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WASHINGTON (AP) — Many motorists don’t know it, but it’s likely that every time they get behind the wheel, there’s a snitch along for the ride.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration on Friday proposed long-delayed regulations requiring auto manufacturers to include event data recorders — better known as “black boxes” — in all new cars and light trucks beginning Sept. 1, 2014. But the agency is behind the curve. Automakers have been quietly tucking the devices, which automatically record the actions of drivers and the responses of their vehicles in a continuous information loop, into most new cars for years.

When a car is involved in a crash or when its airbags deploy, inputs from the vehicle’s sensors during the 5 to 10 seconds before impact are automatically preserved. That’s usually enough to record things like how fast the car was traveling and whether the driver applied the brake, was steering erratically or had a seat belt on.

The idea is to gather information that can help investigators determine the causes of accidents and lead to safer vehicles. But privacy advocates say government regulators and automakers are spreading an intrusive technology without first putting in place policies to prevent misuse of the information collected.

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  1. Navy Squid

    December 8th, 2012

    Isn’t that obummer’s pet name for moochelle??

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  2. hanoverfist

    December 8th, 2012

    Cant cut spending.
    If we did these dolts couldnt tell
    the auto industry what to do.

    Hey SANOMA,I need your gun.

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  3. Xavier

    December 8th, 2012

    Someone mounted an EM coil to my black box that’s triggered when the air bag goes off. Don’t know how it got there.

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  4. vinnie f

    December 8th, 2012

    now… WHY did the bummer admin takeover general motors?… oh, that’s right, for the OnCar surveilence tech (to see what you are doing at ALL times)

    ASSHOLES

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  5. well

    December 8th, 2012

    secret fragrent man

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  6. Txn4Evr

    December 8th, 2012

    “Black” boxes!!!!! Those racist bastards!

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  7. scr_north

    December 8th, 2012

    It’s not a bad idea for a ten second loop to run but it does need to have regulations as to who can use it and when it can be used. Some sort of tamper proofing would also have to be installed on the device. Something like this may actually lower car insurance rates!

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  8. cfm990

    December 8th, 2012

    Why bitch about a black box? We gladly accept GPS on our phones, and in our cars. Rand McNally is all I need. I damn sure don’t want a device that can track my every move.

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  9. Carlos The Jackal

    December 8th, 2012

    What do you want to bet that they don’t even need a warrant to examine what’s on the black box; just need the right frequency?

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  10. Corky

    December 8th, 2012

    Just watch, you’ll start getting speeding tickets because it will monitor your speed and relay the information and voila a speeding ticket in your mailbox. I can do conspiracy theory as well as any one.

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  11. Ten Megaton

    December 8th, 2012

    What’s the fine for getting a hummer while driving?

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  12. J Frank Parnell

    December 8th, 2012

    Most passenger seats have a sensor that measures the passenger’s weight and deactivates the right side airbags if below a cutoff target. That is to protect children from decapitation if the airbags fire in a wreck.

    Big Bro could easily make that sensor deactivate the vehicle (through the ECM) entirely if you are too fat, shut it off with a Sebelius satellite command.

    Didn’t pay your Obamacare tax? No car for you.

    Same with cashless society. Not a good comrade? They just turn it off.

    That’s why they don’t go after the guns anymore. They don’t need to, the control grid has been pieced into place.

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  13. J Galt

    December 8th, 2012

    Black “tattle-tale” boxes in new vehicles make my 30+ year old vehicles look better and better.

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  14. Nutjob

    December 8th, 2012

    I know my 97 Gm product has 1.
    First time I was under the dash and saw this box, thought I was being tracked by someone, has FCC and the warning if removed label right on it.

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  15. J Galt

    December 8th, 2012

    @ Nutjob

    You were(are) being tracked.

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  16. Nutjob

    December 8th, 2012

    @J Galt,
    You were(are) being tracked.

    I’ve learned to acept that, I seem to throw flags up whereever I go.

    Was that you by chance at 3:07, 4:14, and 6:29 in the tinted window impala?

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  17. Xavier

    December 8th, 2012

    Every toll booth takes pictures. RFID will be in every vehicle soon – it’s passive for the car, no electricity needed. You’ll be scanned at every stoplight and by every police car in range. Your picture is taken at every bank, cash machine, convenient store, and mall. In 2017, you will be required to have a Federal Driver’s License. (DMV told me that a few weeks ago, it’s optional now) All cars have or will have GPS, just like your cell phone. All cell phone conversations are recorded and have been since the Clinton administration. Your email is stored – every word – and read by Google and the NSA. The recent kerfuffle about text messaging wasn’t about the government reading it – they do that already. It was about forcing ISPs to store the data. Websites like this one are scanned by bots and downloaded constantly. Cable television providers want cameras in their boxes to be able to watch you while you’re watching television. DHS is building and installing scanning devices for recording all communications traffic in every city.

    Sure I’m paranoid, but am I paranoid enough?

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  18. Nutjob

    December 8th, 2012

    Cable television providers want cameras in their boxes to be able to watch you while you’re watching television.

    The only thing they’ll see from me is, “Dam. how the hell does he still have skin on that thing”?

    I want royalties, if I’m going to be on gubment produced porn.

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  19. Dadof3

    December 8th, 2012

    I was thinking we could hold on to our old cars as long as we could also – until I remembered they are killing our engines with raising the corn alcohol levels to damaging levels.

    :(

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  20. w/ reverence

    December 8th, 2012

    a Sebelius satellite command.

    XLent reference

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  21. Bad Brad

    December 8th, 2012

    Dadof3, DIESEL. Damn things run on most anything.

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  22. Freeshiticus

    December 8th, 2012

    I’ve seen those old two cycle 71 series Detroit Diesel engines run after the fuel was shut off by sucking engine oil past worn piston rings and wrist pin seals. The only way to shut them down when they run away like that is to shut off the air supply before they overrun the governer and come apart.
    And I know a guy who put one in a pickup truck. Same engine they used in tanks in WW2.
    Fuck government regulations.

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  23. Bad Brad

    December 8th, 2012

    Freeshiticus, WTF, two cycle Diesel, run away engines? What the hell are you talking about. Google up WWII and Germans switching to diesel and why. You know, I’ve had a bunch of them in my trucks and have never suffered from any problem you have alluded to. WTF?

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  24. Freeshiticus

    December 8th, 2012

    Bad Brad

    Look up Detroit Diesel engine runaway. There should be some stories from 25 years ago that would scare the hell out of any mechanic. A mechanic in Dallas told me about and old Gimmy with an 8V-71 pushing a towtruck through a building. The wrecker hooked up, backed off the brakes and took off. But the truck was in gear and the motor was well worn. It fired up and pushed the wrecker right into an apartment building. They couldn’t get into the cab and it jumped governer and “ran away”, that is when the RPMs keep increasing until the sucker comes apart.
    And it only takes one cup of dirt in an old Detroit to create enough wear to let that happen.
    Of course the new Detroits don’t have that problem. I was just giving an example of an engine that would run on its own motor oil.
    Ask any old diesel mechanic who plied that trade in the 1970s.
    They were great motors if you took care of them, buy you best clear the shop when one runs away and the emergency shutdown cable is broken. Huge grenade.

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  25. Bad Brad

    December 8th, 2012

    Freeshiticus, My personal vehicles for the last 18 years have been diesel trucks. One ford, 4 Duramax’s. I won’t drive anything else.

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  26. Nutjob

    December 9th, 2012

    http://youtu.be/CVdMySWfAIQ

    This ones for you brother, I’m not psychic, but I bet i pretty much know how you’d respond.

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  27. Freeshiticus

    December 9th, 2012

    Bad Brad, I used to drive a wrecker and would never own a diesel in any place where it got cold enough to cause the fuel to gel up. Been on plenty of service calls for that in Missouri back in the 80s. Now they have additives that take care of that problem. That may be why diesels were not that common in WW2. I know they used them in some applications. The LST landing craft had Detroit marine diesel motors that had a speed setting for “battle” that would make them haul ass.

    Duramax is great engine.

    I couldn’t find a video of one blowing up but here is a Detroit running away:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M1o2rpO_JY
    -

    A rag is not the best way to shut one down. My friend Keith says he always kept a large phone book in his tool box to slap down on the intake of a Detroit run-away to shut it down when the blower is off (and the shut-down flap attached to the blower).

    The “rack” that controls the injectors in the old Detroits had to be adjusted just right to keep it from sticking which would also keep it from idling down.
    Keith saw one run-away and come apart. Said it took part of the roof off the shop.

    It’s not something you have to worry about with modern engines.

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  28. F.D.R. in Hell

    December 9th, 2012

    OnStar can shut your engine off.
    Nap time is over, America!

    :evil:

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  29. Bad Brad

    December 9th, 2012

    Nutjob, I seen this before,can you imagine this fucking whale pulling this bullshit. My reaction, unconscious about 13 seconds in.

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  30. Nutjob

    December 9th, 2012

    Dam Brad, you think she’d take you out within 13 seconds?
    I figured you’d put up a better fight then that LOL.

    I know my first thought was, “get the fuck back in your piece of shit prius before I go all bigfoot on it”

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  31. Bad Brad

    December 9th, 2012

    Nutjob

    “Dam Brad, you think she’d take you out within 13 seconds?”

    What ever, that’s a big mean women. I’d like to see you do better. LOL.

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  32. Nutjob

    December 9th, 2012

    Big and ugly doesn’t mean she’s mean, just means she’s an idiot to come up and talk to a total stranger like that without knowing what they might be like.

    Back in the day, I might’ve edged her on to push or shove me so I coud do my infamous jump spinning back kick on her.
    Now days, I’d rather do society a favor and remove that taxpayer subsidized go cart from the road.

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  33. Nutjob

    December 9th, 2012

    I hate loudmouth disrespectful people, people on here seeing what I spew might raise an eyebrow.

    But for the most part I’m a fairly respectable guy, thats why I tend to pounce on the trolls.

    I hate idiots in p-lots who park right next to you and then swing their door open and hit your car and then act like nothing happened as you stare at the dent. so I always park way out in the parking lots.
    I had a brand new range rover one time and while I was in the store, parked in the back 40 with no-one within 100ft of me. Some asshole parked right next to me with an inch of my drivers door so I couldn’t get in.

    Needless to say, people walking to their car stared at me like I was …. a Nutjob….. while I proceeeded to kick out every headlight, tail light and dent every stright piece of sheet metal on this dumbasses car.

    Guarantee he never did that again, some people are just straight up assholes. Sucks to be them when they run into an even bigger 1 like me.

    These progs are just plain idiots nowadays.

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  34. Xavier

    December 9th, 2012

    [loud voice] “Kids, each of you grab a can of Mace outta the glove box and let’s get this party started.”

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  35. Nutjob

    December 9th, 2012

    “Kids, each of you grab a can of Mace outta the glove box and let’s get this party started.”

    Does mace work on whales?
    Well, I guess it would, being she is still concidered a mammal being she’s walking erect and living on land.

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  36. MaryfromMarin

    December 9th, 2012

    You learn so much when you stay up late with iOTW.

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  37. Xavier

    December 9th, 2012

    “We’re trying to raise the ocean levels Ma’am. You’ll be able to return to the sea easier.”

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  38. Nutjob

    December 9th, 2012

    You learn so much when you stay up late with iOTW

    On a serious note, its not me anymore, Calmed way down, nor would I ever hit a women, never have. I had to restrain a few, and felt like punching, but never have had to hit a women, my size is pretty intimidating, and even though I don’t use it for intimidating purposes..just not me.

    I’d rather laugh then fight anymore. Dont even consider argueing fighting, just intellectual clashing….LOL

    Anyways, getting late, have a great night to you and everyone on here.

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  39. grayjohn

    December 9th, 2012

    Black box cars will be available in the Michelle, Oprah, or Susan models.
    The Michelle will report on everything you eat.
    The Oprah will recommend books and praise the Michelle.
    The Susan won’t be of any use because everything it reports will be a lie.

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