Home - by BigFurHat - November 15, 2012 - 23:15 America/New_York - 14 Comments
The Looking Spoon
November 15th, 2012
Hey, maybe Boehner will make this non-negotiable!
HAHAHAAAAAAHAAAAAAHAAAAA * Snort * AAAAAAHAA
Wyatt, Insensitive Progressive Jerk
No, no, no, no, no – you are missing the point of the progressive platform. I want free stuff, but I want you to pay for it. If I wanted to work for a living, I would have voted Republican.
That should apply to obamacare also. Only Dems voted for it.
And while we’re at it – only Republicans can own guns.
I wouldn’t mind owning a gun – but only if you give it to me. And send me a monthly ration of ammo.
Wyatt, In our state, they have a gun to our head now they have a Super Majority in both House and the State Legislature. They are already talking about repealing Prop 13. If you own a home, your gonna pay for everyone. That might have been the straw for me.
November 16th, 2012
@Bad Brad: I agree. Proposition 13 has been about the only thing keeping California semi-affordable. However, and given the state of California’s finances, I can see a mob descending on Sacramento if they repeal Prop. 13 with anything short of a ballot measure – even “temporarily.”
I think I made a tactical error. I was hoping for Cali to hit critical mass real soon. I figured they would be after the large business’s. I think they are coming after home owners. I heard Gains talk to night and he scared the hell out of me. Now I’m back to being locked and loaded.
@Bad Brad: Joe Biden seems to like discussing math, so let’s discuss us some math. Like taxing rich people. You can tax millionaires almost 100% of their income, and you still can’t balance the budget. You can confiscate all of the wealth of our billionaires and not balance the budget. Sure, the millionaires and billionaires have a lot of money – just not enough to really matter to the government bottom line.
Let’s tax us some evil corporations. Know what happens? They either (1) raise prices or (2) go somewhere else or (3) go out of business. Big business, small business, medium size business – they are all there so people can make a living and hopefully make a profit – take that away and there is no reason for a business to exist.
So what does a government do to raise money? They do what they have always done throughout history – they make the “little people” pay the bill. I like taxing the rich except, oops, now the government has decreed that I am rich, or, with inflation, I soon will be. Remember the alternative minimum tax – that grand scheme designed to make sure that wealthy people don’t use up all of the loopholes and escape paying taxes? Well, after a lot of years of inflation, most people now qualify for the alternative minimum tax calculation. Same with “taxing the rich” – if you ain’t rich now, you will be in the near future. Pay up, sucker.
The trick is to try to think more than ten minutes ahead in time. At one point in my life, I was definitely considered poor, but I still didn’t vote Democrat or consider a life on the government dole because I didn’t plan to stay poor. That’s the difference between being poor, which is temporary, and being in poverty, which is a state of mind. Democrats have created a class of people in poverty, and people like Obama would prefer to keep them there so they can stay in office.
As you can tell, I’m a little pissed off about a lot of things tonight, but I will leave you with one thought. Several years ago, before she was carted off to jail, Leona Helmsley, a rich New Yorker, famously stated that “only little people pay taxes.” Ms. Helmsley was by all accounts a real bitch, but she was right.
I can’t wait to hear the howling and gnashing of teeth when all this shit blows up in their face.
Maybe those who “voted to keep Obama in President” will string up Pelosi and the gang for us. I’ll give them the rope.
Wyatt — Is someone else writing under your avatar? I wonder because you end your otherwise excellent comment by agreeing with L. Helmsley about “only little people pay taxes.” I saw this at Moonbattery yesterday:
Winston Smith says:
November 14, 2012 at 9:42 am
In the same article this comment is excellent:
“Kareem of Wheat • 36 secs ago Our Tax System Explained in Beer
Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten
comes to $100.
If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that’s what they decided to do.
The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the
arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve.
‘Since you are all such good customers,’ he said, ‘I’m going to reduce the
cost of your beer by $20′.
Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.
The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes.
So, the first four men were unaffected.
They would still drink for free.
But what about the other six men – the paying customers?
How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his ‘fair
They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted
that from everybody’s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man
would each end up being paid to drink his beer.
So, the bar owner
suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by roughly the
same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.
And so The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth would now pay $2 instead of $3 (33% savings).
The seventh now paid $5 instead of $7 (28% savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Each of the six was better off than before.
And, the first four continued to drink for free.
But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.
‘I only got a dollar out of the $20,’ declared the sixth man.
He pointed to the tenth man, ‘but he got $10!’
‘Yeah, that’s right,’ exclaimed the fifth man.
‘I only saved a Dollar, too.
It’s unfair that he got ten times more than I!’
‘That’s true!’ shouted the seventh man.
‘Why should he get $10 back when I got only two?
The wealthy get all the breaks!’
‘Wait a minute,’ yelled the first four men in unison.
‘We didn’t get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!’
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for drinks, so the nine sat
down and had beers without him.
But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important.
They didn’t have enough money between all of them for even half of the
And that, boys and girls, journalists, and college professors, this is how
our tax system works.
The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax
Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not
show up anymore.
In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is
David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics
For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.”
@Abigail Adams: I don’t think anyone else uses my avatar – only a few people have guessed that it is Millard Fillmore. However, with regard to Leona Helmsley, I was not an admirer of this particular lady, but ultimately, in one way or another, the “working class,” or the “masses” if you will, end up paying the bulk of the taxes one way or another.
In California, we passed Proposition 30, which was supposedly a tax hike on “the rich.” (Note, in Southern California and the Bay Area, a family making $250,000 per year is neither particularly unusual or, for this area, rich). However, Proposition 30 also hiked our sales taxes – I suspect that over the life of this tax increase (it’s supposed to be temporary), most of the increased revenue (assuming there is increased revenue) will come from the sales tax increases.
In the “beer hypothetical” you posted, the richest beer drinker paid $59 out of a $100 bar tab because he was the wealthiest. However, what is not mentioned is “how did that fellow become wealthy enough to pay 59% of the bar tab?” (Also not mentioned – how do I meet someone like this?) Probably he became wealthy because he sold goods or services to his fellow drinkers, and passed along the increased bar tab to his own customers.
Simple. Remove the State and Local tax deductions from Federal Income Tax.
Wyatt — Yes, I’d thought of those things, too. And I assumed by “little people” you were referring to those who pay no taxes, my mistake. I think the old adage applies: “You can’t squeeze blood out of a turnip.” You’re right, the only bloody turnips are the middle class.
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