MATTHEWS: Well, because this is what the problem with your ticket is. You got the leader of the ticket…
SUNUNU: You know, here’s your problem. Here’s your problem: you guys don’t understand there’s a guy at the top of the ticket. I’m not dumb enough to pick the fact that the guy at the second place is going to call the shots.
MATTHEWS: Okay, I get your point, and here’s the point. We can talk about Romney, but we can’t talk about his years at Bain.
SUNUNU: Sure you can.
MATTHEWS: We can talk about Ryan, but not about his budget. In other words, whatever these guys have done before we can’t talk about.
SUNUNU: Well, let’s talk about, we can talk about the fact that Obama did take $716 billion out of Medicare.
MATTHEWS: The same exact number by the way which Ryan takes away in his budget. Go ahead. Same number.
SUNUNU: Not in the Romney budget, and if you want to debate a budget that’s not going to be policy, that’s up to you.
MATTHEWS: Okay, we got to go.
SUNUNU: But the public is going to debate a program that is being put up as the policy for this ticket.
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