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  1. Milwaukee Mike

    December 25th, 2012

    Licking the candy canes while they are still on the tree can lead to a sticky situation

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  2. RANDO

    December 25th, 2012

     
  3. Dr. Tar

    December 25th, 2012

    Jack Klugman passed last night

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBIT_KLUGMAN?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-12-24-18-11-02

    I always loved Quincy M.E. We still use the line “This could be an epidemic” around the household. A very smart TV detective show that championed a number of issues.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXf4tV_aeDc

    You’ll be missed Jack

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  4. Dr. Tar

    December 25th, 2012

    So what do you think Mooseshelle serves her family on Christmas Day?

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2012/12/24/167960027/christmas-a-busy-season-for-tamale-makers

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  5. Brooke

    December 25th, 2012

    Merry Christmas, all!

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  6. historicus

    December 25th, 2012

    Merry Christmas to all at IOTW!

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  7. FreeMan & Sarah Intend to Defend

    December 25th, 2012

    Merry Christmas to all you rapscallion scallywag scoundrels, and the nice people too.

    And now a composition from our little critter on the tubular bells playing and singing Joy to the world. Take it away Mackenzie!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eLoKJI_QK8

    RIP Jack.

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  8. jclady

    December 25th, 2012

    Merry Christmas everyone!

    Hope today is a happy, joyous one and the crazy relatives don’t cause too much trouble.

    :)

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  9. Tim

    December 25th, 2012

    Merry Christmas, one and all!

    Yep … the trolls, too!

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  10. Anonymous

    December 25th, 2012

    Merry Christmas you ditzy, creepy, delusional, gun crazy, peasants.

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  11. bitterclinger

    December 25th, 2012

    Merry Christmas, folks. Hope everyone got what they wanted. Me, I’m not demanding. I just want Fur to reinstate my usual IP address. Haven’t been able to comment in weeks.

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  12. Jethro

    December 25th, 2012

    Merry Christmas to everyone here at IOTW!

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  13. Hawaiian

    December 25th, 2012

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  14. Orangatang Fist

    December 25th, 2012

    Merry Christmas my fellow owners.

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  15. RightWinger

    December 25th, 2012

    Merry Christmas to all the good people here at IOTW, the best blog site on the net!

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  16. Hanoverfist

    December 25th, 2012

    “, the best blog site on the net!”

    Well it IS populated with US ya know.
    ;-)

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  17. norman einstein

    December 25th, 2012

    Very best Christmas wishes to the entire gang here at IOTW.
    I hope it’s a day of love, family and peace for all.
    …in keeping with the situation.

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  18. Serious Putty

    December 25th, 2012

    Hope you got some sleep, FreeMan.
    Merry Christmas, everyone!

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  19. Snowball the Sourpuss

    December 25th, 2012

    Merry Christmas to all the gang here at iOTW!!

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  20. Unruly Refugee

    December 25th, 2012

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  21. bubba

    December 25th, 2012

    bubba wishes everyone a merry Christmas.

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  22. Diann

    December 25th, 2012

    When I was eleven, my brother and I got these gigantic candy canes in our stockings. On Christmas night, as we watched Alistair Sim’s “A Christmas Carol” on our local PBS station, I sat on our sectional sofa sucking away at my gigantic candy cane. I was so engrossed in the movie, I didn’t realize I had managed to suck that thing into one sharp-ass weapon. I sliced my tongue from back to front clean down the center. I bled for hours and hours.

    I haven’t had a candy cane since.

    Ah, those holiday stories.

    MERRY CHRISTMAS!

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  23. Dan Ryan Galt

    December 25th, 2012

    Merry Christmas to all you wonderful IOTWers! These are oldies, but still funny.

    Christmas Carols for the Dysfunctional

    Schizophrenia — Do You Hear what I Hear?

    Multiple Personality Disorder — We Three Queens disoriented Are

    Amnesia — I Don’t Know if I’ll be Home for Christmas

    Narcissistic — Hark the Herald Angels Sing About Me

    Manic — Deck the Halls and Walls and House and Lawn and streets and Stores and Office and Town and Cars and Buses and Trucks and trees and Fire Hydrants and …

    Paranoid — Santa Claus is Coming to Get Me

    Borderline Personality Disorder — Thoughts of Roasting on an open Fire

    Personality Disorder — You Better Watch Out, I’m Gonna cry, I’m Gonna Pout, Maybe I’ll tell You Why

    Obsessive Compulsive disorder —Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells =.

    Agoraphobia — I Heard the Bells on Christmas Day But Wouldn’t Leave My House

    Autistic — Jingle Bell Rock and Rock and Rock and rock .

    Senile Dementia — Walking in a Winter Wonderland Miles From my House in My Slippers and Robe

    Oppositional Defiant Disorder =– I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus So I Burned Down the House

    Social anxiety Disorder — Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas While I Sit Here and Hyperventilate

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  24. RANDO

    December 25th, 2012

    Unruly Refugee– Thanks for the link to Eva Cassidy, what a voice!

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  25. Unruly Refugee

    December 25th, 2012

    RANDO, you’re welcome. She got missed in the music world because cancer took her before she got a record contract. Love her voice to tears sometimes.

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  26. Moxie Man

    December 25th, 2012

    Merry Christmas to everybody here at iOTW.

    Thanks to BigFurBeard (and the rest of you), we get to open a whole bunch of new presents every morning.

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  27. Kairn

    December 25th, 2012

    @Unruly,
    Thank you for the link of Eva Cassidy. That was beautiful.

    Merry Christmas to all.
    Happy New Year.

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  28. Geoff C. The Saltine

    December 25th, 2012

    Merry Christmas to all the wonderful people here at IOTW, You all make the days more bearable in these distressing times.

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  29. Boobie the Christmas Dog

    December 25th, 2012

    ******MERRY CHRISTMAS to all iOTWers******

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  30. Dagny

    December 25th, 2012

    I’m at the stage of eating Bocconcinis with cherry jam.
    Sticky indeed.

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  31. Dagny

    December 25th, 2012

    The Mass at the Basilic was so ravishing, we are going again at 17h00!!

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  32. Jack Daniels

    December 25th, 2012

    To everyone here at iOTW, except the trolls (sorry Tim, I am not able to be gracious this year to the people who want to see our demise)

    Merry Christmas!

    May the peace of Christ and the joy of the Holy Spirit rest on each one of you and you loved ones.

    I will try to be less negative and fatalistic next year, now that I am leaving Cubec and moving to Tokyo for a couple of years.

    God willing, soon I will finally be in Alberta and FREE!!

    Anyone get a weapon for Christmas???

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  33. Stranded in Sonoma

    December 25th, 2012

    Merry Christmas to all and a happy, safe, and prosperous New Year.

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  34. Frosteetoes

    December 25th, 2012

    Merry Christmas everyone!!

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  35. Houston

    December 25th, 2012

    Merry Christmas to BFH and the gang here. I hope everyone is having a great holiday. I’m sitting on my couch just outside Dallas watching snow fall on Christmas while petting my puppy and listening to my kids play.

    I’m about as content as I can be.

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  36. Tim

    December 25th, 2012

    Jack,

    No weapon, but my son sent me a scope and mounting kit for my SKS.

    Close enough?

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  37. Jack Daniels

    December 25th, 2012

    Tim,

    SWEET!!! close enough.

    I’m still waiting for my Desert Eagle…no one’s buying…too damn expensive here!!

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  38. IronyCurtain

    December 25th, 2012

    A very Merry Christmas to all of you! Know that you are among the finest, funniest commenters anywhere. You are what makes this crazy site so damn special.

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  39. Dagny

    December 25th, 2012

    A merry Christmas!

    And to all that feel sorrow, loneliness, or even hunger, cold, please know you’re not alone. Our Lord is born today, and he loves you. I love you too.

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  40. Dagny

    December 25th, 2012

    On the liberal blog I’ve been trolling (in good faith however, in full sincerity) I noticed that no one wishes Merry Christmas to others.

    Why, I wonder? I’ve wished it to a few I’ve discussed with, and none wished it back to be.

    I wonder if they’ll wish Happy New Year to each others.

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  41. Illustr8r

    December 25th, 2012

    Meet ya under the mistletoe! Merry Christmas iOTWers!!! :)

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  42. LadyGun12

    December 25th, 2012

    Merry Christmas, my friends!

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  43. mkultra

    December 25th, 2012

    Merry Christmas, everyone. I hope you’re all having a wonderful holiday.

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  44. Nutjob

    December 25th, 2012

    Merry Christmas to all!

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  45. Corona

    December 25th, 2012

    Und to allus a gut nacht! Hope y’all had a fun safe Christmas!

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  46. Aunt Liz

    December 25th, 2012

    Wait! Not good night just yet! Lemme get a very Merry Christmas in here as well. Thanks to all at IOTW. You ALL have done a great deal to amuse, entertain, and inform. Thanks very much!!!

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  47. norman einstein

    December 25th, 2012

    @Illustr8r, that’s a date! But please lose the hat.
    ;)

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  48. Kairn

    December 25th, 2012

    Just make sure that mistletoe you two pucker up under isn’t disguised as BigFur’s giant toe-tipped missile.

    Unless of course norman e. has hopes to fly Illustr8r to the moon! Which direction should I be looking at for lift off?

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  49. 99th Squad Leader

    December 25th, 2012

    Merry Christmas and God Bless everyone!

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  50. Houston

    December 25th, 2012

    BTW, not only did I get a white Christmas in Texas, I also got a .357. :)

    Yet another reason to be content this holiday.

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  51. MaryfromMarin

    December 25th, 2012

    @Dan Ryan Galt–

    “Christmas Carols for the Dysfunctional”

    Those were great! I forwarded that to every therapist I know.
    ————

    Merry Christmas to all my iOTW friends! When the world gets crazy, I check in here for balance, perspective, and encouragement. Am never disappointed, thanks to you all.

    God bless you and your families!

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  52. Dagny

    December 25th, 2012

    Mary, you must know that: did Job live after or before Abraham?
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    Dagny, I know you didn’t ask me, but most of my professors in Religion believe he lived before Abraham. Mary probably has more info. My religion classes were in the early 70s. – c

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  53. conservative cowgirl

    December 25th, 2012

    We just got our internet back! Merry Christmas eveyone!

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  54. Doc

    December 25th, 2012

    Merry Christmas my friends, and thanks for being the characters that you are. Personality, that’s what separates us from the liberal sites! That and opposable thumbs!

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  55. MaryfromMarin

    December 25th, 2012

    @Dagny–

    The answer partly depends on whether you are a follower of Bultmann or Machen.

    What brought this question to your mind on Christmas Day, of all days?

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  56. Dagny

    December 25th, 2012

    Thanks Mary.

    I was talking with a cousin of mine about the history of salvation, — from Abraham to the glorious birth of Our Lord, — after the 17h00 Mass of Nativity.

    I’ve been reading a lot of rabinnical literature lately, and tomorrow, we’ll go give some gifts to a lovely familiy of orthodox Jews living nearby. I like them a lot; the woman is very knowledgble, as his her husband, a rabbi. I want to ask them a few questions about the evolution of satan and various demons in their worldview.

    I just realised, talking with my cousin, that my theory would be reduced to nihil if Job had lived after Abraham, however. I don’t want the woman to laugh of my ignorance; she makes me feel quite shy!!

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  57. MaryfromMarin

    December 25th, 2012

    @Dagny–

    Why do you think your theory would be reduced to nil if Job had lived after Abraham? How would that impact your questions about the “evolution” of Satan, etc?

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  58. MaryfromMarin

    December 26th, 2012

    @Dagny–

    Just got back to this, following a very late Christmas dinner. As you have not answered my questions, perhaps you are on the East Coast, and have long ago gone to bed.

    Anyway, for lack of time to discuss this, I would suggest that you just ask questions and listen to their answers. I can’t imagine why they would laugh at you, if you are being sincere in your asking. They will probably be glad to talk with you about anything and everything theological.

    I’m not familiar with the Orthodox Jewish view of Job, Satan, and demons; you’ll probably end up knowing more than me by the end of your visit. (And now I am prompted to go off and do some research on my own, as always happens with these discussions.)

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  59. Dagny

    December 26th, 2012

    Many thanks c!!

    – Mary,

    In the prologue of the Book of Job, Satan appears together with other “sons of God,” before the LORD; he seemed then to be a “good” guy, absolutely obedient to the LORD. Satan for instance replied to the inquiry of God as to whence he had come, with the words: “From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.”

    Satan was still a member of the divine council who watches over human activity, but with the purpose of searching out men’s sins and accusing them; he had not yet declared war to the LORD; he still seemed to have no power of independent action; he asked permissions of God; he could not not be regarded, yet, as an opponent of the LORD. Satan obeyed when an “angel of the LORD,” bid him to be silent.

    My theory is that he fell right after God made his Covenant with what will be known as the Chosen People, the people of Israel, by declaring WAR against GOD right then.

    That’s why, had Job lives after Abraham, that theory of mine could not stand.

    From mere accuser of men, Satan became an enemy of Israel; he declared war on the chosen people; and by proxy on the whole humanity, the rest of which Christ saved later on.

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  60. Team America

    December 26th, 2012

    I hope you all had a wonderful Christmas. Best wishes for 2013.

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  61. RosalindJ

    December 26th, 2012

    So I was busy with family and driving intrastate and had not a thing to do with a computer and missed the ‘official thread’.

    Merry Christmas all.

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  62. MNP

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  63. MaryfromMarin

    December 26th, 2012

    @Dagny–

    This thread has fallen far, far down the list, so I have no idea if you will see this post from me.

    And in any case, it would take a mini-treatise to respond. I would take issue with these at least:

    (1) Satan appears with the sons of God/the “Divine Council”, but it is unclear in the wording if he is actually “one of them”–my interpretation is that he is not.

    (2) your saying that Satan seems to be a “good guy” & absolutely obedient in the book of Job; I do not see where you get that interpretation

    (3) “going to and fro in the earth…” is emotion-neutral, so I wouldn’t take that comment of his to automatically mean he was being obedient to God

    (4) “He had not yet declared war on the Lord”–again, I do not see where you get that interpretation. He might have, or might not have. I believe that he already had, at this time.

    (4) I do not see Satan “asking permission” of God to do anything, which would suggest a deferential position. God ALLOWS him to act upon Job. That is completely consistent with the understanding that, no matter when Satan declared himself an enemy of God, he ultimately has lesser power. His only influence is over human beings, not over God himself.

    (5) you said, “Satan obeyed when an ‘angel of the LORD,’ bid him to be silent.” Where is this in the book of Job? I do not find such a reference.

    (6) You also said, “My theory is that he fell right after God made his Covenant with what will be known as the Chosen People, the people of Israel, by declaring WAR against GOD right then.”
    Upon what do you base this theory? Most traditional theologians place the fall of Satan shortly after the 7th day of creation, certainly long, long before God’s covenant with Abraham.

    Aside from all this, how did your visit go?

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  64. Dagny

    December 26th, 2012

    Hi Mary,

    Before I reply more extensively, there:

    Zechariah 3:1
    King James Version (KJV)
    3 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
    Zechariah 3:2
    King James Version (KJV)
    2 And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?

    As per a rabbinical interpretation read here:

    http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/13219-satan

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  65. MaryfromMarin

    December 26th, 2012

    @Dagny–

    Quick response–as that reference is not in the Book of Job, it can’t be DIRECTLY applied to interpreting the Book of Job.

    At the very least, for a general understanding of Satan, there is the difficulty of chronology: which came first–Job or Zechariah? I think you can see the problem. The first might influence the second, but the later can’t influence the earlier.

    I will check out your reference, but as I am not a student of rabbinical theology, I will be mostly at sea. Rabbinical and Christian interpretations of Scripture sometimes overlap, but there will be a lot of differences, obviously.

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  66. Dagny

    December 26th, 2012

    Mary, Let me thank you for the feedback.

    I am trying to understand why allah/satan hates the Jewish People so much; and trying to understand the key-role of Jerusalam in the WAR. Now the war is raging towards Damascus; after, the prime target will be Jerusalem; that’s what various Salafi-jihadis groups, al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood are ALL saying.

    If I’m not mistaken, Mount Moriah (aka Zion) was where Abram became Abraham; where the Covenant was sealed. And it was there that, later, after Kind David reconquered Canaan (Israel) and rebooted the Chosen People from a tribal form of life into a kingdom, a royal form of life, a Temple was built. His son Solomon built The Temple on the spot where Abraham accepted the Covenant, a Temple representing the Garden of Eden, and containing the Holy of Holies, into which was placed the Ark of The Covenant built under Moses, with the broken Tables of the Law.

    I assume that satan was totally pissed off by the Abrahamic Covenant; the rabbinical literature says he was also burning with rage when the Jewish People received the Ten Commandments.

    I’m thinking there might be a devolution; I don’t know; I’m speculating. But he certainly created islam; and I’m feeling very strongly that it is in reaction to The Incarnation of Our lord.

    The second caliph (Umar) raided Canaan, and built the Temple of the Rock over the Temple of Solomon. The Dome was completed in 692. The caliph also built the al-Aqsa mosque, on the southern side of the Mount, facing Mecca.

    All this is clearly the work of satan.

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  67. Dagny

    December 26th, 2012

    It does not matter if Job and Zec were not contemporaneous; as long as there is this participation of satan among the Council of the ‘sons of god’. As long as this participation occured before the Abrahamic Covenant.

    It looks as if at one point satan stopped from participating within this angelic Council, and was not anymore obeying to the Angels of the Lord, and was waging full-spectrum war, acting autonomously no matter what.

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  68. Dagny

    December 26th, 2012

    I was quoting Job and Zeck as instances looks like he was still acting obediently, without being a full-fledge enemy of the Lord.

    (1) Satan appears with the sons of God/the “Divine Council”, but it is unclear in the wording if he is actually “one of them”–my interpretation is that he is not.

    I understand.

    (2) your saying that Satan seems to be a “good guy” & absolutely obedient in the book of Job; I do not see where you get that interpretation

    I get it from the fact that in both Job and Zek Satan asks permission before proceeding.


    (3) “going to and fro in the earth…” is emotion-neutral, so I wouldn’t take that comment of his to automatically mean he was being obedient to God

    You’re right; I was using it t set the stage of the divine Council.


    (4) “He had not yet declared war on the Lord”–again, I do not see where you get that interpretation. He might have, or might not have. I believe that he already had, at this time.

    It looks as if he was (in job and Zeck) still a mere accuser; not an enemy of god; he pleaded with Him and the Angels; and he was still very obedient.

    (4) I do not see Satan “asking permission” of God to do anything, which would suggest a deferential position. God ALLOWS him to act upon Job. That is completely consistent with the understanding that, no matter when Satan declared himself an enemy of God, he ultimately has lesser power. His only influence is over human beings, not over God himself.

    Yes, I understand; but with islam it looks like he did it on its own; whereas with Job, he had to receive permission from God before torturing Job. Do you think he asked the permission to invent islam?
    (6) You also said, “My theory is that he fell right after God made his Covenant with what will be known as the Chosen People, the people of Israel, by declaring WAR against GOD right then.”
    Upon what do you base this theory? Most traditional theologians place the fall of Satan shortly after the 7th day of creation, certainly long, long before God’s covenant with Abraham.

    I understand; there was also the snake in the Garden. Could there be different stages?

    OK, he fell very early on, “shortly after the 7th day.” Then he acted as a prosecutor; then he declared war against Israel. Then he declared war against Christ. He lost. He took a desperate revenge with islam.

    Makes sense?

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  69. Dagny

    December 26th, 2012

    The rabbinic family was not there when it suited us; we’ll try our luck tomorrow.

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  70. MNP

    December 26th, 2012

    Dagny, Satan does not ask permission, he states his opinion that Job would not be God fearing if not for his health and wealth.
    In both instances God says go ahead and test Job, he will stay true.

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  71. MaryfromMarin

    December 26th, 2012

    @Dagny–

    I was just going to post a reply to the “permission” business, but MNP said exactly what I was going to say.

    It has always seemed more to me like Satan is taunting God at this point: “Job’s not so great. Take away what he has, and he won’t be such a paragon any more.” And the rest of the book is proof that God’s original claim about Job is true.

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  72. MaryfromMarin

    December 26th, 2012

    @Dagny–

    You have so many posts that it’s difficult to address all your points–sorry. And there are several large issues blended together.

    It does seem to me that whatever God loves, Satan hates. And whatever God sets apart as special, Satan especially hates. God set apart the Israelites as His chosen people, so of course Satan would burn with hatred toward them, eternally.

    And obviously Satan would hate Jesus, God’s Son. Those who are followers of Christ experience that hatred too.

    Your point about Islam being satanically inspired? No arguments from me there.

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  73. Dagny

    December 26th, 2012

    “Dagny, Satan does not ask permission, he states his opinion that Job would not be God fearing if not for his health and wealth.
    In both instances God says go ahead and test Job, he will stay true.”

    Thank you so much, both of you.

    I understand, but I feel there is a change in his attitude.

    He never appears among the ‘sons of God’ after the Covenant.

    What I take from your helpful inputs is this: my hypothesis is very shaky; not eloquent and convincing at all. I will have to get way more material in order to ‘prove’ that Satan did ask permission at one point; and then stopped doing it — IF that’s indeed the case; I don’t know now.

    But that’s my working hypothesis. Maybe it’s wrong; I have work to do in order to find this out. Many thanks guys.

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  74. MNP

    December 26th, 2012

    Dagny, Don’t get too bogged down with the trees of the old testament. Focus on the forest of the new testament. The new covenant.
    Get a Red letter edition of the NKJV and read the red letters only for a while.
    Pray for your fellow man and for wisdom.
    Then go back to studying the old testament.
    Keep the faith Dagny and God bless.

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  75. Dagny

    December 26th, 2012

    “In both instances God says go ahead and test Job, he will stay true.””

    The fact that Satan needed the go ahead of God seems to imply that satan still was obedient at that point (before the Covenant); obedient, not only impotent.

    Otherwise, he could have just tried anyway and failed; but no, he WAITED for God’s go-ahead. My hypothesis is that at one point he just did not care about God’s go-ahead.

    That’s the difference between before and after the Covenant, as per Satan — methinks.

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  76. Dagny

    December 26th, 2012

    Thank you MNP! God bless you to.

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  77. Dagny

    December 26th, 2012

    This problematics obsess me because so many christians hate the Jewish People; don’t undertand that we must protect them from islam. That’s why I’m working on this; to build brigdes between the Jewish people and Christians.

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  78. Dagny

    December 26th, 2012

    “Get a Red letter edition of the NKJV and read the red letters only for a while.
    Pray for your fellow man and for wisdom.”

    Hmmmm. I’ll have to think about it, before promising anything; but I love programs. Hmmmm.

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  79. MNP

    December 26th, 2012

    God will protect them.
    Many Christians hate Jews because they believe that the Jews killed Jesus.
    If you are concerned for the Jews read the prophets.
    God is going to bring all of their enemies against them in the end.

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  80. Dagny

    December 27th, 2012

    So I shall not work on this? I shall laisser-faire? That could be hard; I dunno; something urges me to do it. I’m confused now.

    I’ll probably do as you suggested: “Get a Red letter edition of the NKJV and read the red letters only for a while.
    Pray for your fellow man and for wisdom.” And then I might know better.

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  81. MaryfromMarin

    December 27th, 2012

    If Christians and Jews do not stand together, we will all fall to Islam. You’d think that would be a powerful enough reason to leave off the hatred.

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  82. MNP

    December 27th, 2012

    No hatred here MfM.

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  83. Xavier

    December 27th, 2012

    Dagney I don’t know a lot about religion but if you know Christians who hate Jews, they’re not Christians. At least not my type of Christian. Surround yourself with those you want to emulate.

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  84. Dagny

    December 27th, 2012

    I do already have a good Bible, not the NKJV edition, but one with both the latin text of Jerome and the translation.

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  85. MNP

    December 27th, 2012

    Right on Xavier.

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  86. MaryfromMarin

    December 27th, 2012

    @MNP & @Xavier–

    Agree. But there is a lot of confused thinking floating around, and it is used against true Christianity by those who would sow strife. Somewhat similar to the “blood libel” stuff, in a lesser way.

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  87. Dagny

    December 27th, 2012

    Xavier, I know what you mean, but it’s possible to build bridges between Christians (even stupid one, in the grisp of a satanic hatred) and Jewish people; it’s in the order of things. I believe the power of the Verb, of Reason, can neutralize that hatred and build a bridge among many. It would be impossible however to build bridges betweens muzzies and Jews; that would be a lie.

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  88. Dagny

    December 27th, 2012

    But in the spirit of spreading the gospel in our time of WAR, could it not be a good work to use the power of Reason to build bridge between ‘anti-semitic’ Christians and Jews? Like using the evil of islam to reveal the strong, natural solidarity among Jewish People and Christians — in the way a weak guy can use the force of his adversary against him?

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  89. Menderman

    December 27th, 2012

    Jesus was a Jew. Jesus loves the jewish people. I stand with Jesus.

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  90. MNP

    December 27th, 2012

    On the contrary Dagny. I have turned at least 5 muslims to the truth. Who knows how far they have gone with the word.
    Here is a former muzzie who knows the truth, not because of me though, can’t take credit for this one.
    http://www.alrassooli.org/

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  91. Dagny

    December 27th, 2012

    it’s pretty amazing how islam reveals the true solidarity between the Jewish People and Christians; that’s a ‘good’ side of islam, if I may say so; I want to use it – the intensification of islam in this world — in order to solidify the link between the people of the Old Covenant and the people of the New Covenant; they are not incompatible; they are genealogically linked; whereas islam is alien.

    Somehow islam — this alien, satanic force — could very well feed (retroactively) a stronger solidarity among Jews and Christians.

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  92. Kairn

    December 27th, 2012

    Jesus was born a Jew. He lived a life as a practicing Jew. He died on the cross a Jew.

    Anyone who says they are a Christian but tells you they dislike or hate Jews is a liar. I have no respect for this type of phony Christian. Blaming Jews for the death of Jesus is just a convenient excuse for the continuation of persecuting the Jewish people.

    For even Jesus himself while dying on the cross, asked God to forgive them for they know not what they do. I believe that statement included the Jews as well as the Romans who were personally involved in his crucifixion.

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  93. Dagny

    December 27th, 2012

    @MNP — I fully agree. It ain’t contrary to what I tried to say, however. One can turn a muslim into a christian; but one can not build a bridge between islam and the Jewish people; islam is hostile to the Jews; and the Jews should exterminate islam in order to survive. The Christians could turn muslims into Christians; yes, i’m all for it; never said anything against it.

    I was speaking about islamjewish; not islam->christianity.

    Could a muzzie turn into a Jew? Well, I guess. But I’ve never contemplated the possibility, lol.

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  94. Dagny

    December 27th, 2012

    Yes, Kairn, well put. But it could could quite ‘easy’ to turn a lying, ‘lost’ Christian into a friend of the Jewish People; he would then be closer to Christ. That’s my whole point.

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  95. Dagny

    December 27th, 2012

    @MNP Whalid Shoebat is a great example also.
    http://shoebat.com/

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  96. MNP

    December 27th, 2012

    God’s going to exterminate Islam.
    He is the only one who can get them all.

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  97. MNP

    December 27th, 2012

    Shoebat’s good too. Former terrorist turned to Christ.

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  98. Dagny

    December 27th, 2012

    “God’s going to exterminate Islam.
    He is the only one who can get them all.”

    Should I not try to become His tool in that mission?

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  99. MNP

    December 27th, 2012

    I did’nt mean give up.
    Just know that God has said how it’s going to go down. And He said it a long time ago.
    It’s all there to be seen.

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  100. Kairn

    December 27th, 2012

    @Dagny
    Forgive me for seeming pedantic, but no one turns anyone into anything. When a human decides to become a muslim, a Christian, a Jew, a Buddhist, a Hindu, an atheist, or a plain old pagan, etc. it is due to free will.

    If anyone becomes any of these things through coercion or threat of death, they are using their free will to acquiesce to the threatening bully’s wishes in order to spare their earthly life or they die with their free will intact by not being bullied into accepting a thing their heart and soul does not desire.

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  101. Dagny

    December 27th, 2012

    Satan lost the war against God; but now the battles on this earth put in play millions of souls, which satan wants to capture for eternity.

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  102. Dagny

    December 27th, 2012

    Amen Kairn. I meant ‘turning’ by using Reason; of course, God’s charity does the ‘turning,’ not the sword nor me. I shall use another verb than ‘turning’ to avoid a sensation of vertigo!

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  103. MNP

    December 27th, 2012

    Dagny, Jesus does the saving, not us.
    God bless and good night.

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  104. Dagny

    December 27th, 2012

    yes, but some humans need to fight the Crusade, and mobilize christians to solidarize with the Jews, and try to preserve JERUSALEM.

    Covenant: in Jerusalem
    Temple of Solomon: in Jerusalem

    Rabbis think that Noah was buried in the same place where Abraham made the Covenant, where the Temple was built; they say Abel and Melchizedek buried him there.

    It’s the center of the world, this eartly world.

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  105. Kairn

    December 27th, 2012

    @Dagny
    You can lead a person to the Tree of Life (Jesus) but you can’t ‘make’ them drink or eat of the beautiful sustenance Jesus offers all of mankind.

    Show by example in the most humble of ways how much Jesus has done for your life. Both interior and exterior. It is difficult to explain, but even in your humility towards reflecting outwardly what Jesus expects of you, you will appear strong and self confident to others. Some will truly be curious. They will then be ready to listen to what you have to say regarding the gift they will receive when they accept Christ as their Savior.

    For those who insist on being un curious, let them be. Simply move on.

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  106. Dagny

    December 27th, 2012

    I’m always talking from the perspective of Crusade here, where christians need to solidarize and to help the Jewish People: to destroy the temple of the Rock, to exterminate islam; and to reactualize the celebration of judaism holiest place, on earth. Or something akin.

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  107. Dagny

    December 27th, 2012

    Kairn,

    Sorry to ask so many questions, but I can’t resist:

    Could our attitude change in peacetime from wartime?

    Now we are in war time; and the attitude you are describing is godly, but is it adequate for wartime?

    Should we not MOBILIZE?

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  108. Dagny

    December 27th, 2012

    the main premise, as I’ve said, is : the armies of allah are CONVERGING RIGHT NOW towards Damascus. The sole obstacle is the Assad régime. Once Assad is down (he will be, it’s only a matter of time; Obama, al-Qaeda, Muslim Brotherhood; Turkey are ALL against Assad), the armies of allah will raid JERUSALEM.

    Should we not mobilize? Trying urgently to mobilize those antisemitic Christians easily convertible with the use of Reason to becoming friend of the Jews….

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  109. grayscape

    December 27th, 2012

    Joseph’s brothers didn’t recognize him until he revealed himself. He never condemned them either but forgave them. Joseph said it was all for a higher purpose.

    Joseph is a type of Messiah.

    The role of Christians is to love and defend Jews. Let the Messiah do the rest.

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  110. Dagny

    December 27th, 2012

    Thank you, MNP. Gratzie!

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  111. Kairn

    December 27th, 2012

    In wartime I don’t believe I would be concerned with proselytizing unless it is with an unbeliever who is beginning to believe while we are fighting for our lives in a foxhole. Only then would I help them to understand if they ask me.

    We will mobilize when it is truly time to mobilize by the will of God. Be still right now Dagny. Be still and listen for God. Help others be still and to listen for what God expects of us. We all need to put a huge effort forth to turn straight on towards God, our society needs to humble itself right now before God. When we are strong in The Lord, He will work to weaken our enemies.

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  112. Dagny

    December 27th, 2012

    Yes, sir. Thank you. I’ll be still for the rest of the night.

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  113. Kairn

    December 27th, 2012

    @Dagny,
    I meant that ‘be still’ in the kindest sense. I meant be still in your heart and soul right now. I know how frustrating all this stuff going on in the world is right now. It does seem like major offensive actions should be taken, but America is not right with God right now. Yes, the war is coming. But America needs to be more prepared in our spirits and in our morality and our humbleness towards God before we will be allowed to win any conflict against evil forces.

    It is Christianity itself that needs to mobilize in America right now. American Christians need to collectively scare the living crap out of the libturds who have usurped the American narrative with a ferociousness they have never dreamed possible. Fight that evil first and win.Then the evil forces outside of America can be fought and beaten back to hell where they belong.

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  114. Dagny

    December 27th, 2012

    @Kairn Yes sir !!

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    December 29th, 2012

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