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ZoNation: One of the Main Reasons Why Republicans Lost the Presidency

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Zo gives his analysis.

To those who have been curious about what I have to say about this election’s out come, here ya go. Warning. I know a lot of you aren’t going to like my answer, and you’re going to like it even less that I don’t care. Yeah I’m a little bitter that I had to hold my nose and get behind a candidate who I knew would be a better president than Obama, yes, but could not beat ‘em. -Zo

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  1. old_oaks

    November 8th, 2012

    Zo and I are united, he just about word for word said everything I thought about this race, and “race” truly was their Death Star.

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  2. norman einstein

    November 8th, 2012

    Kaptain Kangaroo against JayZ…that hurt, Zo!

    Sadly, he’s right.
    Except that Herman Cain could not have beat the Won.

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  3. Moe tom

    November 8th, 2012

    I’ll tell you why. My self.

    50 percent Irish Catholics voted for Obama

    66 percent Jews voted for Obama

    76 Percent whores voted for Obama

    98 Percent Homosexuals voted for Obama

    99 percent Government workers voted for Obama

    68 percent Trade Union workers voted for Obama

    Stupid Coal Miners Voted for Obama Too many

    100 percent morons,uninformed assholes. Voted for Obama.

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  4. FreeMan & Sarah Screwed Again

    November 8th, 2012

    Zo Knows

    That would have worked, he is right about Herman.

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  5. chiefillinicake

    November 8th, 2012

    Let’s go the record, BFH…

    There’s nobody here (well, maybe a few) who pulled harder for Cain than I did.

    I even put my Cain yard sign out again on Wednesday morning to remind my friends and neighbors who was on it all along.

    Sharon Bialek. I hate fucking Sharon Bialek.

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  6. Moe tom

    November 8th, 2012

    And BTW Who really gives a fuck? The scumbag is back in and we have a Republican crowd who is actually, what the fuck? scared? I’m going to bed.

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  7. Bad Brad

    November 8th, 2012

    Slightly O/T. Just crossed a union picket line at a grocery store. Caused the badness to explode into full bloom. Holey shit they are suddenly brazen. Stepping out right in front of you. I told them on the way out,”Good news fuckers, I called Jenny Craig and told the we had an emergency on our hand down here. There on their way” Peace out bitchs.

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  8. Mr. Happy

    November 8th, 2012

    I think a deeper message here is that WE (the Republican people) no-longer have much or any hand in choosing our own candidates.
    Is there anyone here that really LIKED either Romney or McCain early in the primary cycle, before they became the best of “what’s left”?
    When we cannot win against our own party machinery, what hope in hell do we have against the Dems?

    I disagree that we have to run a black man against any of their black men. I see that as a fool’s errand to placate a base that hates our guts, and always will, unless we become the party of “free stuff”.

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  9. Commissar M

    November 8th, 2012

    Zo knocked it out of the park! Even if you don’t agree that Herman Cain was the best candidate to run against 0 (although I think he would’ve been a good choice), Zo’s analysis of what the mainstream Republican party is missing is spot on.

    The underlying point is also the same one that Andrew Breitbart made- you aren’t just fighting a political war but a cultural war as well. It’s all well and good to make wonkish arguments about debt and size of government but these are people who counter with celebrities writing shit on their hands and holding those hands over their hearts.

    What and who is on the horizon? I’m already hearing rumblings about how we need to “get away from social issues” and “moderate our stance on illegal immigration”. I’m also hearing people batting around the idea of running Jeb Bush in ’16…. OK, how many times do you do the same thing and get the same failing result before it can be diagnosed as insanity?

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  10. Bad Brad

    November 8th, 2012

    Mr. Happy, That’s not what he was saying. Doesn’t have anything to do with skin color. Has to do if you have a pair and a ready to do battle. Mitt was not that kinda of guy. Mitt was old school, polite, gave Obama lots of room. Don’t get me wrong I thought Mitt did a great job, but apparently things have changed.

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  11. Brian in BC

    November 8th, 2012

    We keep trying to fight “amateur Olympic boxing rules” against street fighters with knives, guns and a group of like minded friends. The fight we are in requires a complete shift in tactics. Yes we may have agreed to a boxing match, but once we realized that it was only a ploy to get us to show-up, we needed to adapt.

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  12. chiefillinicake

    November 8th, 2012

    Brad

    My oldest friend is a dentist who practices in SW Michigan, a place that’s been in recession for longer than I can recall. Long enough that their economy has a substantial barter element to it, as in, you fix my kid’s teeth, I fix your car’s transmission. Off the books, as they say…a model for What’s Coming.

    Anyhow, my buddy calls me Tuesday (election day) and says “we’re fucked”. Why, I ask?

    Because his head dental tech, a normally level-headed woman and a longtime Republican, told him that morning that she probably wasn’t voting for Romney.

    So he says “Why? How could you vote for Obama with things being so bad around here that we can barely book three days a week in patients?”

    “Well”, she says, “I like to FEEL something with my candidates, like I really KNOW them, a connection, ya know? And on that front, Romney just doesn’t DO IT for me”.

    Fuck a duck, right? But he was right.

    In the Age of Oprah, Reality TV, Housewives of Wherever the Fuck, The View, and on and on and on, greaseballs like Clinton and Obama who can squirt a glycerine tear are always gonna win. Always.

    The 19th Amendment. What a fuck up.

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  13. MaryfromMarin

    November 8th, 2012

    “Things have changed” all right, @Brad. Every time we turned around, we got a knife in the back.

    I agree with what @Brian in BC says, with the caveat that we should never descend into using the degrading tactics that the Left uses. Because then we are no better than they are. What’s the point of “winning back” our country if we have become what we were fighting against?

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  14. Edith McCrotch

    November 8th, 2012

    I believe it’s all about local control of your own community.

    First, get involved with your town and then county.

    Take control of the base especially schools and the infrastruture by cutting ties to federal and state “assistance”. (Yes, your LOCAL taxes may go up..but the “needed tax” will be in YOUR control.

    It may take years of litigation, but hell why not let us spend OUR state tax money go to OUR beliefs for once instead of buying teacher union votes.

    Second, get rid of public assistance except for the physcally disabled and elderly.

    Being a minority doesn’t make you disabled, you may have a mental problem, but we all have at least one of those people working for/with the us (I include myself at times). Your “assitance” is occupying my space.

    Third, pressure your representative in your state house to fight for your state through laws that will cut any ties to the federal money connection and their control.

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  15. Mr. Happy

    November 8th, 2012

    @Bad Brad
    If I got that part wrong then I apologize, but that part somewhat bothered me.
    If what he is saying is that we need more street fighters (politically) then I wholeheartedly agree with him.
    No matter who we field the media will beat on them like a drum. Regan could talk over them but I don’t know if that is possible today. Sure we have the internet, but I don’t think that’s enough, and I don’t know how to get around that kind of a filter for ultimately reaching Joe and Jane six-pack.

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  16. Bad Brad

    November 8th, 2012

    Chief, I have no idea what to think anymore. Here’s my whacked, off base, real early opinion. Employments in a death spiral. The stock market will eventually hit the skids. How uncomfortable do the assholes that voted for all talk and no substance need to get before the become self aware? We have four years of nothing but down. I can’t see it going on that long. But, it will be interesting to watch. It’ll be even better if you can survive it. Only property owners should vote.

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  17. Commissar M

    November 8th, 2012

    Mr Happy asked:
    “Is there anyone here that really LIKED either Romney or McCain early in the primary cycle, before they became the best of “what’s left”?”

    I saw a few posters early in the year admonishing the members to get on board with Romney but for most of the time I’ve been here, the idea of him running against and/or beating Obama seemed like a joke. I recall saying that it would be another McCain. I remember posting some fake campaign posters I created over at the People’s Cube back in ’09 or ’10. This for was a “name the worst guy to run in 2012 thread” and IIRC, Romney was one of my picks along with Jeb Bush and Michael Bloomberg.

    Yes, I realize that’s harsh but that’s how I roll!

    I also remember that when it became obvious that Romney was going to be the nominee, I had a conversation with someone who asked me what I thought about it. I said, “Well, we now have choice between electing a big government technocrat who supported an overbearing mandatory healthcare law, a guy who has supported abortion and gay marriage and who has openly identified himself as a progressive.

    Or we can vote for Obama….”

    Romney did better than I thought and he actually impressed me as a candidate. I don’t doubt that, unlike Obama, he actually loves his country and isn’t a megalomaniacal malignant narcissist sociopath. Neither is he an empty suit backed up by creepy personality cult. But he also isn’t the “new Reagan” as some of his ardent supporter sold him. At best, he would’ve patched up the ship of state and kept it afloat a little bit longer. At worst, he would have presided over the collapse of America that Obama’s underlings spent the previous four years working like hell to create. I don’t see the fire in Romney to enact truly positive and transformative results or to carry the beacon of Conservatism, the latter because he isn’t a Conservative.

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  18. Bad Brad

    November 8th, 2012

    MaryfromMarin, It doesn’t have anything to do with descending to their tactics. Just the opposite, they tell a lie, we call them on it, the liberal debate monitor backs the liberal, our conservative gets bleeped a shit load on national tv. Call a spade a spade (that was not a good analogy) any way, you get my point. Stay richeous with the truth and slam it home and don’t let them f the hook. Maybe a little or a lot more of a street fighter is what is needed. But the truth shall set you free.

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  19. Brian in BC

    November 8th, 2012

    MaryfromMarin, thank-you for the support. For the record, don’t get me wrong, I am not advocating the use of degrading tactics, I agree with Bill Whittle that it is people of virtue that we need. What I’m pointing towards is the seeming naiveté much of the time to recognize that the game we’ve shown up to play, is not the game we’re actually playing. Recognize that we’re in a cultural battle, not one of (unfortunately) logic and calls to understand economic realities. Understand that we need to adapt to the battleground we’re actually in, not the one we thought we were engaging.

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  20. Moe tom

    November 8th, 2012

    I have been following Alfonzo for years on pjtv. He is a hero. Great guy. Strong commitments. No bullshit.

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  21. Mr. Happy

    November 8th, 2012

    Commissar M
    “Yes, I realize that’s harsh but that’s how I roll!”

    Sometimes “ya gotta be cruel to be kind”.
    :)

    I know the safe choice is to “reach for vanilla” so no one can complain about the flavor, but it will never taste like a vintage 1980 Regan. If vanilla were that darned popular we would be in the second term of McCain, which now that I think about it, isn’t what I want either.

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  22. Bad Brad

    November 8th, 2012

    Mr. Happy, I doubt seriously if Reagan would have won this election. And I guess I’ve been kinda of skirting an issue I want to make. The economies going into the shitter. All the freaken 20 year olds that voted for this ass hole sing songy voice are eventually going to want to get paid from some one. It’s not fucking there. They destroyed it. This economy going to hit rock bottom, watch and see. Obama phone people are in for a shock.

    I hope every one here survives it. Keep armed, one of these days there coming for your shit.

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  23. Bad Brad

    November 9th, 2012

    Mr. Happy, There’s no apologizing for an opinion here brother. It’s like a big think tanks. It’s therapeutic.

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  24. MN Patriot

    November 9th, 2012

    There wont be an election in 4 years.
    Obama is in for life.

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  25. Mr. Happy

    November 9th, 2012

    No, today, in this environment Regan would have been tossed under the Republican bus right about the same time Sarah Palin was shown the underside of it by the pragmatists.
    Even had Regan survived the nomination process he would have been portrayed as a racist xenophobe war-crimey ‘straight-white-male’ by what passes for a media in this country.
    Really, I have no idea what our next step should be other than retaking our own party.

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  26. Bad Brad

    November 9th, 2012

    MN Patriot,Mr. Happy. This suddenly makes perfect sense.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj2JORdzs1g
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  27. Bad Brad

    November 9th, 2012

    By the way, almost went through that tonight getting freaked groceries.

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  28. Bad Brad

    November 9th, 2012

    freaken, sorry

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  29. MN Patriot

    November 9th, 2012

    Friggin

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  30. MaryfromMarin

    November 9th, 2012

    @Brad–

    I think we are in essential agreement. We just express it differently, perhaps. I certainly agree with you that it’s going to get bad.

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  31. Mr. Happy

    November 9th, 2012

    Bad Brad, were I just elected President, that’s about how I would have choreographed my inauguration ceremony.

    :)

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  32. MN Patriot

    November 9th, 2012

    Bad is an monumental understatement.

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  33. MaryfromMarin

    November 9th, 2012

    @Brian in BC–

    I think you are right that we’ve been fighting on different battlefields most of the time. That got us nowhere.

    The Last Refuge/The Conservative Treehouse has an interesting post along these lines, referencing both Bill Whittle’s and Ann Barnhardt’s take on all this:

    http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/11/08/the-last-refuge/

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  34. Granny Flash

    November 9th, 2012

    LT COL ALLEN WEST for President next time!!! He is the Greatest leader in the country right now. All Conservatives love him except the people that run the Republican Party. Dump those fools!!!

    WEST/RUBIO would make America proud again!!!! WEST/RUBIO a Dream Ticket!!!

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  35. Bad Brad

    November 9th, 2012

    MaryfromMarin. Agreed. Next time we need some one that would go straight at them, take no prisoners. Like Sara Palin. I think that’s why we fell in love with her. She’s no longer the one though. Maybe Rubio. Well we have a couple years to sort it out and try and survive.

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  36. Bad Brad

    November 9th, 2012

    Granny Flash, That name’s scaring me a little. But I do agree with your candidates.

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  37. MN Patriot

    November 9th, 2012

    Here is a little glimpse of what’s to come.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBKFCLd6mZE
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  38. Mr. Happy

    November 9th, 2012

    Thanks MN Patriot for turning me onto what seems to be a pretty good movie that I completely overlooked!

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  39. Bad Brad

    November 9th, 2012

    MN Patriot, Never was cut out for the victim role. My Favorite lyrics. Words to live by.

    In one hand I’ve a Bible
    In the other I’ve got a gun
    Well, don’ you know me
    I’m the man who won

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  40. scr_north

    November 9th, 2012

    He certainly is correct about running against the liberal culture but if his solution against a black democrat is a black republican then that’s where he and I part ways. To run a black candidate on the basis of the color of his skin would make conservatives no better then the liberals they would profess to oppose. If the best candidate happens to be black then great but not because he’s black. Umm, or she.

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  41. Name Redacted™

    November 9th, 2012

    Zo is right, and now it’s too late.

    I’ve been thinking about what tactic we need to reverse this societal shift.

    I think the answer is propaganda.

    I’ve been studying the left & communism for awhile. The way they got “cool” was doing secret, underground stuff, you know, sort of naughty, like you don’t want to get caught or let your parents know what you’re doing. Conservatives need to work a stealth tactic to steal the children of the left away from them. Right now we can kiss ass on Latinos or whatever, but the key to building a new base is to get the up and coming kids, the ones that are in their teens right now who will be voting in the next elections. The welfare crowd is a done deal, and we’re never going to win them.

    Cool cartoons. Cool people. Cool imagery. I think that’s where Breitbart was beginning to lead things. Conservatism needs to become hip and edgy, and the more “underdog” it becomes the more cool and counterculture it will seem. It’s all about being shrewd and targeting the most likely pickings.

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  42. MN Patriot

    November 9th, 2012

    Sorry Brad, the music was not the message.
    The visuals were.
    And speaking of music, here is some real good stuff.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUESvITrvsI
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  43. MN Patriot

    November 9th, 2012

    One more doom and gloom prophecy then off to bed.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkJt6tWS-uY
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  44. Bad Brad

    November 9th, 2012

    MN Patriot. Good night.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4s0nzsU1Wg
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  45. behold a pale horse

    November 9th, 2012

    Zo was and is bang on!

    Truth is a painful pill to swallow.

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  46. real

    November 9th, 2012

    This graphic explains the election and American politics in on easy picture…

    http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=156593

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  47. Xavier

    November 9th, 2012

    @Name Redacted™

    Concur. Consider these statements:

    Romney will put Grandma in the street

    Romney will take away your birth control

    Obama is responsible for U.S. deaths in Libya

    Rising energy costs are a direct result of Obama’s policies

    Which two statements are believed by a majority of Americans, and why? I’m sure you know which, but the why is propaganda – and as Zo says, culture. The medium is the message. Embrace new technology and new media or become irrelevant.

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  48. webby h

    November 9th, 2012

    “also hearing people batting around the idea of running Jeb Bush in ’16…. ”

    they can knock that shit off, RIGHT NOW

    althoooooough, maybe they just keep doing what they’re doing and we get our ASSES going on a constitution party and GET BACK TO WHAT MATTERS

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