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A temporary reprieve, that’s what. I am reading a lot of doom and gloom in the posts and comments on American Thinker this morning. Yes, yes I know – four more years of Obama. That does stink. But, has Obama really won anything permanent? I would argue that he has not. Let me go into some of the reasons why. I will address the obvious worries of my fellow American Thinker readers one-by-one.

Obama will turn the US into an entitlement state

The U.S. was an entitlement state long before Obama. He only accelerated the process. However, in doing so, he also accelerated the pace of cities and municipalities acknowledging the budget shortfalls they had been hiding for decades. Now they are falling like dominoes and he is powerless to stop it. He is also powerless to stop governors like Scott Walker from enacting reforms that bring real prosperity. The media will not be able to hide this forever. It is too close to home or coming soon to a city near you.

The Democrats will have a permanent majority

Sure, they will. Some of us seem to have forgotten the wave of correction in November of 2010. Think of the disgust after four more years of unwillingness to get government out of the way of the private sector and blaming Bush for businesses sitting on their cash. The Democrats will have to move forward after Obama and that will be a tough sell after nearly a decade of stagnation.

They will take away our guns

Yeah, right. You know how we conservatives lament the fact that progressives have spent the past century infiltrating every area of public life? Well, conservatives have spent the past two centuries collecting firearms for maintaining the peace and for nonviolent sport. The number of privately-owned firearms is so large that the state and federal governments could never hope to confiscate them all. And who would carry out the confiscations anyway? Police? How many anti-gun officers do you know? Their heart would not be in it and the whole program would devolve into a token effort.

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  1. Xavier

    November 7th, 2012

    Well he only left out Cap and Trade, the National Debt, appeasement as foreign policy, terrorism, drones in the U.S., and Agenda 21.

    But other than that he’s probably 20% correct./

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  2. RANDO

    November 7th, 2012

    X, I like the way you think.

    “Illigitimi non carborundum”

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  3. Unruly Refugee

    November 7th, 2012

    They won’t take away my guns as long as my trigger fingers are working. I know very well what happens after that and I would prefer death. I’ll make sure my roscoe is within reach at all times just in case. Fuck em.

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  4. Birdie Num Num

    November 7th, 2012

    Who does this Macina moron think he’s kidding?

    This is the type of equivocating fool with the “alligator will eat me last” mentality that invites and enables Stalinist dictators like 0bama.

    ‘Tis only a flesh wound” said the Dark Knight as he hopped around bleeding profusely with three limbs cut off.

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  5. grayscape

    November 7th, 2012

    They won a soon-to-be bankrupt socialist state disintegrating into civil war, famine, and disease.

    Maybe we can rebuild the Republic after that with the few million still alive.

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  6. theBeachBumConservative

    November 7th, 2012

    thank you! It made me feel just a bit better.

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  7. Menderman

    November 7th, 2012

    my 2 paragraph comment disapeared….

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  8. Unruly Refugee

    November 7th, 2012

    @theBeachBumConservative

    That’s the best looking woman I’ve ever seen. I’m jealous.

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  9. Wyatt, Insensitive Progressive Jerk

    November 7th, 2012

    For much of today, as with many days, I have been monitoring IOTW. Yes, the 2012 election did not go well, and yes, I am as disappointed as anyone, and yes, I am an incurable optimist, but I do not see this as the end of the line.

    This country has been lurching towards socialism for many decades now. We have promised payments to people who are of retirement age until they die. We have promised health care for older Americans. We have promised food stamps for the poor, and we have promised to provide shelter for the homeless. We have declared a war on poverty and spent perhaps trillions of dollars on this effort to no gain. We give public transportation people for minimal cost and at a loss to the government, we promise free education to our children, and we have promised free medical care for the indigent. We promise, and try to deliver all of these things, and the only thing politicians (mostly Democrats and not a few Republicans) demand in exchange is their votes and some taxes that, in the minds of many, someone else will pay.

    And how do we pay for these things? Well, originally the idea was to use ordinary tax receipts to pay for these programs, with the promise that we would soak the wealthier of us for a little more. But we miscalculated (or just didn’t know, or lied – take your pick), and now the actual cost of what we promised to provide is far more than our realistic tax receipts, so we have to promise to soak the rich even more and make the working class pay “their fair share.”

    What we have created, over decades of promises, is a society where large numbers of people rely on government largesse to some extent, or entirely. Frankly, this is a nature consequence of these types of promises, but this is what happened all the same. Too many people, for too long, have expected the government to take care of them, provide for them, and in fact increase the assistance rendered. To use a progressive phrase, this was not sustainable, and we are proving that now.

    In any event, the point is that what conservatives are doing is trying to change an attitude that has been ingrained in too many people for too long. Our continued transition into pure socialism is not a new phenomenon (although the current crop of Democrats is intent on speeding up the process), and conservatives will not change the national mood overnight or in the course of one election. Moreover, and like any long term process, there will be set backs and failures.

    Romney came close, even though he was ultimately portrayed as a cold-hearted businessman with no concern for the “needy” (which is actually all of us to some extent). He lost, but the conservative cause was advanced, and some attitudes were changed. For example, when I was younger, I used to be frustrated that the politicians were promising so much, but utterly failing to indicate how our society was going to pay for these grandiose schemes – now people are rightfully beginning to be concerned about the mounting debt we have incurred and the disparity between tax receipts and the cost of what we have promised.

    It’s easy to promise something for free to people, and it’s easy to scare people into believing that conservatives will take away their benefits, which is basically the platform for the Democrat party. What conservatives are trying to do, which is change people’s attitudes from “give me a free lunch” to “give me opportunity” is much, much more difficult and involves a reversal of decades of political thinking.

    Just keep at it, please.

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  10. Menderman

    November 7th, 2012

    ok…that 2 comments that went to cyberland….

    nevermind

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  11. J Frank Parnell

    November 7th, 2012

    The national debt and bond vigilantes will take a big giant shit on every point he makes. It is the universal solvent of collapse.

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  12. Unruly Refugee

    November 7th, 2012

    @Wyatt, Insensitive Progressive Jerk
    Very well said. Reminds me of a song:

    Been working everyday since I was twenty
    Haven’t got a thing to show for anything I’ve done
    There’s folks who never work and they’ve got plenty
    Think it’s time some guys like me had some fun

    So turn me loose, set me free, somewhere in the middle of Montanna
    And gimme all I got comin’ to me
    And keep your retirement and your so called social security
    Big city turn me loose and set me free
    Hey big city turn me loose and set me free

    Haggard.

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  13. angusmac

    November 7th, 2012

    I’ve never received anything from the gov’ment except a tax deduction on my home mortgage. I will return those funds if I can opt out now! Phuck these Mutha Phukers!!

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  14. AbigailAdams

    November 7th, 2012

    It seems the talking heads today are all about the numbers — this percentage of blacks, that percentage of whites, another percentage of latinos and single women and blah, blah, blah. They forgot to single out all the muslim Somalis who have taken up residence in our country’s larger cities.

    The thing that no one brings up and it’s crucial to the life of conservative America are the basic tenets of the Progressive Left, chiefly the continual push in education to legitimize e pluribus over unum. Along with that, of course, comes the Left’s basic stand on immigration. As long as we keep importing people from countries where as children they grew up in a deeply socialist milieu and continue to encourage their homeland loyalties, dress, speech, habits, and laws (thinking Sharia, here), the Left will continue to win elections.

    The Left seems to be particularly proud of, and blaming the defeat of Romney on, the “browning and beige-ing of amerika”, saying that the GOP must come to grips with who now makes up the voting blocs. This, of course, from the party who just wants “fairness” for everyone (except white people).

    And I’m just sick to death of people like Bernie Goldberg telling us that conservatives have to turn themselves inside out to appeal to every dingbat voter in every stratified group. If you go back to conservative principles, race, class, and gender have never figured into the discussion. And it never should.

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  15. Unruly Refugee

    November 7th, 2012

    @Menderman

    Remember Groucho when the secret word was spoken there would be a big duck with a cigar drop down. They just don’t have the duck here, and you still have to guess which fuckin word it was.
    lol

    Happens to me a lot.

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  16. Alpha Maser

    November 7th, 2012

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    Tomorrow $50.00, Saturday $500.00. You get domains http://www.maser-media.org http://www.masermedia.org, transferred to you with complete ownership. You own all conservative content produced for last 4 years. Google page rank #1 respectable SEO rating. Currently a non-monetized blog. God save our country! I’m going Galt!

    http://maser-media.org/WordPress/?p=5890#comments

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  17. Jethro

    November 7th, 2012

    Yeh, yeh, yeh…
    It may or may not get better, who knows?
    What I do know is that, eventually, it’s going to get really bad. So bad, that you will not know who to trust. People who were your friends will stab your back in their last fleating attempts at self preservation.
    People will die.
    First – in the ransacking of the cities and suburbs. The rural areas will survive that period.
    Second – when the ruthless bastards who have been hiding expose themselves as the saviors of society, promising to stop the madness. They will not hesitate to kill off the usefull idiots, intellectuals and any other figurehead of the past oppositions.
    This is when we have to be ready to pounce. At the first sign of this phase we MUST be ready to be just as ruthless and not take any prisoners.
    Be prepared.

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  18. Bad Brad

    November 7th, 2012

    Wyatt, The problem with what you wrote is that it only describes half of the unbearable pickle we find our selves in. Everything you have described is true. Now combine that with a regime that is trying to grow the government at an unprecedented rate, while simultaneously dragging they economy to a stand still. I’m not sure what the end game is, but it’s got to be intentional. Anyway you want to cut it, it’s unsustainable and things are going to get damn uncomfortable for a while. All those programs you describe are no longer going to be funded at some point not to far down the road.

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  19. Reg

    November 7th, 2012

    I simply do not have the energy to fight the left anymore. I came to the US in 1969 from Ukraine to escape socialism. Now, I think I will have to leave the US to escape it again!

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  20. alphamaser

    November 7th, 2012

    Wow, that’ the first post I’ve ever had ripped from IOTW. I wonder if this one will be ripped too?

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  21. alphamaser

    November 7th, 2012

    certainly could be the spam filter…

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  22. webby h

    November 7th, 2012

    maybe dude needs an intervention — sounds alike a buncha rationalization to me – sounded like it all damn day..
    How many anti-gun officers do you know? NONE, what about a NEW PC with directives sent down from on High..

    same as twisting up the moderate Mloids- just change happy-go-lucky-imam with supremacist, wildeyed fkn imam

    Democrats will have to move forward after Obama and that will be a tough sell after nearly a decade of stagnation.– WTF he didn’t notice the senate start writing up their own bills in order to make the repubes compromise with dogshit

    anymore questions dumbass?
    obtw, thanks for addressing amnesty NOT just for the 20-25 million that will get it but the 100 million MORE that will get thru due to “family reunification”

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  23. AbigailAdams

    November 7th, 2012

    Wyatt, Brad — Did you catch Miller tonight? He’s pretty angry, said essentially to become one of the takers and take everything you possibly can because the country will eventually go broke and you might as well get your fair share on its way down. Also intimated that anyone who has a business should scale it back, take care of themselves and don’t provide a situation for the gov’t to redistribute anything of yours’ to anyone else. Basically, get off the grid, play golf and don’t work your tukus off anymore.

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  24. Xavier

    November 7th, 2012

    @AbigailAdams

    You’ve hit the core of the problem. Individuality vs. Special Interest Group X. For years the democrats have encouraged minorities to leverage their race for political clout and entitlements. Now, they’re Group X first and American second.

    The GOP – or whatever entity exists after we completely rebuild it – needs to find a way to woo these voters, but as you say, not as brown people but as individual Americans. It’s going to be a difficult uphill battle. That’s why the GOP needs to get started immediately – ingrained attitudes formed over decades aren’t going to change overnight. If we can do this, we’ll not only convert one or more of the democrats major voting blocks, but also put an end to large portions of the entitlement society. That’s good for them, good for the country, and doubly bad for the democrats.

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  25. Commissar M

    November 7th, 2012

    So how does this “browning of America” take in to account the loses of both Mia Love and Alan West? How does the “war on women” take into account the insane nastiness of the left against every single women on the Right?

    No, what is at work here is the same shit that always works for Demonrats. Divide Americans into subgroups, foster ignorance, fear, irrationality and dependency. Find convenient scapegoats to blame problems and failures on (nearly always the rich, businesses and some other “outliers”).

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  26. Carlos The Jackal

    November 7th, 2012

    Color me cynical, but I have a feeling contraband confiscation (guns, ammo, large quantities of supplies)is the real reason zero wants a civilian national security force-

    http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/dhs—graduates-first-class-of-youth-fema-corps-first-respondersseptember-13-2012/question-3276425/?postId=97130343&page=4

    “We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”
    Barack Obama

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  27. AbigailAdams

    November 7th, 2012

    Xavier

    It’s gotta be on an appeal based on an expanded version of the tea party’s. I think the shortest path to take is to completely rebrand the GOP. That’s what liberals have done tome and again to great effect. We need a total rebrand and then recruit some cool people to appeal to the young. There’s no reason young people have to be democrats. In fact, a old as he is, every kid still knows who Bill Gates is. We need to find a conservative entrepreneur who heads a hip, successful company. More later, i’m at a high school winter concert.

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  28. Wyatt, Insensitive Progressive Jerk

    November 7th, 2012

    This is the attitude everyone should be battling:

    “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years.”

    ― Alexis de Tocqueville

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  29. Bad Brad

    November 7th, 2012

    AbigailAdams, I missed Dennis Miller. I don’t think I can get into Fox News for a while. I had my hopes to high and I need a long break. I’m digging in, figuring my own shit out, staying with Bad Blue and here. Now I’m hearing Jeb Bush for 2016. That’s the dumbest damn thing I’ve ever heard. That name is poison. Portman, Rubio, etc. We need the young guns.

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  30. webby h

    November 7th, 2012

    Portman, Rubio

    careful with those two, they’re not as sweet and innocent as

    rubio reeeeallly hems and haws about amnesty and says something like ‘after we secure the borders, we need to have a serious discussion’ blah blah blah

    portman, i got a slight memory of seeing a bit of legislation he sponsored that seemed VERY agenda 21-like

    INCIDENTALLY, the texas republican platform shows blatantly – No Amnesty, No Way for both 08 and 10 – i got the PDF’s somewhere, but for 2012, the platform very suspiciously goes on and on about ‘ya know, you really can’t expect to round them all up and send them back, it just isn’t gonna work and we really ought to be more understanding blah blah blah Amnesty

    classic bait and switch

    you should look up the you tube of dick aremy saying that, “they just come here to feed their babies, they stand in line for hours try to get work… people who want to seal the borders are just meeeean…people”

    enuff to wanna toss the monitor out the window

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  31. Bad Brad

    November 7th, 2012

    webby h, O.K. Name a couple better. I’m all ears. Not being a smart as here. I’m open.

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  32. webby h

    November 8th, 2012

    webby h, O.K. Name a couple better. I’m all ears. Not being a smart as here. I’m open.

    i am EQUALLY thrown for the loss, dude… out of what, 5-10 million conservs, we can’t find 20-50 to make a helluva sacrifice

    as part of the search, don’t we have to recognize that most aren’t doing shit (unless they’re military) until ‘it’ hits them, jsut what we got/had and how easily it’s lost

    i picked up a library throwout copy of “in harms way” and that shook me quite a bit, but then nothing til i read lone survivor by marcus luttrell about his SEAL work and all those men we lost while trying to save ‘em

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  33. Bad Brad

    November 8th, 2012

    webby h, It’s a bitch. You want a hard core conservative, is that person electable? I thought Mitt was. I was behind him especially for what he could do with the economy. Right now, I’m out of answers. And tired of the media. I need a cave where I can go lick my wounds.

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  34. webby h

    November 8th, 2012

    @Bad Brad: complete agreement, but it’s definiitely rino season, look how fast the orange marmalade started to drip – sure, wer’re ready to giveup, Mr. pReeezy

    was hopin that the trumpster would have done the right thing and tossed 2-300 ger at John Bolton for the exploratory

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  35. Bad Brad

    November 8th, 2012

    Well let’s start with that fat fuck Christy. Doughnut boys no conservative.

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  36. Blacksmith8✡

    November 8th, 2012

    Our problem has been and continues to be one word:
    electability
    WE didn’t pick Mitt, THEY did.
    I wanted Palin, but that didn’t come to pass.

    First, we NEED a conservative or reformed demonrat to spend every waking moment moving around the states so when they come to the national scene, we ALL know and like them.

    It’s been done before we can do it again.

    But, will we?

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  37. Captiva

    November 8th, 2012

    Not so optimistic. The complete crash of the dollar and the rise of Islamic extremism will be a bigger deal than we think.

    No, they won’t “take” our guns, but they could over regulate the industry. Also, God forbit you shoot someone in defence.

    This asshole wants a revolution.

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  38. MemphisRebel

    November 8th, 2012

    All those shouting “WE WON!!” On election not reminds me of when the same thing happened after the OJ verdict.

    But to the libtard’s credit, there is even more truth now to what the overwhelmed Obama supporter said during the 2008 election: no worries about putting gas in my car or paying my mortgage. Only now the reason will be repossession and foreclosure.

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  39. grease be upon him

    November 8th, 2012

    let’s start with that fat fuck Christy

    ceremonial harpoonage

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