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So if we did hit ou nadir, then it’s all uphill to our zenith from now on? Maybe we did hit our zenith some decades ago, and we are going down to our nadir. But the worst is still ahead… We’ve seen nothing yet.

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probably made by some sick geeky abortion “doctor”.

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Dagny,

Nadirs are made to be broken, apparently.
But, yes, we hit our Zenith a long, long time ago.

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My answer won’t pass the spam filter, so I’ll post in sepate section:

“But, yes, we hit our Zenith a long, long time ago.”

Maybe the ‘we’ ain’t as clear as you think.

As you know, Nietzsche created a character, the ‘Madman’, who ran around his village shouting ‘God is dead’:

The insane man jumped into their midst and transfixed them with his glances. “Where is God gone?” he called out.

“I mean to tell you! We have killed him, you and I! We are all his murderers! But how have we done it? How were we able to drink up the sea? Who gave us the sponge to wipe away the whole horizon? What did we do when we loosened this earth from its sun? Whither does it now move? Whither do we move? Away from all suns? Do we not dash on unceasingly? Backwards, sideways, forwards, in all directions? Is there still an above and below? Do we not stray, as through infinite nothingness? Does not empty space breathe upon us? Has it not become colder? Does not night come on continually, darker and darker? Shall we not have to light lanterns in the morning? Do we not hear the noise of the grave-diggers who are burying God? Do we not smell the divine putrefaction? – for even Gods putrefy! God is dead! God remains dead! And we have killed him! How shall we console ourselves, the most murderous of all murderers? The holiest and the mightiest that the world has hitherto possessed, has bled to death under our knife – who will wipe the blood from us? With what water could we cleanse ourselves? What lustrums, what sacred games shall we have to devise? Is not the magnitude of this deed too great for us? Shall we not ourselves have to become Gods, merely to seem worthy of it? There never was a greater event – and on account of it, all who are born after us belong to a higher history than any history hitherto!”

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Recently, Michel Foucault also noted the Death of Man — ‘man’ being understood here from the perspective of human sciences, namely: biology, linguistics and political economy.

Cybernetics and molecular biology (DNA) destroys the ‘human’ paradigm of the organism. Now silicium and microships and wifi are incorporating our own biological organism: we are becoming cyborgs, cybernetic organisms.

Language is being completely transformed by digital codes (Os and 1s), deactivating a mechanism that was analoguous in nature since Babel, at least (lol).

And political economy, well, you know what is happening, with the death of capitalism.

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My point is this: maybe Mankind is dying, like God did. And we are now witnessing the context in which a new form of life will arise, and its zenith could very well galaxies away from here and now; we don’t know.

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A new form of life at the junktion of Man, God and Ma.chi.nes.

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Well I picked the wrong day to get out of bed.

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BFH is so scared of ma.chi.nes that he banned the word!

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@MJA
I’m feeling the same way. I must not have slept good last night because I’m having difficulties trying to understand what kind of a tear Dagny is on about.

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All this talk of Nadirs and Zeniths is silly. We are players in this drama and cannot perceive the whole.

Each generation of humanity thinks of itself as the highest form of the species – the “Crown of Creation” alluded to in the old Jefferson Airplane song. But, despite all of the Techno-Crap, we’re still just a hair above the apes, stumbling along our paths, into an unknown, and unknowable future.

Plan for the worst, pray for the best – and along comes some “drug-addled sodomite imbecile” who gets himself elected (by fraud) and fucks everything up.

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@Kairn

What defines Man? Typically it was: biology (man defined by its organism: hands intead of claws, etc), linguistics (animals don’t speak; man does) and political economy (man as a trading animal, accumulating wealth and so on and so forth; animals don’t trade nor accumulate wealth).

But now all those humanistic forces are upset by other forces that are destroying this very paradigm of Man. The biology of the organism is deactivated by the discovery and the use of DNA; linguistics is nullified by ma.chi.nic, binary, coding languages (and now ma.chi.nes are reproducting themselves and learning by themselves, and giving the apparence of autonomy and animation); and political economy is deactivated by a rampant, state-control socialism.

Those new, non-human forces seem to detroy Man in a manner not unlike those previous forces that destroyed God (God understood in the sense of a form of life, as in the episode of the Madman quoted above; God as part of society, politics and so on). God has been cast away (see the Ten Commandments being thrown away; prayers ending in schools, etc), and so is the form of Man. Yet I don’t think we are becoming pure savages, animals. Other forces are in play, and those forces are not animal nor human nor godly, namely: cybernetics, DNA biology, artifical uterus, spacecrafts, binary languages, silicium (instead of the carbon of the organism), etc.

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I prefer the Pendulum comparison.

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“Plan for the worst, pray for the best – and along comes some “drug-addled sodomite imbecile” who gets himself elected (by fraud) and fucks everything up.”

You are just scape-goating here. While there are indeed socialist, nefarious, satanic people and their useful idiots, there are also non-human forces at work that are very hostile to Man as we have known it since centuries.

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I knew it was over when I could no longer laugh at this video. The Poop Socks sealed the deal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nonVj7odbmU

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” there are also non-human forces at work that are very hostile to Man as we have known it since centuries.”

I don’t like cats either.

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All the psychotropic drugs could also be seen as hostile, non-human forces. More ma.chi.nic than human. They basically deactivate a lot of the human affective life.

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LOL!!
Wait ’til they learn to accumulate wealth and coordinate with each others.

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Imma give Brad a TU for that even though I’m owned by a cat.

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Wake me up when they turn it into a reality show. Oh, I forgot, they already did.

Continue to surround yourselves with like-minded people, and blatantly uphold our traditional values and principles. If we go down, we’ll go down with integrity.

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Of course Man has been defined as the image of God as well. But that does not apply in a political system where God Himself has been banned.

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Xavier, I have three of them running around here. A couple are allowed inside. But I just got a new Lab pup. The cats are freaked and conspiring against the mutt. It’s been escalating over the last couple days. So I feel obligated to side with the out numbered.

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Dagny, if someone gave you some brownies at the office party, stop eating them buddy, It’s for your own good.

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Not ‘scape-goating’ in the least. I know that evil walks the Earth. Obama and socialism are simply two of the tools used by Mephistopheles – hence their insidiousness.

We (humanity) have turned our backs on God and will surely pay the price. But the ‘remnants’ will remain. When God’s anger subsides, He will allow humanity to face the light – until humanity fucks up again.

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It’s not only because of idiot teachers that kids can’t read anymore. It’s because books themselves are being marginal, peripheric.

Our culture is becoming post-literral. Books and newspapers are losing their impacts. It’s the realm of TV now, and it’s fusing with the Internet. Those components are in the process of incorporating our physical organism, with microships.

Now we sill hold our “smart” phones and ipads in our hands, but it will become more and more incorporated into our organisms — not only into our rooms and vehicles, but inside our very own organism: retina, planted microships, earplugs, maybe even brain implants, bio-connected to our electrical nervous system.

That’s an example of the death of Man and rise of another form of life.

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@Tim How do you define “humanity”?

Serious question.

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@Dagny–

“Of course Man has been defined as the image of God as well. But that does not apply in a political system where God Himself has been banned.”

It always applies, regardless of whether God has been banned. People cannot escape their responsibilities just by pretending that God does not exist.

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I undestand, Mary. And I’m right there with you.
However, on a political, system level, God has been effectively cast away.
Man has took His place.
Now Man is being destroyed by forces such as islam, socialism (which are evil, purely destructive forces) but by other forces as well, such as biocybernetics, binary codes, etc, and those forces are not ontologically evil; they are non-human however.

My point is that in a context where God has been banished, and Man is dying, then we should consider the possibilty of another Form of Life rising, not Godly, not human, and not animal neither. Some form of monstrous form that ain’t necessarily evil however.

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Would you consider a humanoid creature (able to talk, trade and looking like a human) born out of an artificial uterus (produced by a machine rather than born out of a mother) part of humanity for instance?

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@Dagny
I composed a fairly lengthy response to you. But try as I might, it simply will not post. I’m posting this comment to see if it will go thru ok. If it does, I’ll try my lengthy response again.

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@Dagny
Ok, the short post above came thru. But my longer post just will not go through. I give up. I don’t have the brain power right now to edit the dang thing and get it to pass muster with the WordPress gods.

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@Dagny–

“Would you consider a humanoid creature (able to talk, trade and looking like a human) born out of an artificial uterus (produced by a machine rather than born out of a mother) part of humanity for instance?”
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No.

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The word ma.chi.ne is banned. That might have been why it did not go through.

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That’s a harsh and honest answer, Mary. I’m not sure I agree; but I do certainly understand your position.

That question I asked was basically the same question Stanley Kubrick asked in his movie A.I. (he died before finishing it, and Spielberg ruined it).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.I._Artificial_Intelligence

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test post. machine

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Alright, 2nd game I made it to level 4.

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OK, so I’ve no clue as why previous post of mine did not go through as well; i tought it was because of the word ‘machine,’ but I was wrong. Maybe it was another word.

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Dude, I told ya. Stop eating those brownies.

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@Dagny
That is so weird about your posts not going thru either.

My post was very thoughtful. I thought you’d appreciate my take on the subject. I tried to get it thru.

I was not flaming, I didn’t use any swear words. I did use the word G_d a lot though, with reverence.

I kind of think God Himself was not happy with this thread.

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LOL! I’m as sober as your little puppy.

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Dagny BORG.

YOU can be assimilated.

I’ll pass..

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