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Jonah Goldberg

Let’s not kid ourselves, last night was a bad night. I understand and appreciate the impulse to “come together” and put aside the partisanship. That’s a good and necessary impulse in politics. But so is honesty. And I think the voters made a terrible mistake. No serious person thinks that just because the public votes one way or another, their verdict is right. But all American citizens should accept that the voters have the final say. Maybe things will work out better than I expect with another four years of Barack Obama in the White House. Crazier things have happened.

But that’s not how I’d bet.

Even so, that’s a matter of what will come out of Washington in the months to come. And even if John Boehner & Co. work wonders, I don’t really see how conservatives can spin the news about what came out of the electorate. The fact that Barack Obama was reelected and how he was reelected, can only be seen as dispiriting news for conservatives.

That Mitt Romney got fewer votes than John McCain is dismaying on any number of levels. We were told, by strategists and by what seemed like common sense, that the McCain coalition was a floor for Romney to build up from. The possibility that it was in fact a ceiling is pretty awful to contemplate. It is also pretty infuriating when you think about what the Romney campaign was telling us about their path to 270.

I’ll be blunt: I do not think Mitt Romney ran a good campaign. Don’t get me wrong, I think he worked his heart out as did many who worked for him. I think he made himself into the best candidate he could (which is different than saying he was a great candidate). But I also think that Romney’s theory of the contest was wrong. As I wrote at the time, the Republican convention was a mess. I think Romney strategist Stu Stevens’ contempt for ideas — never mind conservative ideas — was absurd. I think the failure of the Romney campaign to offer a compelling explanation of any kind (at least until the second debate) for how it wasn’t a third Bush term was fatal (as I discussed here and elsewhere). Politics is about persuasion. And persuasion requires making serious arguments. Stevens, by all accounts, has contempt for serious arguments.

None of this means that all of the talk about changing demographics and long-term structural challenges for the GOP are without merit. I have strong views about all of that as well.

 

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  1. RANDO

    November 7th, 2012

    The GOP might start by fielding some conservatives for a change. NO MORE RINOs.
    This is a war we’ve GOT to win!

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  2. Mr. Happy

    November 7th, 2012

    The GOP has become Dem-lite.
    I don’t have any obvious answers right now, but I’m open to all sorts of suggestions, but one thing this election has taught me is that demagoguery works. I hate to go down that path, but that is where the evidence points me on this “day after”.

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  3. behold a pale horse

    November 7th, 2012

    You’re already trying to ‘spin’ the how and why the results were the way they were.

    And tell me what drugs you are on to make the insane statement: “Maybe things will work out better than I expect with another four years of Barack Obama”

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  4. behold a pale horse

    November 7th, 2012

    People like you are the problem, always thinking that things could never get as bad as those naysayers think, we’ll never reach the level of communism that the Soviet Union was, or Cuba, or North Korea, blah blah blah.

    Tell you what, read and understand history, the writing is on the wall and you’re too stupid to see or read it, let alone wrap your little mind around it.

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  5. Sarthurk

    November 7th, 2012

    Apparently we sent a boy to do a mans job. Any one could beat down barry with a wet noodle. Mitt ficked up! We ficked up.

    See y’all in hell!

    Sarthurk

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  6. Xavier

    November 7th, 2012

    I’ll tell you what I understand about history: if we don’t fight back we haven’t got a chance in hell.

    I’m quickly tiring of these people who claim it’s Conservative Waterloo or some such bullshit. The election was close, the turnout was low, and we fumbled badly. Now man up and help drive back the fucking commies.

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  7. Tim

    November 7th, 2012

    The Republic is Dead!

    Long live the Republic!

    We need to form state and local militias and start training. The fucking rat-people in the urban areas are gonna go ape-shit when the economy folds.

    Barry’s move to chaos, hate, and destruction is next.

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  8. behold a pale horse

    November 7th, 2012

    “I’ll tell you what I understand about history: if we don’t fight back we haven’t got a chance in hell.” – Xavier

    Damn right. Anyone who thinks we can negotiate our way through this or work together is delusional.

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  9. Sorry, but I told you so

    November 7th, 2012

    What country does Jonah live in?

    In my country, even though conservative voters made what I assume was an unprecedented show of force, they were outnumbered when just over 1/2 of the voting populace agreed that it’s OK for gov’t to take money from their neighbors and openly joke about denying basic rights to fellow citizens on political whim…even unto allowing them to die. THAT is the country I now inhabit.

    Even accounting for massive vote fraud last night – which I am – that’s an even larger number of parasitic drones than in 2008. Yet this is (was) America…HOW could they win?

    Simple. Obama was the face chosen to sell them on socialism. He did it. Result: Even though they won the election by a hair, they still won it and were ALREADY far too big a population of parasites to sustain in a free country.

    But now…because they won…their number will grow because (a) there is no reason for it not to and (b) there’s no one to stop it.

    I was a poster at Hot Air about 5 years ago. I and a few others were VERY unpopular because we dared to say that even if McCain won, it’d be a brief reprieve from the socialism that would eventually woo enough of the voting population to put us forever over the edge. We are now over that edge and we will not – cannot – come back. I take zero pleasure in being correct. I ask only that you face reality so we can deal with it and support each other as open-eyed adults.

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  10. Sorry, but I told you so

    November 7th, 2012

    “I’ll tell you what I understand about history: if we don’t fight back we haven’t got a chance in hell.”

    We did and we lost. Between greed that has now been effectively bred into generations of voters and the fraud machine in major population areas, we’re done. We are now Europe, with all that that entails.

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  11. Stirrin the B.S.

    November 7th, 2012

     
  12. ???????

    November 7th, 2012

    Has anyone ever run the numbers to see how much cheating would have to be done in the swing states, to give your guy the election?
    Would adding 10,000 votes do it? 25,0000?
    Republicans were kicked out of polls in Philly. Why?
    One reason. Time to add X amount to the dem. total.
    Is there anyway to look at the metrics in Philly or in Other swing states. They said in Ohio busloads of Somalies were going to the polls. How many went?
    25,000?
    It would be nice if someone good at statistics could check this out.
    A landslide for Obama without cheating makes no sense,does it?

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  13. super toe

    November 7th, 2012

    I feel like Charlton Heston when he realized the Apes have taken over.

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  14. Maudie N Mandeville

    November 7th, 2012

    To date, our two most articulate conveyors of conservatism are Paul Ryan and Marco Rubio. We need it to flow naturally out of our candidates. He worked hard but we all know it didn’t flow naturally out of Romney.

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  15. Menderman

    November 7th, 2012

    If conservatism is a sinking ship, I’ll go down with the ship. It is not in my genetic make up to live as a non principled immoral liberal.

    I’d rather die a hero than live as a coward.

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  16. Menderman

    November 7th, 2012

    @sorrybuttitoldyouso:

    Just shut the fuck up and go back to Hot Air…you are not wanted here either.

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  17. Menderman

    November 7th, 2012

    and I don’t see any way that rampant cheating reelected Obama. Any conspiracy that large would leak.

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  18. Xavier

    November 7th, 2012

    @Menderman

    When I told Granny that if the SHTF I’d go down fighting for Conservatism, she said, “I’ve never been so proud of you. You’re a true West Virginian.” Damn woman almost made me cry.

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  19. Sorry, but I told you so

    November 7th, 2012

    @sorrybuttitoldyouso:

    Just shut the fuck up and go back to Hot Air…you are not wanted here either.

    * * *

    When BFH tells me to fuck off, I’ll fuck off. You’re just trying hard not to be woken up to finally look facts in the face. Rush said it best today:

    * * *

    Do you realize that Obama’s message is that the people who are making it possible for him to be Santa Claus aren’t working hard enough? Do you realize Obama’s message is: “Not only am I Santa Claus, but the people who are making all this possible still aren’t paying their fair share! While you’re out there doing nothing, they still aren’t paying their fair share. It’s not enough! I’m still gonna come in and I’m gonna raise their taxes! I’m still gonna come in.

    * * *

    Conservatism cannot compete with that.

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  20. Bad Brad

    November 7th, 2012

    Menderman: That is the person that uses the screen Anne. She’s a TROL.

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  21. Menderman

    November 7th, 2012

    OK, thanx Brad.

    @Anne,

    Shut the fuck up and go back to Hot Air…you are not wanted here either

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  22. Mr. Happy

    November 7th, 2012

    @Menderman
    “and I don’t see any way that rampant cheating reelected Obama. Any conspiracy that large would leak.”
    I agree.

    Although I do believe they cheat locally, I don’t think they have the means to cheat nationally.
    In any event, I don’t think yesterday was the result of cheating but a sign of something much worse, and much more ‘wrong’, with the electorate.

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  23. Xavier

    November 7th, 2012

    It writes like Lady in Red – all disjointed and non sequitur-y but without the mangled babies.

    But that may just be a side effect of liberal group-think.

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  24. Bad Brad

    November 7th, 2012

    It has multiple personalities, and not that well educated.

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  25. Sorry, but I told you so

    November 7th, 2012

    If you mean me, ask BFH to check if my IP matches Anne or anyone else.

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  26. AbigailAdams

    November 7th, 2012

    My suggestion and urging is to (re)read Paine’s words regarding “The Crisis”. Glean what you can as metaphors for our current situation and ask yourself if you’re up to it. If you are then fight. Fight alone if you must, but fight. As Tim, above, said, if there is no response to this there’s no chance of a victory. What is at stake may not even be regained in our lifetimes, but what the heck, do you have something else better you have to do for the next 4 years? Make the calls, write the letters, retrain your children, go back to church, and TALK. Talk all the damn time about what’s being stolen from us and what it should be like under the constitution.

    http://www.ushistory.org/Paine/crisis/c-01.htm

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  27. Menderman

    November 7th, 2012

    @Sorry Butt,

    fess up on all your screen names. I have one, have had the same name for 4 years here. Just pick a name and stick to it.

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  28. Birdie Num Num

    November 7th, 2012

    Sorry Jonah, The whale has eaten you.

    The Republic is over.
    It’s now the USSA with an accompanying third world economic culture and nihilistic society.

    As you will witness happening with extreme prejudice over the coming months and next few years.

    The response will ultimately ,probably be coming in the form of civil war which may lead to a new beginning.

    BTW, I am now limiting my political blogs to IOTW, Protein Wisdom, Barnhardt.biz and Michelle Malkin.

    I refuse to patronize Hot Gas and AoS anymore and any other of their wonkish, compromising clones.

    Also,
    THE. MSM. MUST. DIE.

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  29. Sorry, but I told you so

    November 7th, 2012

    Gorgo.

    If I ever used any others (can’t recall at the moment) they were one-shots used as gags.

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  30. scr_north

    November 7th, 2012

    This is the first I’ve read that McCain got more votes then Romney. Geezuz. I guess the question I’d ask is where the hell was Sarah Palin. I’ll bet she asked, hell I’ll bet she begged for a chance to get out there and get votes for the cause and the suits in Romney’s camp laughed her off or thought she’d fire up the liberal base. Stupid bastards. They probably told her to stay in the background for the best of the party. She played the good soldier but now it’s time for the Grizzly to come out roaring. Well, I’ll also bet the Tea Party isn’t giving up and starts to work in earnest to clean out the GOP of these Cocktail Party, Trust Fund assholes that run it now.
    Geezuz, I’m still pissed off and not a little scared about the next 4 years.

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  31. Carlos The Jackal

    November 7th, 2012

    THe GOP ran the guy that lost the nomination to McLame last time.
    What did we expect?

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  32. FreeMan & Sarah Screwed Again

    November 7th, 2012

    McLame had one asset that Mitt did not have –

    S A R A H ! ! ! !

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  33. Mz McHorsey

    November 8th, 2012

    Numbers are proving out that those old ladies, etc, who voted GOP 4 yrs ago for McCain ‘just told their Sunday SChool Classes at church’ they would stay home and not vote for a Mormon…..and so they did. They deserve to lose everything they have, hold dear, and need to suffer pain beyond anything known to man or woman…..Damn their peasized brains to rot in their skulls……….

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