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My Discussion With the Journal News

Home - by - December 27, 2012 - 15:11 America/New_York - 43 Comments

I just got off the phone with a guy who picked up the Breaking News tip line at the Urinal News- er… Journal News. That number is 914.694.5077

Here are some notes from our conversation:

BFH: Does the Journal News stand by their decision to publish the names and addresses of gun permit owners?

JN: There’s been no change.

BFH: What was the motive of publishing this map?

JN: The motive was clearly stated at the time of publication

BFH: Can you spell it out for me what the motive was?

JN:  It was spelled out when we published it.

BFH: I didn’t see that. I saw the map.

JN: If you haven’t seen it then why are you calling?

BFH: For your…

JN: What does it have to do with you if you haven’t seen it and you’re not affected by it?

BFH: No, no no, I haven’t seen what you say is the reason you published the map. I’ve seen the map. I haven’t seen your stated reason. I don’t know where to go to read that. Why can’t you just state the reason now?

JN: One of the roles of journalists is to report publicly available information on timely issues, even if it is unpopular. We knew providing the information in the database in the context of our story would be controversial, but we thought that sharing the information about gun permits in our area was important in the aftermath of the Newtown shooting.

BFH: What is the import of that?

JN: We felt that it was important for people to know about that.

BFH: Know about what?

_long hesitation_

JN: The information that was imparted.

BFH: Well, what are people supposed to do with that information?

JN: It’s up to them.

BFH: So you’re putting that information out there as a public service and you don’t care what people do with that information?

JN: I have no comment and I’m not going to let you bait me…

BFH: no no no… wait, one last thing. I’ve made some phone calls to some of the people on the map, and 30% of the people were ex-detectives, judges and attorneys. (Full disclosure – I called 3 people and one was an ex-detective who was very upset. One other person I called did his own research and uncovered several attorneys, judges and members of law enforcement.) Do you care that you put this information out about people who spent a lifetime keeping certain information non-public?

JN: The information is legally available and public.

BFH: Ya, but what is legally available and what is right morally and ethically are two different things. Do you have any opinion on that?

JN: My opinion is not an issue here.

BFH: Is the Journal news going to continue with this style sheet, publishing FOIA information, are you going to put out anything other than gun permits, perhaps people who are HIV positive? That would be a “public service.”

JN: I have no idea..

BFH: Would that be a public service?

JN:.. I wouldn’t reveal our plans to you even if I did know.

BFH: Would that serve the public?

-long hesitation-

JN: I have no comment.

BFH: What about people who are gay? Would that serve the public?

-long hesitation-

JN: You know the answer to that.

BFH: No I don’t. I’m asking you, the Journal News is educating me.

JN: I have no comment for you. If you have a (unintelligible) to answer I’d be happy to answer it, otherwise I will say goodbye to you and have a good day. (His voice sounded like he wanted me to die a thousand deaths.)

BFH: hmmm… wow

JN: (click)

 

 

» 43 Comments

  1. MADJACK

    December 27th, 2012

    I hate to use this word, BUT liberals TAINT everything they do or touch! :mad:

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  2. Xavier

    December 27th, 2012

    Did he know who you were in relation to iOTW?

    Next, you need to publish all the advertisers so we can inform them of our boycott.

    Hell yeah bfh keep the pressure on these bastards.

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  3. Menderman

    December 27th, 2012

    Please tell me you got the guys name! I wanna post pics of his house on line “to report publicly available information on timely issues, even if it is unpopular”.

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  4. Callmelennie

    December 27th, 2012

    And speaking of “taint”, Madjack, I’d have to say BFH ripped a couple of new assholes in one liberal’s taint

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  5. BigFurHat

    December 27th, 2012

    I know this interview was not satisfying, but I post it to show that the JN has probably seen and heard it all (the counter arguments) and they just do not care.
    They feel that law-abiding gun permit owners are what’s wrong with society and they couldn’t care less if their published information leads to their death.

    I am going to call back a little later on and ask this guy if he thought about the possibility that they outed the address of a woman who was in hiding from a batterer, and if they care about that at all.

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  6. BigFurHat

    December 27th, 2012

    Regarding the JN’s insistence that this is “publicly available information” -

    A felon is not going to be able to obtain FOIA information of this nature. No way no how. They have that info NOW.

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  7. Diann

    December 27th, 2012

    You’re awesome!

    Say, how about we publish the names of all the people who got their constitutionally protected abortion? Think they’d be cool with that?

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  8. thirdtwin

    December 27th, 2012

    BFH, I called that guy and he told me that we need to quit harassing him so he can keep working on his big Benghazi expose`. Should I believe him?

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  9. grayscape

    December 27th, 2012

    Maybe the little fascist prick will publish where all the Jews live – just to make roundup time easier.

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  10. Xavier

    December 27th, 2012

    Here’s the original article. Can someone help me please? I can’t find the clearly stated motive for publication.

    http://www.lohud.com/interactive/article/20121223/NEWS01/121221011/Map-Where-gun-permits-your-neighborhood-

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  11. Xavier

    December 27th, 2012

    LOL grayscape your spell checker typed Jews instead of Christians!

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  12. Shiite from Shinola

    December 27th, 2012

    I could sure find useful a list of all the Democrats who have been convicted of a crime. And an address map to supplement that incredibly long list.

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  13. Moxie Man

    December 27th, 2012

    It was satisfying. You have ruffled his pink plume. Looking forward to more!

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  14. Xavier

    December 27th, 2012

    Well this does seem to set a precedent, doesn’t it? Perhaps it’s time for Conservatives to adopt a few Alinsky tactics and claim the same perverted “rights” that the libtards hide behind.

    The HIV positive question was very good. Let’s start with a map of that. Next week we can publish a map of Negros With Arrest Records. After that, Atheists With School Aged Children.

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  15. MNP

    December 27th, 2012

    Even if some ex-con uses this map to find and murder a Judge or Cop that put him away it will only support the left’s argument about guns.
    Our leaders and especialy lefties are not rational and clearly insane.

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  16. Pearl Clutcher

    December 27th, 2012

    BFH,
    Thank you for your hard work in exposing the liberal media’s hypocrisy with simple calm logic, this is now my official go to website (previously it was drudge). Thank you for being you and carrying the torch of Andrew Breitbart. I believe I discovered iowntheworld after his death hence the comparison. I thought when Andrew died so did the “warrior” mentality , with posts like this I see it did not.
    So again thank you.

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  17. BigFurHat

    December 27th, 2012

    MNP, what if the guy came to kill the judge and the judge bludgeoned him to death with a rolled up NY Times ( Sunday Edition)?

    Ohhhhhh . That’s my next post!

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  18. Dr. Tar

    December 27th, 2012

    @BFH I heard this on Tammy Bruce today. Apparrently a blogger thought it was in the public’s interest to create map of all the reporter’s and editors for this the Journal News. I see futher down he also provided contact information for their staff.

    http://www.newrochelletalk.com/content/map-where-are-journal-news-employees-your-neighborhood

    I think its in the public interest to call or e-mail these people at home and ask them about their editorial policies.

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  19. MNP

    December 27th, 2012

    BFH, Then there would be a ban on any magazine with more than 10 pages.

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  20. MNP

    December 27th, 2012

    Hey BFH, Do you think the guy named Edward Kenedy in Sleepy Hollow is the famous one?
    Just did some random clicking on that map in satelite view.

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  21. CrustyB

    December 27th, 2012

    I’d like to publish pictures of the Journal News’ editors’ children and the addresses of the schools they attend. It’s important that people know this and up to them what to do with that information!

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  22. really enraged

    December 27th, 2012

    Many many thanks Fur for doing this! Please keep hounding the bastards. I may call and suggest that they do a map of all the concealed carry permit holders here in our “shall issue” State of Montana. That ought to be really “spooky”. After all, lots of folks come out here to recreate. They deserve to know just how many troglodytic potential mass murders they may be facing…

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  23. Dr. Tar

    December 27th, 2012

    @BFH I see you already had a post for the website with the maps of the Journal News staff. That’s what I get for starting from the top reading post here and working my way down.

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  24. BigFurHat

    December 27th, 2012

    That’s okay. We value all information that comes through the portal, no matter when, where and why.
    There will be new readers that see you comment who would have never seen our post. So, it’s valuable.

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  25. Moe Tom

    December 27th, 2012

    BFH You’re going your best. These progtards at the urinal news, as you rightly called the fish wrap, live in a world of their own, far removed from reality. The fact that retired police, attorneys, judges, and other law enforcement people are now exposed in the area means nothing to them.
    Xavier got it right, boycott he advertisers. I’ll come up with a list.
    Also droping them a friendly note at their home addresses would be the Christian thing to do.

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  26. Joe

    December 27th, 2012

    Fur, could you possibly provide a map of all those who voted for Obama? Probably not, but the idea scintillates!

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  27. Goldenfoxx

    December 27th, 2012

    These journalists are really stoopid people. I believe that people hate the media more than people who hate gun owners. Heck, Obummer is the best gun salesman around. They should be going after Obummer and Feinstein who does own a gun and has a permit. The only reason they posted the map was to cause harm to people who are exercising their right to own a gun. Those gun owners have done nothing illegal. Whatever happens to these journalists will be the fault of their own. Good work BFH!

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  28. 120 specifically-named firearms

    December 27th, 2012

    The prompt posting of the JN staff map was a good and proper response to their posting of the names of legal law-abiding gun owners.
    I hope it made the hair on their pencil necks stand on end.
    What comes around …

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  29. Dagny

    December 27th, 2012

    Do you guys think we should attribute this kind of behavior by the News Journal’s editors to sheer stupidity, or is more about hostility?

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  30. RosalindJ

    December 27th, 2012

    xavier, I finally read through the entire article as well, and really could not find any thing clearly stated. The strongest sentiment implied was how they were such Brave and Intrepid examples of reportage by re-hashing the advice they were given NOT to do exactly what they did. So. I call bullshit on that.

    Thanks, Fur.

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  31. Noelegy

    December 27th, 2012

    “Taint” was a legitimate word before the slang meaning came around, and it still is.

    Sounds like they’re really standing behind their story. /sarc

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  32. Dagny

    December 27th, 2012

    @Moe

    “The fact that retired police, attorneys, judges, and other law enforcement people are now exposed in the area means nothing to them.”

    The other option is that they know very well this could lead the way for physical acts of violence; and they are doing it because they are nefarious.

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  33. Bad Brad

    December 27th, 2012

    Dagny:
    I’d say 20% agenda, 80% at taking a big swing at something that might drive revenue. Financially they have been is a world a hurt for a while. Hopefully everyone boycotts their advertisers like the plague. Stick the final knife in. Not a kitchen knife though.

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  34. MNP

    December 27th, 2012

    Bayonet.

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  35. Bad Brad

    December 27th, 2012

    If it’s attached to something that goes bang, that would be bad.

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  36. Boobie the Rocket Dog

    December 27th, 2012

    Blog turns tables on gun map paper

    http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/blog-turns-tables-on-gun-map-paper-85520.html?ml=la

    Amen, brother! I had to check http://itsbigfurhat.com/main/
    to see whether the blogger was our own fearless leader. It appears not, but I’m glad this guy took some action.

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  37. citizenjane

    December 27th, 2012

    Anyone know if these people could sue?

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  38. [...] he might have called the paper to demand an explanation like BigFurHat did… BFH: Does the Journal News stand by their decision to publish the names and addresses of gun permit [...]

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  39. FreeMan & Sarah Intend to Defend

    December 27th, 2012

    Nukes next on the blocks. this should be fun.

    Misquotes kill the more than guns and cars and heart disease, so we baned DDT.
    That will work for guns too. If we chop off everyone’s hand they will not be able to shoot.

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  40. Sard

    December 27th, 2012

    JN = Condescending little pr*cks. Way to make ‘em squirm. Nice job, BFH!

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  41. Frosteetoes

    December 27th, 2012

    That was awesome Fur!! Use an eastern European accent when you call them back. They might be more engaging.

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  42. theJadedBarrel

    December 28th, 2012

    Great investigative work BfH.

    However, I would like some more public service.
    Who our the CEO, President, VP, Board Members and PR personnel?
    Who are these advertisers that would support a “News” paper which infringes on the rights of “The People”.

    I demand my public service Now!
    Please excuse me, while I go off to make my protest signs.

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  43. MNHawk

    December 28th, 2012

    The best thing was already done with these asshats. Publication of all home address, photos, and phone numbers.

    As these newspaper types own President said, “If they bring a knife, we’ll bring a gun?”

    We brought a gun to this one. Never let up.

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