. If the police can trace where a criminal got his gun (probably 10-15% of the time) it might help in solving some crimes. But it may not even work that much because – as we all know – criminals don’t register. If they stole it from someone who did register, then it may help. I dunno.

    #11 seems reasonable.

    I get what you are trying to do, Fur. I often think of our kneejerk reaction to what liberals do and think that we may be doing the same shit that we accuse the left of doing. It’s easy to just shut your mind off when it’s ‘them against us’.

    But I agree with many here that the open ended ones are too vague. Either ‘side’ could use them for nefarious purposes.

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  29. norman einstein

    January 17th, 2013

    9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

    Does this apply to guns recovered in Mexico?
    s/o

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  30. Twellsy

    January 17th, 2013

    He gets a twofer. Crack down on guns AND grow the government. Dandy.

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  31. Boobie the Rocket Dog

    January 17th, 2013

    Many of those things are already in place. What’s UNreasonable is Obama’s trying to federalize them and take credit.

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  32. Unruly Refugee

    January 17th, 2013

    It depends upon who is interpreting those EOs and for what agenda they will be a tool for. Lawyers have a lot of tricks up their sleeves, and we have too many lawyers running the shop.

    There is SO much corruption in our “justice department” and the entire political system that governs our country, the only thing I would be comfortable agreeing to would be to fire everybody and start from scratch while keeping the Constitution intact. A rebuilding supervised by armed citizens. New requirement — all politicians have to be working class non-wealthy patriots who actually love America for the Blessings God has bestowed upon her. No more of this richest man is the winner shit; that’s why we don’t have honest politicians in the first place.
    Lawyers need not apply.

    Our government is infested with greedy, godless, criminals who care only about their own wealth and don’t give a shit about the Constitution or our troubles.

    They can make those Executive Orders say anything they want, just like the “Health Care” bill, by twisting the words around in the fine print among pages that nobody reads.

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  33. IMPEACH Obama

    January 17th, 2013

    The bottom line is this President, and the current Federal government, have BLOWN their credibility with the People.

    THEY along with the Media have divided this nation into halves, at the least, and they play the halves against each other. On every issue they can.

    They all need to be eradicated.

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  34. thirdtwin

    January 17th, 2013

    @Bad Brad…

    Agreed. It’ s typical Obama penny-ante stuff dressed up to make him look like he’s Doing Something, when it is really just a list of bureaucratic tinkering which was being done anyway.

    Forget Fast & Furious for the moment. This is the real “under-the-radar” stuff that Obama was talking about when he was blowing smoke up Sarah Brady’s ass. Obama just put it on the radar.

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  35. pink Floyd

    January 17th, 2013

    None of it is reasonable, because it’s not intended to be. It’s intended to expand government. All that any of this does is create more paper for more bureaucrats to shuffle from one desk to another in hopes that they can justify their pathetic, meaningless lives.

    The only real outcome will be that Liberty has been throttled for the honest, law abiding citizen.

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  36. thirdtwin

    January 17th, 2013

    @ Norman Einstein…

    Or guns recovered in north Africa? Assuming any are ever recovered.

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  37. RANDO

    January 17th, 2013

    Look! barry is angling for another Peace Prize.

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  38. RANDO

    January 17th, 2013

    The entire list as window dressing. Nothing on it would have saved the lives at Sandy Hook. It’s nothing but an incremental gun grab.

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  39. Carlos The Jackal

    January 17th, 2013

    As far as I’m concerned, it all goe back to that little “Shall not be infringed.”
    That means leave the 2nd the fuck alone.

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  40. pink Floyd

    January 17th, 2013

    “every terrible implement of the soldier…the birth-right of ALL Americans!”

    Tench Coxe

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  41. PAvolley

    January 17th, 2013

    Expand, expand expand the Fed.
    #’s 1, 2 & 3 share everyone’s data with all, i.e. We’d like to give you that life insurance policy but we see you own a gun.
    #4 with shared data, all of a sudden a speeding ticket makes you dangerous, we can’t sell you this gun.
    #5 we can’t give your gun back, your data shows a mental health flag (you passed out once).
    #6 you gun dealers are too stupid to run a background check for a private sale. What, would the fee or process be any different from a business sale?
    #7 after demonizing what the NRA does best, we’ll take this opportunity to expand Fed gov’t again.
    #8 because locks & safes don’t work? Well only when you don’t secure with locks & safes you don’t actually have.
    #”s 9 & 10 see Eric (the) Holder
    #11 redundant
    #12 law enforcement already learned mistakes at Columbine and changed from waiting for intel & SWAT to arrive, to actively persuing the shooter(s). First Responders already train for WMD’s & know police secure scene when bullets are flying before EMS & Fire approach. If they want EMS to train and enter active shooter events with police, then why all these other EO’s if this tells me they expect the events to become more frequent and drawn out?
    #13 “Maximize,” tell the Lib judges letting crooks off for 2nd(10) chances.
    #14 All lead bullets must now where a condom to prevent the spread of disease.
    #15 Throw money to crony techno weanies just like the oh so successful electric cars, windmills and unicorn farts. When these don’t work you have time to fix the problem. When your defensive security doesn’t work death is immediate.
    #16 Recover from Harry Reid’s little health care insertion that doctors don’t ask don’t tell on firearms, so we’ll all be answering gun questions prior to getting our free overpaid for health care. Maybe its best to be unconcious before treatment.
    Like to continue, but I have to go earn that fare which I must share with the non earner.
    OK, #19 I understand the history on shootings at schools & institutions of higher education (gotta protect the lib profs). The only houses of worship I hear being shot up & blown up are Christian churches in Asia/Africa by Islamists. Is this a sign of things to come?

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  42. BILL on the HILL

    January 18th, 2013

    13 Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

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