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Homeless crazies can’t be rounded up – until they attack

NY POST

These laws are insane.

Mentally ill people have been responsible for some of the year’s most horrific crimes — including murders and rapes — yet authorities are nearly powerless under current law to sweep them from the streets.

Accused subway pusher Naeem Davis said he was off his meds for bipolar disorder and hearing voices before victim Ki Suk Han was killed by an oncoming train last Monday.

Davis, 30, had been living in a homeless shelter.

“The state Office of Mental Health says they can’t be treated until they [show they] are a danger to themselves or others,” said DJ Jaffe, a mental-illness policy analyst. “Rather than prevent violence, the law requires it.”

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  1. Brian in BC

    December 10th, 2012

    This lunacy isn’t just for the homeless mentally insane…this was the front cover of today’s Vancouver Sun http://www.vancouversun.com/health/Mulgrew+Psychopathic+killer+Kayla+Bourque+released+probation/7674211/story.html

    A snippit –
    Provincial Court Judge Malcolm MacLean summed it up by describing the slight figure with long dark hair plaited into braids as a “psychopathic and narcissistic … sexual sadist” obsessed with violence and devoid of empathy or remorse.

    The psychiatrists who interviewed her were struck by the former Simon Fraser University student’s satanic sangfroid.

    She exhibited all the signs of an amoral predator — a budding Karla Homolka, partner of infamous Ontario sex killer Paul Bernardo.

    Although initially arrested under the Mental Health Act, Bourque is not psychotic or suffering from any recognized psychiatric illness that would render her not criminally responsible for her actions.

    She lacks a conscience.

    Adopted from a Romanian orphanage at eight months old, Bourque grew up in Prince George with a morbid fascination with murder and gore.

    At SFU, she studied criminology and psychology.

    Last March, she boasted of disembowelling and dismembering her cat and told a friend she fantasized about shooting a homeless person or killing someone in residence.

    That was enough to get her arrested.

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  2. Dadof3

    December 10th, 2012

    I’m against any law that will change that.

    Please consider that you will be classified as mentally ill at some point by someone who doesn’t even know you and off you go.

    Post an anti-Gov screed? Bye bye, Mr newly classified nut!

    Please don’t assist the modern Nazis any with carting us off.

    If you think that would never happen then u need to Wake The F*** Up and take a look around at your new world!

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  3. Wyatt, Insensitive Progressive Jerk

    December 10th, 2012

    I’m with Dadof3 – once you start rounding up people who may possibly be violent or dangerous, where do you draw the line? Many people on this site have mentioned the number of guns they own – do you think that the Bob Costas types may possibly interpret that as a sign of mental illness and start rounding up gun owners?

    What bothers me more is the institutional attitude we are fostering where the government is the solution to any and all problems that ail society. Man was pushed onto subway tracks, but no one bothered to help him – that’s a cop’s job. Football player with problems shoots his girlfriend and then himself – government should do something. Schools are turning out functional illiterates – government should do something. Someone says something I don’t like – government should do something.

    Maybe we should foster an attitude that “you take responsibility.” See someone that needs assistance? You do something. Schools suck? You take an interest in your kid’s education. The key is that you don’t wait for the government to fix your problems – see what you can do first. The crazy looking homeless guy next to you is likely crazy – move away from him.

    Finally, we have 300 million people in this country. We can pass the most draconian laws we can think of in order to try to guarantee absolute safety, and the only guarantee is that we will have the most draconian laws we can think of.

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  4. Tim

    December 10th, 2012

    Homeless people are bums.
    Crazy people are crazy.
    Crazy homeless people are insane bums.

    In the old days they kept em off the streets by passing loitering prohibitions and taking the bums to shelters. They also had “flop houses” where bums could sleep for very little money – but those were put out of business for regulatory reasons.

    The old standard for removing someone was “Is he (it) a danger to himself (itself) or others?”

    No additional psycho-babble bullshit required.

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  5. RosalindJ

    December 10th, 2012

    Bookworm posted recently about this same problem:

    “All three stories revolve around a single issue: what should a civilized, affluent society do about those who are too dysfunctional to live a stable life, but are just functional enough to survive on the streets without starving to death?

    http://www.bookwormroom.com/2012/12/05/how-should-cities-cope-with-the-homeless/

    No answers, but there are a lot of considerations. My civil society might be your gulag. Then again, speaking as one who has been on the selvedge as opposed to thoroughly interwoven, I – as long as there is no harm, illegal or foul activity involved – expect my tendency to like being left alone respected. And I’m not homeless, so there’s that.

    Somewhere between Minority Report and being a sitting duck lies the answer, and that’s a wide swath. There was a time when being indigent or with no visible means of support was enough to get a bad actor constrained by law for even a fleeting time. Now there’s a predate-at-will. If people must be in the densely populated area (the kind that are so crowded that humans act like cramped rats and begin eating their young), self defense and concealed carry should be a given.

    When it comes to managing repellent (but not violent) uncivilized behavior, I’m open to suggestion.

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  6. Velké internetové koule

    December 10th, 2012

    If they got cleaned up for a job interview they could become czars for the current white-house occupier.

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  7. RosalindJ

    December 10th, 2012

    And I take issue with the article’s effort to chain Reagan to the “de-institutionalizing psychiatric patients”. Like the unintended consequences of the ADA, this was of the Civil Rights Movement.

    http://www.enotes.com/1970-medicine-health-american-decades/deinstitutionalizing-mentally-ill

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