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UPDATE: http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=143795

This update is specifically for the AoS community. AoS linked this post, I’d comment over there, but

it seems iOwnTheWorld is banned.

I read the comments at AoS and many people were saying that AoS is being criticized for not blogging about Jihad. When was that stated? The charge is that there seems to be an accepted way to blog about jihad and an unacceptable way, and Pamela Geller’s way is unacceptable, so much so that there is a “No Atlas Shrugs” policy in place, but oddly only at the upper tier blogs. It’s odd that middle sites down have no problem at all with Atlas Shrugs. They must be idiots, I guess.

Geller’s, and Robert Spencer’s, position is that the top level blogs are slowly buying into the notion that we have to watch what we say because insulting “moderate Islam” would  mean we’re unhinged and we have “gone too far,” a phrase I saw a lot in the AoS comments section.

This isn’t a matter of too little linkage from these sites, it’s a matter of zero linkage. That’s remarkable, considering Atlas Shrugs is one of the top blogs on the right. None of these sites found the historic first amendment win for Geller over Islam newsworthy? It was a tad important, I thought. This moment went largely unnoticed. I wish the case was won by someone else so that the AoS or Weasel Zippers or Hot Air or Twitchy or Michelle Malkin audience could have heard about it and commented about it, but of course it wasn’t anyone else – it was Pamela Geller who won that case, the whore. (I use this word specifically because there is an ex-iOTW commenter who is now an AoS commenter who is saying that iOTW deletes comments. I remember the comments. I didn’t delete them, Mr. Pinko did. I guess he didn’t think that comments that were calling Pamela Geller everything from a whore to a c*nt were appropriate to leave on the site considering Geller is a friend and a colleague that reads our site. But the disgruntled commenter didn’t see it that way. Oh well. He’s found a home at AoS.)

What if I assured everyone that Pamela wasn’t wearing a bikini in court, or that the 3 panel of judges didn’t find her voice annoying, or whatever other childish shit the readers of AoS trotted out? Christ, even if  some other batshit crazy screeching harpy won that case it was won for our side. This “No Atlas” policy couldn’t even be lifted for one story, huh?

I link to every site I mentioned above, and I will continue to link when the stories are important.

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Atlas Shrugs has published a story that I consider a bombshell. I was going to characterize it as inside baseball, but it’s not. This should concern everyone equally.

The post is about the slow, steady march towards the whitewashing of jihad- Creeping Silence, if you will, and as Atlas points out, silence is sanctioning.

Michelle Malkin is named at the top of the article as someone who is not as vociferous as she once was on the topic of counter jihad. She used to link regularly asked Robert Spencer to produce a series called, “Blogging the Quran,”  when she was at the helm of Hot Air, then it was abruptly pulled. Atlas speculates that this decision coincided with Malkin’s rise as a television fixture at Fox News. The inference is clear, do you want a career or do you want to be a shunned “Islamophobe?”

Is this a stretch? Ask Erick Erickson of Red State, whose comment about Judge Souter being a “goat fu**ing child molester” was trotted out by the left in an attempt to block him from movin’ on up to the deluxe CNN contributor slot in the sky.

What’s the message received? If you want to move up in the caste system you better clean up your act, and that, you’ll see, includes any uncomfortable remarks about Islam.

Atlas:

It irked me that the party of constitutional rights and individual rights would adhere to the blasphemy laws under the sharia (do not criticize or offend Islam).

Which is worse: the left’s vocal support of the sharia or the right’s silence? The silence is more insidious. At least you know where you stand with the left. The following email came from a new blogger who was communicating with me on an unrelated issue. He used to blog at a very well known, well-trafficked right wing blog, one of the biggest. When I made a passing remark about the blogger’s negative behavior toward me, the new blogger responded [names redacted]:

Wow. I didn’t know you were aware of XXXX’s attitude towards you. He is nasty. He hides it well but if you displease him he’ll lash out at you.  He got pissed at me when I posted an article that made Rick Perry look bad.  He changed my headline and comment.

I posted a link to one of your blog posts in early 2011. Another blogger on the site pulled the link to you and sent me an email saying stay away from posting links to Atlas. He said XXXX [the owner of the blog] would get mad.

I think it also had to do with the fact that XXXX  changed the blog’s policy towards Islamic issues. I used to post uncensored stuff about Islam. Pictures with insults to Allah, swastikas on muslim terrorists, cartoons I made saying “Heil Allah!”

In December 2010, XXXX decided to tone down XXXX and make it more like a Hot Air style site. He told me to stop insulting Islam because he wanted to attract advertising and make a living from doing XXXX. I complied with his wishes and toned down not only Islam stuff but other subjects as well. I gradually became disenchanted with posting at XXXX My daily output became less and less.

While reading this I immediately had 2 bloggers in mind that would fit this description. The first was Ace of Spades. Ace was a Perryite who famously published a public attack towards Pamela Geller. He’s  also shown that he’s willing to modify his act, and the reader’s behavior.

My second pick was Weasel Zippers. I thought of them because Weasel did not participatie in Everyone Blog About Brett Kimberlin Day, the name Brett Kimberlin and Weasel Zippers do not appear together in a Google search, nor does the term SWATing or Swatting. Using the search feature on his blog doesn’t produce any matches for either entry either.

That sounds like a guy interested in making a career from blogging. No need for his blog to get on a serial litigator’s radar, letting all the other schmucks do that story.

Atlas continues:

By Sept. 2011, I was not posting much at all. Then I made the mistake of posting a couple of items XXXX thought were insulting to muslims. I wrote a headline for an article about a muslima weightlifter who wanted to wear hijab in competition. It said: “Muslima Weightlifter Demands Right To Wear Slave Garb In Competition.” He pulled it within minutes and wrote a new headline saying, “wear head gear.”  Then he censored a comment I made on another Islam related post. The last straw came when I posted another “insult to islam.” It was a humorous post not nasty at all, but he pulled my comment and picture.

That was the end for me. He sent me an email saying thanks for your contribution to XXXX. Have a nice day. That was it after all I did to help build XXXX traffic for over a year. When I joined the traffic was at a certain level for a long time. I introduced humorous pictures, comments and articles and upgraded the graphics quality on my posts and his. Traffic went up at a steady pace. The audience grew tremendously. He talked to me more like a partner than just a contributor.

That’s what upset me most, but it’s OK because I was unhappy there anyway. I couldn’t express myself the way I wanted to so it’s better that I moved on. I’m doing what I want on my own blog.

And here is a second email from the same writer:

I remembered another thing about Islam related censorship at XXX. After I left, I checked my old posts for reference for a wordpress blog I set up at HUB. When I looked at the Islam stuff I found XXXX had gone back and deleted any pictures and commentary I wrote that might be offensive. What he does now is, he covers muslim related issues but without saying anything offensive. His headlines are just descriptions of what a muslim jihadist did, without saying something critical. Instead of using an insulting term, he’ll say “Muslim Terrorists Burn Churches.” His comments under the pictures say “Christians must express outrage at this kind of attack.” He will not say something attacking Islam in any way. He leaves the nasty comments to his fans in the comments section. They say “Islam must be destroyed!” He never gets his hands dirty. Here are some examples of old XXXX posts of mine that XXXX censored/scrubbed from his site:

“8-Year-Old Boy Is Hanged by the Taliban…”

XXXX deleted my one word comment which was: “Barbarians.” It’s offensive to Muslims to call Taliban barbarians.

“Obama Remembers Muslim Victims of 9/11 at White House Ramadan Dinner…”

He deleted my picture of Obama at a White House dinner holding up a glass to toast someone. Obama had an evil look on his face. Offensive to Muslims?The last post I did on XXXX was a story about Muslim day at Great Adventure Park. I put up a picture of a muslim man and burka wearing woman riding on a Ferris wheel. The caption was: “Allahu Akbarf!” It was just a lame joke about people getting sick on amusement park rides, but XXXX saw it and pulled the caption within minutes after I posted it. The next day he got rid of me. There are many others but I guess you can get an idea of what he did to hide his past as an “Islamophobe.” LOL!

I’m going to go out on a limb and say that this unnamed ex-blogger worked for Weasel Zippers.

It would have been very easy to confirm my suspicion if it were not for the very fortuitous unfortunate timing of Weasel Zippers new redesign being taken down by “a hacker,” None of their old links work, they merely link you to the front page.

I guess you can call this a new beginning for them, where they will toe the line from this point forward. Isn’t this exciting? We have a new site getting their marching orders from the other corporate sites above them in the caste system, the system that tells you not to link to certain sites if you “wanna make a living in this blogging woild, know what I mean, kid?”

Good luck Zippers, sleep well. Maybe Islam will cut your head off last.

UPDATE:

I’m told that the dead links on Weasel Zippers are due to hacking. But I’ve also received confirmation, independent of Atlas Shrugs, that the site being discussed below is Weasel Zippers.

I’m also receiving messages from other sources that seem eager to share with me that this is not paranoia and is indeed a coordinated effort to stunt Atlas Shrugs. An editor of a brand new highly trafficked site informed a confidant of mine that Atlas Shrugs will not be linked. This made my eye go all twitchy.

Question: What will be gained by making Pamela Geller go away?

UPDATE 2: I’ve just read the comments and I can understand the protective attitude towards Weasel Zippers, and I fully understand I’m not making any friends by posting this. But I don’t blog to make friends. I don’t blog to intentionally make enemies. I blog primarily to test the limits of the first amendment, and that includes not self-censoring about Islam. Many are pointing out that WZ blogs about jihad, true. But the ex-employee points out that WZ has replaced or removed completely his editorializing, like when Slave Garb was replaced with Head Gear.

What’s happening is a slow retreat from “antagonizing.” He’s posting stories straight down the line and letting the comments do the dirty work, which is not the way things were done in the past. This is his right, of course, and it’s not what I have a problem with. Perhaps even a behind close doors coordinated effort to not link to a colleague’s site is their right too, but I do believe it deserves an explanation. Atlas Shrugs is a monumental force which continually tests whether the coming wave of Islam is constitutionally compliant, and  she has shown that it is not. What exactly is the problem with Atlas? Her accent? Her lipstick?

Just asking questions here.

UPDATE 3- Robert Spencer confirms my suspicions. This is distressing.

How the Right abandoned the resistance to jihad

» 519 Comments

  1. taudry audry

    July 30th, 2012

    I don’t think it’s weasel zippers. They announced early this morning that the site got hacked. That’s why it looks different.

    And he is pretty ruthless with the comments about islam.

    I just received confirmation that the site in question is indeed Weasel Zippers. -bfh

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  2. Maudie N Mandeville

    July 30th, 2012

    I for one would NEVER sell out within reason.

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  3. cfm990

    July 30th, 2012

    Sad to think fame and fortune trumps honesty and character.

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  4. California Dreaming

    July 30th, 2012

    I have been telling anyone that will listen (since late 2009) that Ace of AoSHQ is not to be trusted.

    I never followed Weasel Zippers.

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  5. Clay

    July 30th, 2012

    I totally agree. The last major contribution the muslims made toward was the introduction of the number 0 (zero). They are a blight on civilization with a desire to destroy whoever disagrees with their aberrant ambition.

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  6. Snarky Basterd

    July 30th, 2012

    BFH: See my DMs to you on Twitter, when you get a chance.

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  7. MADJACK

    July 30th, 2012

    I’m hoping this assumption about Zippers is wrong. He does have a number of anti-islam threads today and as Taudry Audry said he was hacked last night or early this AM.

    I do however believe there is a very strong move by the left to appease islam and muslims. How anyone in America cannot remember 9/11 is beyond me and burns me. Just take quick look at my Avatar if you have forgotten! :mad: There is only one way to appease islmam I believe, total annihilation. I am behind Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer 100%. They are to me both very courageous and should be admired and respected by all Americans who love their country.

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  8. WZ got hacked. Besides, he’s always doing counter-jihad blogging. It’s not him. I think it’s Erick Erickson, who’s a perv IMHO.

    Sadly, Donald, I was right. It is Weasel Zippers. – bfh

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  9. even steven

    July 30th, 2012

    Elite? I think effete would be more accurate.

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  10. GRIZZ

    July 30th, 2012

    Your telling me Zip is a shitbag?

    I dont believe it for one second.

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  11. WiscoDave

    July 30th, 2012

    Also don’t think ZIP has gone bad. He says he got hacked and is askimg for help with WordPress.
    I believe there is an anti islam post almost daily.
    You’re wrong on this one, can’t speak for the others…

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  12. WiscoDave

    July 30th, 2012

    AMEN, GRIZZ!!!!!

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  13. Anonymous

    July 30th, 2012

    You’re wrong about WZ. He’s consistently counter-Jihad. Ever seen his flying Jihadis!?!

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  14. xthred

    July 30th, 2012

    If you review my commenting history you’ll see that many times I’ve said, “Eff Weasel Zippers.”. For one, that douce banned me without explanation. This is after I sent about $100 to his tip jar. For another, they allow themselves to be a welcoming home to Palin haters.

    HA and Ace are Party hacks.

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  15. xthred

    July 30th, 2012

    One more thing. Eff Weasel Zippers.

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  16. Katechon

    July 30th, 2012

    Can somone explain to me the trajectory of David Frum.

    I went out of the loop for a while — nomadizing in the East — from tokyo to Bangkok.

    Last time, Frum was ferociously anti-Islam, writing with Pearl about “The End of Evil”.

    Now he’s on CNN and HuffPost writing the 2nd Amendment and silent about islam and almost promoting socialism…

    :shock:

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  17. Unneutral

    July 30th, 2012

    The creeping crud of the Middle East just keeps oozing over the ignorant.

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  18. GRIZZ

    July 30th, 2012

    You sent about a hundred bucks,…or you sent a hundred bucks?

    Dont know,or you cant count to a hundred?

    As for Palin bashing,never seen it from the locals

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  19. Lady in Red

    July 30th, 2012

    Well. Let’s see: on the right side of the church we have:

    .. the noble folk who believe that women should be no more than incubating ovens, forced to birth at all times because of *your* beliefs….

    …and gays should be second class citizens, denied rights afforded to the special *you*….

    ..and evil, corrupting drugs must be stamped out.

    On the left side of the church we have:

    …Rahm Emmanuel who intends to ban all Chick Fil A locations from Chicago because they believe in “traditional values,” men should stay married to their first wives

    ….and “feminists” who believe in peace and tolerance and understanding for Sharia law, even if “cultural differences” cause an occasional honor killing or beheading

    …and the “silence” of, even, the military about the Ft Hood massacre as just a “work place violence” incident.

    ..and the dreamers who believe that if only we, finally, ban all guns sweetness and light will prevail, the bad guys won’t get ‘em.

    Hard for me to pick a side in this church, which loons annoy me more. Or less. ….Lady in Red

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  20. MaryfromMarin

    July 30th, 2012

    @Unneutral–

    You said it far more politely than I would have. Islam is our number one threat, have said that from the beginning. Its corrosive influence destroys almost everything it touches.

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  21. MaryfromMarin

    July 30th, 2012

    Delete “almost”.

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  22. Tim

    July 30th, 2012

    Any “conservative” who desires “fame and fortune” must tone down the rhetoric into pabulum for the “mainstream.” The stimulus was a criminal act shich used tax dollars to pay off the unions, Solyndra was a criminal act which used tax dollars to pay off socialist donors, islam is called the religion of peace when it is glaringly obvious that it is a cult of murderous pedophiles, Europe’s debt is 10 times what’s being reported, Socialist Security and Medicare were destined to fail – point to someone who is telling the truth AND making money at it.

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  23. WiscoDave

    July 30th, 2012

    Agree with GRIZZ.
    Don’t see a pattern of Palin haters.
    @xthred: ever consider that maybe you’re the douche?
    Just sayin’…

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  24. WiscoDave

    July 30th, 2012

    One more thing. Eff xthred…

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  25. F.D.R. in Hell

    July 30th, 2012

    America is under attack on so many fronts, you’re going to need six Winston Churchills to survive.

    Sad.

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  26. Laughing At Islam

    July 30th, 2012

    FOX NEWS IS PARTLY OWNED BY A SAUDI PRINCE WHO HAS ALSO EXERTED HIS INFLUENCE TO KEEP FOX NEWS SILENT ABOUT OBAMA’S FORGED IDENTITY DOCUMENTS. IT IS ALSO RUMORED THAT THE SAME SUADI PRINCE CONTRIBUTED AS MUCH AS 20 MILLION DOLLARS FOR OBAMA’S HARVARD EDUCATION.

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  27. Laughing At Islam

    July 30th, 2012

    I should have typed Saudi Prince in the post above. The letter reversal is due to my dyslexia and poor typing skills.

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  28. WiscoDave

    July 30th, 2012

    @F.D.R in Hell:
    Hopefully we’ll bring one of them back in November!

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  29. General P. Malaise

    July 30th, 2012

    @katechon

    frum is scum. always has been. at least now he is calling himself a leftwing prog.

    he and other pretend conservatives have thrown in with the progs. they are bought and paid for prostitutes.

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  32. listingstarboard

    July 30th, 2012

    Weasel Zippers is extremely anti Jihadist, they regularly show clips of Terrorists getting blown to shreds. WZ is absolutely pro US soldier and have great pix of our troops in action. SO LAY OFF.

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  33. Above, what he said!

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  34. obuma

    July 30th, 2012

    WZ loves the muzz.

    i’ll cut the debt in half

    moo doesnt have a dick.

    My Connecticut SS# is valid.

    I never sucked a dick.

    Im a great golfer………ad nausem barf bag

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  35. xthred

    July 30th, 2012

    I have fans!

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  36. Grandpa

    July 30th, 2012

    Thanks for posting this BIG you glorious bastard. Excellent. What you describe is exactly what I too witness… I call it the Decepticon influence on Truthful advancement.

    Many, nah, wrong word.. MOST, of the former “patriotic blogs” have cow-towed to Cultural Marxism for what?

    The root of all evil, that’s what.

    Drudge is now the CNN of the blogosphere, and many others are following the pussified suit of white washed namby pamby chickenshits…. and it ain’t just about Islamo scum either.

    Damn near everyone of the bastards who used to call the baby ugly have lowered the bar to “try not to offend level” otherwise known as “standfornothingville”…

    Phuck em all… Truth has no agenda.

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  37. Katechon

    July 30th, 2012

    @General P. Malaise

    Thanks. I met a few times between 2001 & 2007, and I liked the guy.

    Now he’s anti-guns, and virtually endorsing individual mandates, and silent about the evil of Islam.

    Sad.

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  38. Jaynie59

    July 30th, 2012

    Robert Spenser was a guest blogger at Hot Air and he posted the Blogging The Quran series (which he had started at Jihad Watch) there every Sunday and he engaged people in the comments. I don’t have any doubt at all that it was Ed Morrisey who was behind Michelle pulling the plug. I’m also sure he had no problem getting AP to back him up. The comments could get quite heated, but Robert has the patience of a saint and he had no problem dealing with it. Robert and I went at it a couple of times because as an atheist I felt he was far too “reasonable”. But the man is a saint in my opinion, so when they stopped it around September of 2008 we were all pretty shocked.

    I’m pretty sure it was Ed who wrote the post explaining that they were ending the series because the election was heating up and they didn’t have time for it. That was bullshit. Complete and utter bullshit. The posts were put up on Sunday mornings and the blog was dead back then on the weekends. Dead. Robert policed the comments so it’s not like they were being over worked by the comments. Michelle caved. Of course she did.

    As far as Ace goes? The man can’t wipe his own ass without checking with AP first. Hell, he can’t even write a movie review without arguing with himself.

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  39. Florida Girl

    July 30th, 2012

    WZ??? WTF. For real.
    I dont know guys.
    But I do have to say ……. I STAND WITH PAM
    NO matter what. That girl is sharp and a truth teller for sure!

    I have noticed something weird about conservo sites(more with the gay”marriage” thing”) that seems contradictory . I could never quite put my finger on it. Now I know. There’s an agenda.
    Thanks for the heads up IOTW, I will proceed with caution.

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  40. Geri

    July 30th, 2012

    What will it profit us if we conservatives become suspicious of each other and begin infighting? The left would be overjoyed and will certainly egg it on.

    MAYBE there is such an abundance of evil to be addressed that people are finding it necessary to choose their battles carefully in order to fight to the best of their own abilities.

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  41. ruble

    July 30th, 2012

    Don’t buy it about zip. His war porn is priceless.

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  42. Anon

    July 30th, 2012

    A lot of co-bloggers over at WZ have just dropped off the radar screen with no explanation from Zip. I’ve often wondered about that.

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  43. Lizzy

    July 30th, 2012

    This is in line with Diane West’s most recent column (any many before then) that was spiked by the Washington Examiner. West has identified Huma Abedin’s direct ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, in addition to the those of Huma’s parents and brother.
    http://preview.tinyurl.com/bumb3oc

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  44. Katechon

    July 30th, 2012

    I got banned on AofSpades only be pasting very small quotes of Ann Barnhardt, whom I respect and admire.

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  45. BigFurHat

    July 30th, 2012

    Well, only Zip can either confirm or deny if this ex-employee is full of shit or not.

    Hey, I hope I’m wrong.
    I hope I’m the one full of shit.
    But I’m not going to sit on a story that makes me furious because I’m worried about the “food chain.”

    I’m not, never was.

    Hey, I would love to get 100k views a day. But it would have to happen because people are into what I have to say, not because somebody advised me on what not to say.

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  46. BigFurHat

    July 30th, 2012

    Again, I respect everyone’s opinion when they say “I don’t buy it about, Weasel Zippers.”

    And I hope everyone knows they have nothing to fear if they want to go further and call me a sack of shit, or whatever.

    I’m not going to obsess about this.
    I would love for this to lead to a completely transparent conversation and then we move on.
    I’ll just continue doing what I do -
    making fun of the left and Islam and not caring if people think I’m an asshole.

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  47. Thinkin and a wonderin

    July 30th, 2012

    A couple of friends started having their comments deleted at WZ for no apparent reason. Now one of them is blocked and cannot post at all. We talked about it and it is hard to put a finger on the cause when you look at some of the posts that are not deleted.
    It reminds me of a past girlfriend who used to do some strange shit when her time of the month came around. The rest of the time she was just great.
    So …. ???????

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  48. taudry audry

    July 30th, 2012

    I think you should have waited to confirm that it was Weasel Zippers before posting the first post. There’s so much rumor and bullcrap on the internet that it’s better to verify first, in my opinion.

    It’s sad that Weasel Zippers has chosen this path, along with so many other conservative sites. Pamela is a warrior who does in depth research on islam and it’s stealth take-over of our country. She is a warrior like no other!

    Maybe some of these bloggers are afraid or had their life threatened. Some people are not as brave as Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer.

    But if they are doing it to fit into the “I’m not an islamophobe and I want the spineless right wing to love me” narrative, then they are the lowest of low cowards.

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  49. Katechon

    July 30th, 2012

    The only blogger I trust besides Barnhardt is that dude:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yosemite_Sam

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  50. bocephus rex

    July 30th, 2012

    Be very careful peeps……….the left would love nothing more than to dive those of us on the right. Think about that, please!

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  51. Czar of Defenestration

    July 30th, 2012

    “Hey, I would love to get 100k views a day.”
    You could always post videos of your male stripper routine.

    What’s to be gained by marginalizing Pam Geller is the slow march of the Caliphate. Those “in power” on the Right blogosphere are still human…meaning corruptible to money and power.

    They *should* know better. Heh. Well, yes. Yes indeed.
    That’s why we have superheroes like Pamela,and invaluable, shameless, self-promoting, well-hatted charlatans like you.
    I am not a charlatan!!-bfh

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  52. MaryfromMarin

    July 30th, 2012

    @Czar–

    “What’s to be gained by marginalizing Pam Geller is the slow march of the Caliphate.”

    That sentence should have been put in bold, too. One million per cent accurate.

    If it hadn’t been for Pamela’s efforts, we’d be looking at a Victory Mosque at Ground Zero right now.

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  53. Justsomebody

    July 30th, 2012

    Zip went over the sand-dune? F*ck.

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  54. DizzyMissL

    July 30th, 2012

    Wait a minute. WZ always has these hilarious “good news” posts about when muzzies accidentally blow themselves up.

    I think you have the wrong blog.

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  55. BigFurHat

    July 30th, 2012

    Geri,
    I don’t see this as infighting. I’m not “fighting” with anyone. I’m defending. Sure, this seems like a flame thread. It’s not. I like their site. I urge people to keep visiting it and supporting it. I hope he makes a living at it.
    But why the intentional ratf*cking of Atlas Shrugs? And particularly when, as everyone is saying, Zip blogs about Islam. Then why no linkage to one of the premier counter-jihad sites in the world? Is it personal? Were they told not to link? Do they know why they were told? Do they just take marching orders from up the chain of command unblinkingly?
    I know, Zip has to make a living??? How does shunning Atlas enhance that living?

    BTW, Atlas struggles to create ads that get tested in the courts. This is for us, not her. After SHE WINS A MONUMENTAL FREE SPEECH CASE there were “crickets* out there.
    WTF is going on?
    I know, I know… space is precious on the web. You pay by the square inch and that cuts into your living wage.
    Give me a friggin break. Something smells in Denmark. I’d like to know what it is. I think this is a dialogue that needs to happen.
    We can walk and chew gum at the same time. This won’t distract and I am well aware that we are 100 days from the most important election of our lifetime.

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  56. Robert Spencer

    July 30th, 2012

    Yes, it’s Weasel Zippers. See my update here:

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/how-the-right-abandoned-the-resistance-to-jihad.html

    Cordially
    Robert Spencer

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  57. cass s

    July 30th, 2012

    infiltrate the groups

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  58. Corny

    July 30th, 2012

    The hypocracy of the left in defending Mussey’s while defending homosexuals and women’s rights is like a sheephearder that hires wolves. It doesn’t make any sense to me.

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  59. Chango Butt

    July 30th, 2012

    Nice Jugs.

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  60. RightWinger

    July 30th, 2012

    I’m 100% behind Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer, telling it like it is. Truth hurts? Hurts less than having the sword put to the back of your neck for being an “infidel”.

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  61. uncivil & right

    July 30th, 2012

    Ummm, not so fast about WZ. He doesn’t have that many co-bloggers,only one I’m familiar with,the blog is basically a news aggregate with snarky lead ins. That being said, lots of counter jihad stories and discussion,some very rough. Yes, the Pam and Spencer bashing was uncalled for and many said so. No idea what it is all about. As for deleting comments, there has been an ongoing problem with wordpress disappearing random posts, nothing personal, unless you’re a persistent troll.

    If I’m wrong, would like to know, no desire to waste my time with those who go along to get along.

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  62. Czar of Defenestration

    July 30th, 2012

    Robert S., You are über-groovy. Amazing information. Thanks for all you do!

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  63. Jerry Manderin

    July 30th, 2012

    Perhaps a Winston is being raised as we speak. Maybe the New Winston is already here among us. I can’t imagine God letting his Earth go to hell.

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  64. michellesbigbeaver

    July 30th, 2012

    Sorry to see WZ aquiesce. I was getting nervous about his site for a little under 1 year now. The progressives have evolved from using Alinsky Techniques right into using Sun Tzu’s Art of War Strategies: Sun Tzu: “the clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy and does not allow the enemy’s will to be imposed on him.”

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  65. vizslak72

    July 30th, 2012

    BFH,

    Tell it like you see it. There are many formerly conservitive sites that have been pussified. I actually used to like TownHall; can only find the occasional readable article there. Pamela G has always been a straight shooter although I sometimes get overwhelmed by the depths and extent of Muslim depravity. Keep it coming for we all need to know the truth.

    JS

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  66. Toaster

    July 30th, 2012

    Effing cowards !

    if I remember correctly, Churchill was excoriated as a fear monger and worse for being against the NAZIs in the 1930s in England. Your recent post from Aalmost Midnight about the inherent threat from Mosques reminded me of reading Churchill biographies.

    As for the quislings, I wash my hands of them WITH THIS !

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  67. Toaster

    July 30th, 2012

    EVERYONE should read Robert Spencers post linked in his comment upstream in this thread.

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  68. C.

    July 30th, 2012

    Team Geller/BFH all the way.

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  69. General P. Malaise

    July 30th, 2012

    @Katechon

    here is another blog you can trust. http://www.debbieschlussel.com/

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  70. Jaynie59

    July 30th, 2012

    Everyone should search Wikipedia for Alinsky’s Rules For Radicals and read it. This is all Rule #12. Pamela Gellar and Robert Spenser and Frank Gafney and all the rest who have been trying to spread the word about Islam have been Alinsky’d.

    So-called conservative bloggers don’t want to link to or support people like Pamela and Robert for one very simple reason: embarrassment. They care much more what the David Frum’s and the David Brooks think of them than they do what’s true and honest and important to the conservative cause or the future of the country. They’re embarrassed. Rush Limbaugh embarrasses them. Mark Levin embarrasses them. Sean Hannity embarrasses them. Andrew Breitbart embarrasses them still.

    Damn them. They link to Buzzfeed, which is actively trying to destroy Andrew’s legacy. They link to Mediaite, which is run by scum like Tommy Christopher who hated Andrew. Why? Because they want to be liked and seen as “reasonable”. It’s much easier for a conservative to turn on his own than it is to fight the liberal agenda.

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  71. Katechon

    July 30th, 2012

    @General P. Malaise

    Well thank you General!

    And God Bless Robert Spencer !!

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  72. Anon

    July 30th, 2012

    There USED to be several co-bloggers on the WZ site.

    I remember D-Lo in particular. She was even more prolific than Zip and totally brought the anti Jihad snark – then one day she was just gone. And there were another couple of guys whose handles escape me.

    Since then it has just been Zip and WM, although this weekend a new guy named William Amos showed up (and made a bunch of typos in his posts haha).

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  73. reddecaesari

    July 30th, 2012

    off topic, i am having difficult with badblue news feed. anyone else?

    geller and spencer speak truth.
    nothing to debate about islam.
    it is the enemy.

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  74. Anonymous

    July 30th, 2012

    I wanted you to be wrong, but it looks like you were right and I was wrong and it’s the crappy update I didn’t want it to be.
    Pamela is awesome. So are you. I renew my efforts to wake people up in your names.

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  75. Malodorus Malcontent

    July 30th, 2012

    Christ on a pogo stick!

    When did it become a shocking bombshell that those on the right blogoshere join the mainstream media complicit in various lies?!?!

    Last I checked the United States Supreme Court made a precedential call on who we as Americans consider eligible for the Presidency per Minor v Happersett. Not much interest in this area outside the fringe sites like WND and worse.

    Those at RedState et al have gone out of their way to ridicule, in a manner Alinsky would be proud, those that can read and understand a high court opinion of these United States.

    -a nutty birther

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  76. Czar of Defenestration

    July 30th, 2012

    @reddecaesari
    Bad Blue has been working fine for me today.

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  77. sheryl

    July 30th, 2012

    I found Pamela’s article this morning to be quite disturbing. I guess my gut told me something was different but could never pin point. I didn’t think about it as much as I should have. As for WZ, I have never visited the site, never heard of it until I saw it here. Personally, I don’t think the name weasle zippers sounds very promising. I am glad I never lost any time over that.

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  78. xthred

    July 30th, 2012

    @GRIZZ & WiscoDave, What do you think of the Update?

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  79. mossomo

    July 30th, 2012

    It’s momma who used to blog at WZ that went silent. 110% she is the one referenced. She dogged Michelle O and slammed islam. Funny as hell. I noticed she stop blogging sometime ago. Zip never got back to me on why. Now I know.

    It wasn’t Momma, who was my favorite blogger over there, btw. -bfh

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  80. CrustyB

    July 30th, 2012

    The more Rick Perry was exposed as a liberal, the more liberal Ace of Spades became just so they could continue justifying him for president. Those section eight RINOS really went off on Pam and Robert when they factually exposed Perry as a tool for whitewashing Islam.

    Regarding Debbie Schlussel, she’s a Palin-bashing troll who cheered when CBS journalist Lara Logan was viciously raped in Egypt. Schlussel a profoundly sick, deranged pig of a woman and I trust her about as far as I could toss my car.

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  81. BigFurHat

    July 30th, 2012

    Just another word before I get back to my dog and pony show.
    I want to be clear.
    This is in no way meant to “take down Weasel Zippers.”
    They are a GREAT SITE, and an asset to “our side.’ even with the watered down corporate coverage of Islam.
    And I certainly won’t be holding a grudge against anyone that talks about them here, or links to them in comments, or comments on their site. Hell, I probably will link to them if they break a big story.
    If I didn’t I’d be a huge hypocrite, no?

    The purpose of all of this is to try and get a dialogue going so that we can get to what the agenda is here.
    It is important to know.

    Is there a problem with the way Geller is fighting the good fight? Well then, don’t let her continue doing what you think to be wrong without letting everyone in on it.
    We would like to know what the better path is.
    Make your case that changing Slave Garb to Head Gear is the correct way to go about fighting jihad.

    A question for anyone that might know this answer.
    Was Zip a big Rick Perry proponent?
    Was this his guy and was he pushing hard for him?

    I ask because it seems odd that Zip would burn the Spencer bridge because of Rick Perry when I don’t remember him being much of a fanboy. I could be wrong though.

    Hmmm, another question. Who WAS the big Rick Perry fanboy? And does his ass small like Zip’s tongue?

    (Okay, that was surly, but I am still reeling from Spencer’s post where he says Zip blamed him for the Norway murders.)

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  82. giamby

    July 30th, 2012

    I congratulate you, BFH, for keeping the truth alive! A couple years ago I heard a lot about Geert Wilders. I see nothing about him today.

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  83. BigFurHat

    July 30th, 2012

    Geert? He’s a NAZI, just ask Charles Johnson.

    You know, it’s funny.
    Everyone bashes Johnson, and rightly so, and then they totally buy into the Charles Johnson characterization of Geller.

    They Are All Charles Johnson’s Now! hehe

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  84. ruble

    July 30th, 2012

    BFH, I stand corrected. It’s tough to see a sellout. I thought better of zip.

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  85. bitterclinger

    July 30th, 2012

    To give credit where credit is due, Eric Dondero is always writing about the muzz and has been a fan of Geert Wilders for years. His response to commenters sounds juvenile at times, but he isn’t shy about calling a spade a spade where Islam is concerned.

    http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/

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  86. SgtZim

    July 30th, 2012

    Just give us fair warning BFH if you decide to sell out.

    Please don’t sell out. Thanks!

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  87. [...] iOwnThe World: Creeping Silence – How the Elite Right-Wing Blogosphere is Selling You Out [...]

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  88. Justsomebody

    July 30th, 2012

    BFH,

    I read WZ (and iOTW) almost every AM with coffee.
    I don’t remember them being in “the tank” for
    Perry. Of course many AM’s started
    around four thiry-ish (to beat the heat) so I may have missed something.

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  89. jclady

    July 30th, 2012

    @BFH — “Hmmm, another question. Who WAS the big Rick Perry fanboy? And does his ass small like Zip’s tongue?”

    Erick Erickson comes to mind.

    I have someone else in mind. In fact, they’re in this blogpost. And it’s a daisy chain of tongues that moves up the pecking order. An incestuous cabal of “elite bloggers.” Incestuous in the sense that with the vast, vast blogosphere to cull stories from, they usually only dutch rudder each other with linkage.- bfh

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  90. Katechon

    July 30th, 2012

    ” Buzzfeed, which is actively trying to destroy Andrew’s legacy.”

    How come? (Genuine Q, I’m clueless, but curious)

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  91. BigFurHat

    July 30th, 2012

    Ruble,
    As I said, I can understand everyone’s defense of WZ. It’s hard to comprehend. Hell, I want to comprehend it.
    But, seriously, support WZ. I understand he’s having a tough day today with a hacking, and that is some stressful, stressful stuff. So, I feel for them.

    My hope is that he would come clean as to what this campaign is, and for what reason. But I’m certainly not suggesting people stop going there. It’s a premier aggregation site. They do a great job.
    They just wandered a bit into the mafia business. hehe

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  92. GRIZZ

    July 30th, 2012

    If I have been caught with my dick in my hand,it wouldnt be the first time.

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  93. Katechon

    July 30th, 2012

    As an Intrade.com’s gambler, I’ve followed the primaries very closely, and waged a bunch.

    Ace was a big Perry fan-boy.
    Ed Morrissey caucused for Santorum.
    Drudge was a Romney man.
    Erickson was a Perry backer.

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  94. Jack Daniels

    July 30th, 2012

    Always been, always will be a fan of Atlas and Spencer.

    As for WZ, I’ve been there a few times but not enough to comment on what went , or rather, has been going down.

    Either way, if it ain’t standing for conservatives, it ain’t worth my time; it’s why I dropped Coulter long ago and will do so with any one who becomes a turncoat.

    Anyone who cowers in the face of the enemy, negates everything they did previously.

    My view may be harsh, but there is no longer the luxury of time for cowards.

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  95. General P. Malaise

    July 30th, 2012

    the muzzies are dug in deep.

    they are attacking all the bloggers that get any readership.

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  96. General P. Malaise

    July 30th, 2012

    if the muzzies cann’t buy them then they attack them.

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  97. ruble

    July 30th, 2012

    BFH, I know exactly what your’re saying. We all know that you’re not trying to drive traffic away from zip. That makes you a class act. But the truth is the truth and needs to see the light of day.

    I for one appreciate the way you have brought this to light, not in mean spirited or condescending way, but openly and honestly.

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  98. xthred

    July 30th, 2012

    And one more thing. I am not a douche. I’m an asshole.

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  99. General P. Malaise

    July 30th, 2012

    nasty business.

    I just deleted weasel from my bookmarks.

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  100. raoul

    July 30th, 2012

    This whole kerfuffle…something doesn’t meet the smell test

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  101. Corona

    July 30th, 2012

    Uh, ever heard of Lefties getting the Right to kerfuffle against themselves? Obviously it’s a convincing strategy. They seem to be doing it now.

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  102. Sadie

    July 30th, 2012

    BFH: It’s not just the blogs that are wilting under the threat of sharia. Michele Bachmann has been pilloried. I hope the link works below. It’s worth the read.

    Newt Staunchly Defends Bachmann et al on Muslim Brotherhood Influence Peddling →

    If not, you can pick it up here: http://www.ruthfullyyours.com/

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  103. 66chevelle

    July 30th, 2012

    RedState never was very big on exposing or criticizing Islam. I have been commenting off and on there pretty much since the site started, under another handle, and pretty much the only time Islam is ever mentioned is tangentially as an element in ME revolutions or wars. RedState also has a resident muslim as a contributor, although lately he only pops up in the comments section.

    I remember a thread related to banking 5 or 6 years ago, wherein I made a relevant comment expressing concern about creeping Sharia finance in the US, and another RedState Big jumped in to downplay any possible ill effect of same. That was where I started to get the mood at RedState regarding Islam.

    Around the time of the ’08 campaign, anyone who jumped on Obama’s middle name was quickly jumped on for making unhelpful breaches of etiquette, yet Erick was happy to hawk Obama-as-Antichrist mugs on the front page. I commented on this seeming dichotomy, but was ignored. At least I didn’t get banned.

    This past Spring, there was a thread at RedState praising PM David Cameron for something or other. It was around the same time where he had disparaged the EDL as “sick”, and I felt it necessary to comment that Cameron was no hero if he disparaged true British patriots in this way. Immediately, yet another Redstate Big pounced on me, declaring the EDL to be KKK hoodlums and linking leftist Euro-trash media to bolster his point. Several other commenters timidly questioned his stance, but he just went further over the top slamming Tommy Robinson and EDL. I just gave up and posted a link to the EDL site, and I told the others to go check it out before making up their minds.

    Maybe some of these sites which appear to be backing away from pointedly confronting and criticizing Islam will step back into the fray once the threat of lawfare diminishes, but this is one area where I fear Romney will be of no help. The main thing he could do to help is take away the Federal bludgeon the Islamists have. States and localities can be educated and empowered to effectively halt and roll back Islam, but they need to know the DOJ and the Judicial system have their back.

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  104. Anon

    July 30th, 2012

    “But why the intentional ratf*cking of Atlas Shrugs?”

    What’s the most consistent part of every money making site on the web?

    Starts with a G…

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  105. The Saw

    July 31st, 2012

    @Anon I found the Amos guy posts boring, bland, and he has zero sense of humor. Too straight laced for WZ. What rock did he come out from under?

    I noticed a very long time ago that Atlas was never linked, posted, or mentioned. I thought it was odd, now I know. I once linked a story from Atlas and it was gone, I just assumed it was computer related.

    It is really disheartening to think WZ has caved and sold out. It is a site I visit daily. I hope for their sake as well as their readers questions will be answered, to not do so is a slap in the face to their supporters. The site has such a solid base of commenters and most of them are hilarious. It is a unique blog that is for sure.

    It does make me wonder was the hack real, or fabricated? It is interesting that one can’t go back and look at old posts now that this information has come about. For now I will wait to see how the story unfolds. Time will tell.

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  106. BigFurHat

    July 31st, 2012

    The hack happened before Atlas posted her story. I think the hack is real and a weird coincidence.
    I highly doubt that Zip would memory hole his links, and I wasn’t really thinking straight when I mentioned this in the post.
    I actually thought what I was seeing was a redesign and thought, “isn’t that a bitch,
    just when I want to google the name of the posts the ex-contributor talked about, I can’t.”

    He’d be crazy to screw with past links, they have lots of value.

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  107. dagawker

    July 31st, 2012

    WZ is not afraid to state the realities of islam. Get your shit straight.I suppose the next thing you say,is that it was da joooooooooooooos! I’m getting kinda sick of reading bullshit about the people who you stand with Pam and Robert.Quit thinking everyone has the same reasons as you. We are not all jews ,but we all have an issue with islam…Jump to your conclusion and throw us back at the same time.

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  108. dagawker

    July 31st, 2012

    I forgot to tell you to smarten the fuck up.

    Robert Spencer is Jewish? That’s going to be news to the Spencer family. I think they must be made aware of this, it’s the right thing to do.
    Quick, smart guy, give the Christian a call and tell him he’s a Jew, you dumb antisemite. – bfh

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  109. xthred

    July 31st, 2012

    I hated WZ before it was cool.

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  110. AnusPresley

    July 31st, 2012

    I’ve never even been to Weasel Zippers

    but I fap to Debbie Schlussel – daily

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  111. WMInfidel

    July 31st, 2012

    Grover Norquist and the ACU sellout to Suhail Khan. The rot is deep.

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  112. Noah

    July 31st, 2012

    Wow!!
    I have been commenting on WZ for 4 years.
    I have never seen Zip shy away from slamming Islam.
    Daily we are telling goatfucking child molesting muslim to fuck off.

    I have linked to Geller on WZ and never had a problem with Zip from my Comments.

    Zip hates ISALM… BFH I enjoy your site a lot … I use to come here more but I have been having problems and only with your site it takes a very long time to loud to the point of kicking me off if I want to post..

    I stand by Zip. I stand by IOTW… I stand with Geller.. She’s been through a lot of shit.. She is standing strong.
    Everyone that post on WZ except the trolls hates Islam.

    I’ve never noticed Zip censuring anyone..

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  113. Noah

    July 31st, 2012

    load .. shit its early..

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  114. Noah

    July 31st, 2012

    One last thing.
    Zip has small children if he ask someone not to link maybe it’s because of death threats to them..That would shut me up too.

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  115. Jaynie59

    July 31st, 2012

    @Katechon about Buzzfeed and Breitbart.

    Buzzfeed is run by Ben Smith who was with Politico. He’s a liberal who is using the Buzzfeed Politics site to dilute any story that comes from the Right in general, but Breitbart in particular. The week after Andrew died and Breitbart had the tape of Obama with Derrick Bell, Buzzfeed scooped the story early in the day and showed an edited version of the tape to show that it was no big deal. That, of course, set the narrative and Joel Pollack and Ben Howe were challenged with that narrative in the interviews they gave. Remember Soledad O’Brien?

    Buzzfeed has done things like that ever since. They also hired Andrew Kaczynski, who is apparently well known in conservative circles so he’s not seen as the liberal tool he became when he went to work for Buzzfeed. I actually had one conservative blogger argue with me over linking to a Kaczynski piece at Buzzfeed because he claimed Kaczynski was a good guy. As far as I’m concerned if he works for Buzzfeed he’s scum. End of story.

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  116. Noah

    July 31st, 2012

    Last one.
    Not holding it against Zip if he needs to ad traffic to keep WZ going.
    If that means he can’t link to certain sites due to money issue I will let it pass.. He lets us do it.. So he can have his cake and eat it too.
    Gets the ads keeps the site open and trust us to help him continue the fight..

    I understand that.. I’m sorry if I’ve upset anyone here …
    Zip hates ISLAM that I’m 100% sure of.
    But you need to understand in these hard times with obama in office people may have to compromise a little to not get absorbed in to the failing economy never to be heard from again.
    Well then you do what you have to do and trust your friends to have your back until you can be free again…>economy improving.

    BFH what would you do it keep your blogs going?To take care of your family? WZ is what Zip has I want it to stay. Again if that means we who comment have to link to other sites then we will.

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  117. theJadedBarrel

    July 31st, 2012

    @ Noah
    If you read threw the thread you will see BFH fairly much saying similar things you advocate.

    @ dagawker said “da joooooooooooooos!”
    Where the h*ll did that come from?

    It is disconcerting that a blog site critical of Islam/Sharia doesn’t have a link to the most active site defending western philosophies and laws.

    @ BFH
    Hopefully, it’s just a misunderstanding and everything will clear up.

    being positive for being so jaded. theJaddedBarrel.

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  118. WiscoDave

    July 31st, 2012

    I’ll check out JW and WZ when I get home tonight. Both blocked at work.
    I, like GRIZZ, have been wavin’ in the wind before. Won’t say it can’t happen again…
    @xthred: you’re a douche. Not enough class to be an asshole.

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  119. Noah

    July 31st, 2012

    @theJaddedBarrel.
    I hope I didn’t sound like I was yelling at anyone I wasn’t I was just pointing out of things that could be influencing Zip more to the people who slammed Zip then BFH.

    I understand where he is coming from. I would understand if Zip had to tone it down to keep ads also.. It’s hard out here.. I don’t want Zip to lose traffic to WZ then things would really get bad for him.
    If he has had to tone it down.. I think it must also be driving him crazy.

    Maybe if we posters did a better job at donations then all of our
    Conservative sites could stay on line. (Cause we’re all so stinking rich according to the left) Sarc on.lol

    We get the benefit, while BFH, Zip, Geller, BNI, JW take all the risks.
    Seriously I wasn’t mad I was just pointing to facts that could and would influence people.
    Like I said we take none of the risks that people like Geller, Zip and BFH do.
    I’m going to make sure I save money every month to donate more to the Conservative sites…

    I hope again I didn’t offend anyone. Just wanted to offer other reasons. I realize a lot of people would say I’ll never compromise my belief and so forth but till we walk in their shoes we need to be more understanding.

    If Zip stopped posting anything about ISLAM. He would be called out on it. I know for a fact everyone calls out people all the time on WZ including Zip and WM if we aren’t getting enough of Flying Jihads,War Porn etc. I’m protective. I guess. I need my Daily Zip fix and I’m extremely loyal.

    I just wish this site would load right so I could come here more often. Seems to be doing well right now must be that it’s still pretty early the site is getting less traffic?

    I know I addressed my post at BFH but it was really meant for anyone else who reads the article and gets mad at Zip for it, I know BFH said maybe he is wrong and that he like WZ … I will do better next time at offering different points of few…
    Sorry.. Really I am..

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  120. Noah

    July 31st, 2012

    @theJaddedBarrel.

    dagawker said “da joooooooooooooos!”
    Where the h*ll did that come from?
    ****************

    That my friend is a long running joke over at WZ.
    Comes from the Muslim blaming da Joooooos for everything such as birds and sharks being trained to spy or attack Muslims.
    When Muslims are all outraged over other stupid shit’s they always blame Israel= da joooos.

    So it’s a joke nothing more..

    So

    So when something goes wrong and it makes no sense at all
    We blame da Joooooos..

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  121. dagawker

    July 31st, 2012

    @jaded barrel,It’s quite obvious to myself that you know nothing about WZ and the blog pertaining to this bullshit story.

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  122. Xavier

    July 31st, 2012

    There’s 2 issues here. First, the claim that WZ has sold out to the PC islamophobia notion, for gold. This comes from a disgruntled former employee – hardly an unbiased source – but even if it is true, so what? No one has to conform to The Unwritten Code Of Poverty Stricken Right Wing Bloggers. Second, there’s a claim of a Vast Right Wing Conspiracy against Geller. I love her work, mostly, but if she’s made herself too toxic for advertisers, why blame the symptom instead of the cause? I’m certainly not asking that she tone it down, but she and Spencer can’t hold the entire right blogosphere at fault for the realities of the marketplace. This is no different from the current Chick-fil-A fiasco – there, we’re asking people to vote with their wallets; here, advertisers have voted with their wallets and Spencer’s whining because he and Geller aren’t getting their fair share of the loot, or attention, or whatever rings his bell.

    I do not doubt that pisslam is the #1 threat to this country in the long run, and I greatly respect both Spencer and Geller for the stances they’ve taken. I’m not sure Spencer’s claim of fewer anti-jihad bloggers is entirely correct; there are new sites coming up all the time and today, everyone is a micro-blogger. If Spencer and Geller are truly dedicated to the cause – and I believe they are – they need to adapt to a constantly changing web environment instead of blaming others.

    Btw, love IOTW. Y’all keep up the good work.

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  123. dagawker

    July 31st, 2012

    This is not the first Rob and Pam have denigrated other freedom pages. Don’t fuck it up for the rest of us just because of your ideals. We are all infidels and muslims in waiting according to islam. You idiots set shit back and people are laughing at us. Get your priorities in order before you start defaming someone.Who give you that right?

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  124. zikalasa

    July 31st, 2012

    Take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the oppressed. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. (Elie Wiesel)

    Fight the good fight and carry on. Simply continue to let others know about the monstrosity that is islam.

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  125. Race Jacket & Slavery Tie

    July 31st, 2012

    I’d boycott anybody who refuses to link to Atlas. Pamela has made our world much better than it would have been without her. Nobody can fight like her.

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  126. Reiuxcat

    July 31st, 2012

    With the prevalence of taqqiya and the abeting of taqqiya by political correctness, I would prefer to be informed of perceived changes in the blogosphere that could be wrong than to remain ignorant.

    I do know my friend, Big Fur Hat, is not a backstabbing c*cksucker who publishes lies to advance this blog or others.

    That being said, I’m content to let some time pass and see what happens.

    I am certain of one thing. I’d rather be dead than be a dhimmi!

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  127. MaxBastards

    July 31st, 2012

    Please let me know if you’re looking for a article writer for your weblog. You have some really good posts and I believe I would be a good asset. If you ever want to take some of the load off, I’d love
    to write some content for your blog in exchange for a link
    back to mine. Please send me an e-mail if interested.
    Regards!

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  128. Jerry

    July 31st, 2012

    I’m afraid we will not last much longer. People love money more than they love truth. I just read John Daniels new book,’ THE COMING: A TRUE STORY OF HORROR’ @ amazon and far this is our future. This is a must read!

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  129. dagawker

    July 31st, 2012

    @ R-cat Who’s the dhimmi? I only see compliance in your statement. As for your cock sucking backstabbing statement…is that guilt,because no one else said it,but you. If you are gonna rub your balls in someone’s face BFH you had damn well make sure they are real enough to pluck the hairs off them.

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  130. Reiuxcat

    July 31st, 2012

    Dear dagawker,

    I was speaking for myself, not implying anyone is a dhimmi.

    I choose to with hold judgement on WZ until more time passes. But I know Fur calls ‘em likes he sees them. 99% of the time he is correct. At this moment, I can only recall once when he was wrong. If Fur has a fault, it is his intense loyalty to his friends. In my opinion, that is a virtue.

    Have a good day dagawker

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  131. Always On Watch

    July 31st, 2012

    Now, I largely focus on Internet radio when I speak about Islam.

    I admit that, right now, I quite focused on getting BHO out of office via the upcoming election.

    In addition, I am my disabled husband’s only caregiver. He is totally disabled. I’m tied down in ways that I wasn’t before September 2009.

    I am a bit disconcerted (the exact word I want, too): some of the smaller blogs such as my primary site (or even blogs not classified as small, such as Infidel Bloggers Alliance) didn’t get a nod. Or, if not a nod, then something else as I will mention below….

    The list of anti-jihad blogs was so exclusive! “Only” is such a limiting word.

    Look, I’m not trashing Pamela and Robert — or even criticizing them. They do GREAT AND IMPORTANT work!

    But I’m slaving away, too. And so are others.

    I’m reaching out to tell the truth about Islam and in ways that have caused this household to sustain a huge financial hit.

    No, I’m not crying “Martyr!” I’m telling it like it is. I’ve lost so many clients and directly due to my speaking the truth about Islam — and to conservatives, at that.

    Maybe I don’t have much of a voice.

    BUT I AM HERE!

    Well, you are on our radar now. I’ll link to you. -bfh

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  132. Anonymous

    July 31st, 2012

    @Noah
    Thanks for the FYI on the “inside joke”.
    Sorry for causing you to type so much.
    I agree with much of what you say, if not all.
    Trying to give a quick opinion/post sometimes comes off not quit as one would like. I do this way to often.

    @dagawker
    I learned every thing I needed to know about WZ from just all the posts (and read every one of them) here. My Conclusion is that the site is a good place to go. Notice, I did not criticize the
    site in my first post.
    Since I didn’t know the inside joke from a different web site. Your post didn’t make sense to me. Also I respect your opinion and I’ll always will remain jaded.

    theJadedBarrel

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  133. DanlBoone

    July 31st, 2012

    personally, iotw–I think you are a cheap divisive accusatory asshole.

    You think that trying to tear down other people elevates you?

    you err

    it would have been much more appropriate for your shit-site to have been hacked

    and, I mean that in only the most sincere way

    asshole

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  134. DanlBoone

    July 31st, 2012

    I never was a fan of this site. I’ll be sure to allow as how you attack other bloggers in some asinine sense of your own anal altruism/i> if I should ever reference ya in the future..

    you’re welcome

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  135. nevermind

    July 31st, 2012

    Yeah, Zip has, in the past censored links to Atlas JW and BNI, experienced it firshand. Also during the primaries, anything linking/questioning Rick Perry about Islam was discouraged with sharp rebukes. Again, experience.

    That being said, those who comment at wz can say pretty much anything, but after the Perry dustup it was a turn off, always at the back of my mind when visiting. Now I’m reading that he accused Pam G and Robert S of being complicit in the Norwegian massacre? Really? Does Zip also hold those involved with making Batman movies accountable for Aurora?

    A shame, we all should be allied against the most dangerous evil the world has ever known.Islam. Sure, zip has kids to worry about, as so many others do. Burying your head in the sand is not going to keep them safe and if anything empowers evil,willful ignorance is right up there.It won’t keep you or yours safe in the long term.

    Keep strong, this battle is just beginning good people.

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  136. Jaynie59

    July 31st, 2012

    Anyone who accuses Robert Spencer of being responsible for the Norway shootings deserves to be shunned. That goes way beyond falling for Alinsky tactics into Charles Johnson territory. Don’t forget, CJ went after Pamela first, then Robert before he attacked Hot Air. It wasn’t until Ed found himself on the receiving end of Chuckles brand of crazy before other blogs wised up about LGF.

    And yeah, I believe Robert so don’t anyone claim it didn’t happen. Robert Spencer doesn’t lie.

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  137. Katherine

    July 31st, 2012

    Your speculation (?) is entirely unfounded. I am a frequent visitor to Weasel Zippers and the post containing the article “Eight year old boy hanged by the Taliban” contained the comment ‘barbarians’ beneath the photo!

    BTW, I think Gellar is nuts….she sees Muslims hiding under her bed and in her medicine cabinet. Just the fact of standing next to a Muslim on a public podium can get you branded a closet Muslim in her world.

    Yes, Islam is a great danger, one of the biggest in the big picture–and warning people of its sly, insidious, violent, insane nature is of primary importance. Which is why its very important to make sure you have your ‘facts’ right before pointing fingers and screaming your head off–otherwise, you do more service to Islam than harm. Your actions end up branding ‘all’ warnings and revelations about Islam as just more
    ‘crazy, self-serving’ accusations.

    In my humble opinion, this is exactly what Gellar has done….

    And now we have your ridiculous assertion that Weasel Zippers, indeed, all who don’t follow your brand of hyperventilation are somehow complicit.

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  138. Katherine

    July 31st, 2012

    @nevermind

    You’re lying! I’ve been a visitor to Weasel Zippers for the last two years, and Zip did not rebuke anyone for comments about Perry!

    If you were rebuked, it was by one of the other commenters….it might of even been me!

    BTW, I’ve never seen your name ‘nevermind’ at Weasel Zippers, isn’t that odd….for such an ‘experienced’ hand?

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  139. WiscoDave

    July 31st, 2012

    FYI:BareNakedIslam has also been hacked and is currently “down.”
    They believe it has been done by Pakistanis.
    BNI went through quite a bit of this earlier this year…

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  140. BigFurHat

    July 31st, 2012

    Katherine,

    This is not a flame war. And I fully expect commenters from WZ to come here and defend your site.

    You offer opinion ie: Geller is nuts.
    (Dagwaker offers idiocy ie: Spencer is Jewish (as if that would matter, anyway.))

    This article offers nothing but facts, and they are not presented to damage WZ’s finances, traffic, or say they suck, or anything of the sort.

    Here are the facts:
    Zip called Spencer and said “Do not link to my site anymore.”
    Spancer asked why.
    Zip said because if he did, Pamela might link to that story, and his name would appear on Atlas Shrugs and he wants nothing to do with Atlas.
    The discussion ended with Zip saying that Spencer was responsible for the Norway massacre.

    When a story was suggested on Twitchy by a contributor, the contributor was told by Jessie Malkin that, “we won’t do anything with Atlas Shrugs.”

    Hot Air asked Robert Spencer to produce a series called “blogging the Quran.”
    The series was popular and then abruptly pulled by Malkin. Morrissey offered this as a reason – the Obama/McCain election is heating up and we don’t have time for this.
    Does anyone believe that excuse?

    I think it is important to have these top blogs say publicly what their problem is.

    What I am hearing from you (and dagawker) are two simultaneous contradictory arguments -

    Weasel Zippers doesn’t back down from blogging about Islam, he does war porn and calls them barbarians and in the comments we call them goatf*ckers, and we piss on them yada yada yada -
    but Geller is too toxic.

    Do you think that makes any sense to you whatsover, particularly when Geller doesn’t come close to doing, in terms of decorum, what you’re boasting WZ’s does?

    Ask yourself this, as well. Spencer and Geller are a team, why does Zip have a problem with Geller and not Spencer? Makes no sense unless it is personal.

    Listen, talking about goatf*cking is nice, and dutifully putting up fapping videos of war is great.

    With all due respect, the real work is being done in the courts by “that nut” Pamela Geller. What you don’t know, and what Zip doesn’t know, could fill a reservoir. Frankly, you’re way out of your league.
    Now, having said that, you’re not just a wee bit curious as to the exact reason the top tier blogs are cutting Pamela out of their incestuous dutch rudder linkage club? Or are you merely content with the marginalizing of one of our top warriors and content that Jihad will be challenged by Zip and the Zip commenting community?

    Remove Geller from the landscape and what are you left with?
    Stay at home bloggers trying to “make a living” who conspire to damage a woman who has her ass on the line defending the first amendment, for you and I, with her own money.
    Tell us all again how Geller is nuts, it was charming.

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  141. DanlBoone

    July 31st, 2012

    you’re very much impressed with your altruist self bfh..

    that makes one of you

    perhaps you are suffering that age old malady

    an inflated sense of your own perceptions..

    that’s how I see it.

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  142. Bark O'Dogbreath

    July 31st, 2012

    Funny about the timing of this. I’ve followed iotw for years, and have been disappointed that it seems to have lost its “edginess”.

    Must be me!!!

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  143. DanlBoone

    July 31st, 2012

    how big of a head does it take to fill a big fur hat?

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  144. nevermind

    July 31st, 2012

    @Katherine:

    Not a liar, I have a witness. Judging by your outburst, no point in exposing them and myself to further abuse from strangers.

    When wz is back up to strength link a comment to barenaked islam, Robert Spencer or Atlas. When you are unable to, ask yourself and the owners why. Unless you don’t care to know, which I suspect you don’t.

    Pam is a nut ? For bringing us truth about the greatest enemy of civilization? You and those who accuse should have a micro measure of the courage Pam displays 24/7. Do you know how perilous it is to expose Islam as she and Robert do? Look at your own reaction, now imagine how the object of her expose’ view Pam. After all this I’m convinced our undoing will not come from the left, it’ll sneak in via cognitive dissonance from the right.

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  145. BigFurHat

    July 31st, 2012

    Altruist? Hardly. I do have an interest in defending Spencer and Geller, as should everyone that is interested in testing the limits of Sharia’s constitutional compliance.

    It’s charming that you’d rather make this a flame war, but this issue is a lot bigger than your mendacity.

    As for iOTW losing its edginess, I would be a complete idiot, a moron, in fact, if I were to go down the road of arguing with someone about what they perceive to be the truth.

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  146. [...] UPDATE July 31: Big Fur Hat responds brilliantly to a commenter over at iOwntheWorld: Katherine,This is not a flame war. And I fully expect commenters from WZ to come here and defend [...]

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  147. The Shadowmaster

    July 31st, 2012

    I am the blogger mentioned in Pamela Geller’s post at Atlas Shrugs.

    My WZ posts relating to Islam were censored. My old posts about Islam were scrubbed of any “offensive” picture or comment that might turn off advertisers. The instances of censorship mentioned in Pamela’s blog post were just the tip of the iceberg. Posts about Obama were also “toned down.” Can’t offend leftist Democrat advertisers, can we? Lefties might complain to your advertisers. There are some worse examples of censorship that would make any conservative freedom fighters blood boil. “War Porn” is no substitute for presenting the ugly truth about Islamic supremacy and no substitute for fighting for our freedom as fiercely as possible. Robert Spencer stated it correctly. The motive was fame and fortune. Web traffic and ad revenue. If that’s what you want to do, fine. However, you are a toothless tiger in the fight for freedom.

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  148. Katherine

    July 31st, 2012

    @Big Fur Hat

    The mendacity sir, is yours. You claimed that Weasel Zippers changed “8 year old boy hanged by the Taliban” and the comment ‘barbarians’–IT DIDN’T! I know that because I remember seeing it!

    And if you’re 100% wrong on that claim, what else are you wrong on?

    You keep saying that this isn’t a flame war and yet you keep making it one!

    Were you there on the other end of this phone call and did you hear Zip say that Spencer was responsible for Breivik?

    BTW, you have no idea what I know and what I don’t know….and judging from that comment, I’d say that all you know is distorted by your own narrow, arrogant perspective.

    And I do know something that you obviously don’t, they are cutting Geller out because she’s gone overboard, she has become a fanatic. Which does the cause of defeating Islamic aspirations great harm.

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  149. Mary Jane Anklestraps

    July 31st, 2012

    Oh yeah, PAMELA and the others who expose the insanity that is Islam are overboard.
    Islam is just so quiet and peaceful, huh?
    Riiiiight.

    It’s Pamela, Spencer, and the handful who want to report the atrocities of Islam and the RINOS who want to keep everything hush hush so that they don’t “upset” anybody. And they get treated worse than the beheaders. Why is that? How do you call Pamela a liar, when she’s won every court case against those fanatics? Please. Grow some balls.

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  150. Noah

    July 31st, 2012

    @nevermind.
    Has this been in the past few months your post going away or scrubbed ?

    Zip has been having problems with World Press and post are there one second and then gone the next.

    I went days with that happening.. Still happens but not so often.

    I link to BNI and Atlas.. If the link doesn’t work I post the whole article not to have any problems from Zip for it..

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  151. BigFurHat

    July 31st, 2012

    Katherine,

    Try and get a hold of yourself.
    First of all, I *reported* the claim made by the commenter that just happens to be right above yours.
    I have no reason to suspect Robert Spencer is lying. Would you like to make that public claim? Are you calling Robert Spencer a liar?

    And if this ex-contributor is wrong, we’ll find out, won’t we?

    He said the caption Barbarian appeared on the site for awhile before it was changed.
    It is entirely possible that you saw the caption before the change, right?

    How am I making this a flame war?
    Am I calling Zip names? Am I impugning WZ’s merit as an outstanding aggregating news site?
    Am I asking for a boycott? No.
    I’ve continually said, taken in its totality WZ is a great asset to the web.
    I’m disturbed by his boycotting of Atlas, which seems to be only the tip of the spear.
    I’m asking why?
    You seem to be speaking for WZ. Are you a designated
    spokesperson?

    >BTW, you have no idea what I know and what I don’t know….and judging from that comment, I’d say that all you know is distorted by your own narrow, arrogant perspective.>

    I was talking specifically about Islam. And it wasn’t pitting my knowledge against your knowledge. it was pitting Robert Spencer’s and Pamela Geller’s knowledge of Islam against Katherime’s and Zip’s knowledge.
    And I have to confess, my fingers chuckled a bit as they were typing that.

    >>And I do know something that you obviously don’t, they are cutting Geller out because she’s gone overboard, she has become a fanatic. Which does the cause of defeating Islamic aspirations great harm.>>

    Who is “they” and are you “their” official spokesperson?

    Once that’s established we can have the debate on anti-jihad effectiveness. Everyone looks forward to your expertise.

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  152. The Saw

    July 31st, 2012

    @Katherine, Pamela is not nuts. She is brave and courageous. And yeah, she probably does think muslims are under her bed being she gets death threats daily. She and Robert have been fighting the good fight long before anyone had ever heard of islam and its intentions. They know and understand islam inside and out, they are the EXPERTS. They speak the truth which is why they don’t get the respect and coverage they deserve. Much of America is still in denial, full of ignorance, and those that have political investment in not wanting the truth to be acknowledged keep them shut out. And that pisses me off.

    I give Pamela credit for the being the person that prevented the Ground Zero mosque from being built. The woman is truly a Warrior. I don’t always agree w/her style, but it is who she is.
    A New Yawker. So unless you are out there doing the dirty work that all of us should be doing and spending thousands of dollars to stop evil, STFU.

    WZ is busy repairing their site, when it is done they need to address this if they care about their readers. There is nothing wrong w/being an entrepreneur, but when you deceive people from who you really are, it’s just not cool. I won’t be sending any more cash to WZ if they do not offer up an explanation, an honest one. If the situation w/A.S. is personal that is one thing, but if WZ is doing this due to being coerced, shamed, or selling out to advertisers I want to know. Shit like this always happens when someone gets too big for their britches.

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  153. IKnowSomethingYouDon'tKnow

    July 31st, 2012

    Well hell’s bells!
    So when does Zip tell the readers the real truth about what’s behind this ‘HaCkInG’?
    Come on now, someone’s gonna find out sooner or later ;-p

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  154. IKnowSomethingYouDon'tKnow

    July 31st, 2012

    tick…tick…tick…

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  155. Jaynie59

    July 31st, 2012

    @Katherine

    “And I do know something that you obviously don’t, they are cutting Geller out because she’s gone overboard, she has become a fanatic. Which does the cause of defeating Islamic aspirations great harm.”

    First of all, Pamela Gellar is a Jew and if ANYONE has a right to be fanatical about Islamic supremacism in America it’s her. Don’t you dare judge her for how she fights against an enemy she knows will come for her first. That woman is lucky to still be alive. You idiot.

    And what the fuck does “defeating Islamic aspirations” mean? Aspirations? I’ve read hundreds of stupid liberal defenses of Islamic supremacism but I’ve never seen anyone refer to it as “aspirations”.

    Me thinks your liberal slip is showing.

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  156. WiscoDave

    July 31st, 2012

    I support Pamela and Robert. I admire both their courage and perseverance.
    I also read WZ on a daily basis (at least before this recent hack).
    I’ve even given him shit on some of the ads run; C’mon, meet muslim single women? Get serious. But if those advertisers want to spend their $$ there let ‘em!
    I’ve emailed ZIP and am waiting for what he has to say about all of this.
    BFH: you run a great site. I know you and PG are close, also Spencer. Please know that nothing personal is meant towards you or them. Us “weasels” are a tight knit lot and this has taken us aback to say the least; therefore the defensive comments.
    Even if ZIP is not as vociferous a weasel as he once was (please note I’m saying this rhetorically) I believe that his teeth are still in the right place.
    I can’t speak for the others but I am and will remain “Locked and Loaded with Bacon Wrapped Rounds.”

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  157. Katechon

    July 31st, 2012

    @Jaynie

    Thank you very much for the explanation.

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  158. dagawker

    July 31st, 2012

    @ big fur hat-I like how you try to paint me as an anti-Semite “Quick, smart guy, give the Christian a call and tell him he’s a Jew, you dumb antisemite.” – bfh
    Real class that is. Are you playing the victim card? All that without answering my points,way to go. Just keep throwing shit into the wind BFH.

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  159. le horrible

    July 31st, 2012

    “And I do know something that you obviously don’t, they are cutting Geller out because she’s gone overboard, she has become a fanatic. Which does the cause of defeating Islamic aspirations great harm”

    There are people among us and in positions of power RIGHT NOW who want to conquer us, or aid those who do…pointing that out is fanaticism?

    “Katherine” is a liberal troll, just stirrin’ the puddin’. Look for “her” comments to now cease and desist.

    Great site, BFH, you’ve now replaced HA and Ace in my bookmarks. WZ, I’m taking a squint-eyed wait and see on. I’ll know soon.

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  160. Xavier

    July 31st, 2012

    @BFH

    The more I think about this, the more it pisses me off. BFH wants to “expose” the truth by verifying claims made by a former WZ employee and asserts that questions need answering. Who the fuck put you in charge of the blogosphere? What if Zip did delete posts, links, etc? It’s his site, not yours. There is no House Committee on Un-Right Wing Bloggers Activities, yet. Yet. Frankly it looks like you’re trying to walk a fine line between scoring some major points by sucking Spencer’s dick and not pissing off the WZ crowd who visit IOTW. So much for your claims of pushing the First Amendment limits – you’re as bad a publicity whore as those you’re accusing, or worse.

    The interesting thing is, the article condemning WZ also mentioned Malkin and AoSHQ but bypassed them in a sentence or two. The entire focus of the diatribe was on WZ and mainly because of a former associate’s comments – which I’ll say again – are immaterial, even if true. When you strip away all the pap and fancy language, this is nothing short of a personal attack by Spencer – exactly as BFH mentioned above.

    To continue my restaurant analogy, isn’t this like KFC, Denny’s and Waffle House demanding Ruth’s Chris print their advertisements on her menu?

    I’m really disappointed in you, BFH.

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  161. BigFurHat

    July 31st, 2012

    WiscoDave,
    I’d be disappointed if the WZer’s community didn’t defend him.
    I fully expected it. That is why I’m not going to be my usually dickish self when commenting back to any WZ reader. You guys are understandably pissed.
    But again, I’m not interested in making enemies.
    I didn’t put this post up with glee.

    The concerted effort to excommunicate Geller has been obvious to anyone paying attention.
    I’ve known 4 sites that have made it off-the- record policy, and I don’t understand why, and would love the reason to be on the record.

    If anything is going to damage anyone’s site, it will be their own answer as to why this ratfuc*ing is taking place.

    When Atlas put up her post I knew it had to be one of two sites, I included the two sites in my speculation because I know that WZ and AoS have this policy.

    I had no problem publicly saying so.
    I guessed that the site was WZ.
    I guessed right, but it’s no great feat. It was a coin toss, and the big clue was xxxx as the redaction. This fit.

    Katherine, a WZ representative, has confirmed that this ratfuc*ing has taken place, and she says that it’s because Pamela Geller is hurting the cause of anti-Jihad.

    As long as she’s putting words into Zip’s mouth I would love for her to be a little more specific on this bold statement.

    Come back Katherine and give us a point by point list of specific things that show that Pamela Geller is nuts and that she is hurting the anti-jihad movement.

    We await. You have the stage. We’ll give you time to call Charles Johnson to get your talking points together.

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  162. BigFurHat

    July 31st, 2012

    Xavier,

    You’re right, there is no House Committee of Bloggers. Bloggers can do what they want.

    When Zip took the unprecedented step of contacting Spencer and telling HIM WHAT TO DO did it piss you off?

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  163. Xavier

    July 31st, 2012

    That’s apples and oranges, BFH, and you know it. Any blogger should be able to control – at least to some degree – who links to them. I bet you’d do it if the right (wrong?) type of website wanted to ride on your coattails.

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  164. Katherine

    July 31st, 2012

    @BigFurHat and all the rest:

    I speak for myself, not for Zip or Weasel Zippers.

    If you don’t like what I’m saying that’s too damn bad–and for those idiots implying that I’m a Leftist, that just goes to show what incredibly closed minded, single issue fanatics you are.

    I’d put Obama on the next boat to Somalia, if I thought I could get away with it.

    You want proof of Geller’s over the top lunacy:

    “Rick Perry is the fifth column candidate” article by Geller…

    I need say nothing more.

    I don’t disparage her work when it makes sense, but when she starts making connections that have the same illogic as do the claims of the 9/11 truthers, then I do have a problem with her.

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  165. jwm

    July 31st, 2012

    I have done, on my own, a thing that way Ann Barnhardt suggests. I got rid of cable. I do not have a TV set in the house, and I dropped all the newspapers. My number one and two sources for news are iotw, and WZ. What’s happening here is of great concern to me.
    I do not expect to find “purely objective” reporting anywhere. But I depend on the internet because I assume I will receive content that is factually correct, and with an honest admission of the political bias of the writers.
    I don’t look to the internet to find writers “without an agenda”; I look for writers whose agenda is open, and whose presentation is honest, whether I agree with them or not.
    All this rests on the integrity of the bloggers whom I read. If I find that an individual’s integrity has been compromised, I’ll be less likely to rely on that individual. The CJ’s of the world eventually show their true colors.

    It’s a whole different matter, however, if the breach of blogger integrity is systemic. If the content of the conservative blogosphere can be manipulated by islamists, we have a scary serious problem indeed. I am really looking forward to hearing from WZ himself.

    JWM

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  166. Xavier

    July 31st, 2012

    @BFH

    Pretty good non sequitur, tho. Your specialty?

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  167. Katherine

    July 31st, 2012

    @BigFurHead

    Are you suggesting that Robert Spence is incapable of lying?

    Because if that is your claim, then he needs to be Sainted by the church.

    Personally, I don’t know what he told you, and I don’t know if he was speaking the truth, but before you claim that Zip said this or that, don’t you think it would be wise, or fair, or decent to speak to Zip first–before you smear him?

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  168. Katherine

    July 31st, 2012

    @BigFurHead

    BTW, the person that I got together with in order to confer before responding to you was my 1 year old son, who was in need of his sippy cup and a bath….

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  169. Noah

    July 31st, 2012

    @BFH.
    Have you talked to Zip about this or is he to busy right now with the hack?

    I would think you would have a better means of talking to him then we do… He gets tons of email do you have another way of contacting him?

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  170. Noah

    July 31st, 2012

    @Everyone Katherine is not a leftist troll she is a die hard Conservative… And she is sticking up for a friend,,

    We all are.. BFH with Spencer and Geller … You have questions you would like Zip to answer.

    My question to you is,if he tells you the truth if someone has threatened his family or with shutting down Weasel Zippers are you going to be ok with that??

    Or is that selling out??? I don’t really know much about the rules of bloging.

    Are you mad at Zip for what Robert says he said?
    If it’s true and Zip said something in the heat of the moment will you be willing to forgive and forget?
    Or will it be a done deal with Weasel Zippers?

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  171. big-pete

    July 31st, 2012

    The blogosphere is, to a degree, the ultimate marketplace. Sites rise and fall. If what is said here is true then WZ will very quickly lose its current readership. What puzzles me is that if WZ is in it for the dollars how does losing its readers help?

    Anyway, one thing I hate seeing is the (seemingly) petty in fighting amongst sites and bloggers. I don’t care if X links or doesn’t link to Y’s site or why. If I want to read that site I will go there. If the site starts to suck I’ll stop going there.

    We’re all grown ups…right?

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  172. Xavier

    July 31st, 2012

    @big-pete

    Let me make myself clear – I hate Google with a passion that burns to the core of my soul. But at the same time I have to admit that bloggers wanting to monetize their sites are dependent on them.

    Now, let’s just say that you are that person wanting to make money, but linking to website X affects your income negatively – or that certain types of headlines drive off advertisers.

    What would you do? I’m not saying this happened – I have no way of knowing. But again, what would you do, if putting food on the table was at stake?

    The central point here is: Do you think you would have the right to adjust your site’s policies, or should you fall in line with what other bloggers think?

    Everything else being thrown around is distraction – the hack, the Palin bashing, the former disgruntled employee – all bullshit.

    So – are you Chick-fil-A, or are you Chicago Values?

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  173. big-pete

    July 31st, 2012

    @Xavier

    I have no issues with WZ or anyone else running their site as they see fit. After all, it’s their site, not mine.

    However, if in that process I think the site develops into something that is no longer worth visiting then I will stop going there. No hard feelings, I’ll just take my eyeballs elsewhere (or start my own site and run it the way I wish).

    As you know I am a frequent WZ poster and dislike seeing the site disparaged but the site, I believe, will speak for itself as to the direction it will take. I will base my readership of it on that.

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  174. DanlBoone

    July 31st, 2012

    BFH posted:

    This article offers nothing but facts, and they are not presented to damage WZ’s finances, traffic, or say they suck, or anything of the sort.

    [...]

    Remove Geller from the landscape and what are you left with?
    Stay at home bloggers trying to “make a living” who conspire to damage a woman who has her ass on the line defending the first amendment, for you and I, with her own money.
    __

    Not a perfect circle, but definitely round and concentric. It’s that latter part that I personally find troubling. We all fail at logic here and there.. and to be candid–we all have two sides to our mouths.

    now Zip is a conspiratorial to marginalizing 2 anti-jihad [thank God for them] sites.. ?

    I mean hey, I dig a good conspiracy as much [used to be more than] the next guy..

    but that’s specious [a mendacious construct] on the face of it.

    A smear is as good as a conviction in today’s world. Look at what the left did to Palin. Look how they–from the WH down–paint us racist.

    One last thing, BFH, you were quick to tag Katherine with the liberal/troll thing..

    you couldn’t be more wrong if you tried.. but the point I’m trying to make is that:

    that should be beneath you.

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  175. Xavier

    July 31st, 2012

    @big-pete

    I agree with you 100%. You and I have the option – luxury, even – of shopping around and finding blogs and news outlets that suit us. Like you, I have no allegiance to WZ either, and if the quality falls off I’ll be moving on (but not to IOTW, lol) – but I hate to see good people slandered. This entire episode reads right out of a leftist handbook and BFH should have though it through a little bit better before publishing. He may have guessed, but Spencer didn’t have to confirm if he wanted it kept private. It’s a well planned personal attack in Zip and WZ.

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  176. hoodaticus

    July 31st, 2012

    @Boone

    “I mean hey, I dig a good conspiracy as much [used to be more than] the next guy..”

    I have witnessed your significant personal growth over the years through your comments at WZ. Just thought I’d point that out :)

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  177. le horrible

    July 31st, 2012

    “This entire episode reads right out of a leftist handbook”

    Sure does.

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  178. BigFurHat

    July 31st, 2012

    Non sequitur, apples and oranges?

    I don’t think so.
    You asked, who am I to tell another blogger what to do (as in, requesting him to come clean as to why he has a persona non grata stance on Pamela Geller.)
    And Zip did just that.
    He didn’t tell Spencer to stop linking to him because he has a problem with Spencer. He, in so many words, was telling Spencer that his association with Geller is going to cost him.
    He made it abundantly clear that there was nothing wrong with Spencer by telling him that it was the Geller connection that was the problem.

    Use your noodle a second.
    Spencer links to a Weasel Zippers story. Pamela sees that story and runs it linking to Spencer.
    How does that taint WZ for ads? Atlas’s name does not appear on WZ.
    And if Atlas is linking to Weasel Zippers why doesn’t Zip ask Pamela to stop linking to him. No, he goes to a Geller associate and puts the squeeze on him. That is insidious. And it is Chicago style politics.
    This has nothing to do with ads.

    Spencer was so taken aback that he thought this request was not only insulting, it made mo sense. Geller and Spencer post the same content, speak at the same venues, co-sponsor the same events, share a partnership in at least 3 foundations.
    So why is there no problem with Spencer?
    Are you incapable of reading between lines?
    Do I have to spell it out for you?

    Zip’s decision has NOTHIMG to do with ad revenue, because in the WZ defender’s own words, “ZIP does war porn, he doesn’t shy away from insulting Islam and calling them muzzies etc.
    What happened to worrying about ad revenue? What’s on Pamela’s site that is going to turn off advertisers? She doesn’t do what you’re describing on her site.

    My theory, which I know is correct.

    This was decreed from above Weasel Zippers from people with a personal ax to grind against Pamela, and to not fall out of the good graces of those people, who Zip relies on for linkage to grow his brand and make his living, Zip fell in line.

    As big as Zip is, he is the low hanging fruit in this story.
    This is about the Kingmaker system that exists in the blogosphere, a system that would throw a Pamela Geller under the bus, and convince readers in the process that that is a good thing, all because they personally do not like her, and they have the power to do it.
    And forgive me for being “a publicity hound” or a “big headed egotist” or “someone who is sucking Robert Spencer’s dick” or whatever the hell else you think I’m being motivated by, but as long as I have a blog I’m not going to turn a blind eye to this.
    Do you think I want to alienate myself from the Weasel Zippers audience? or any audience?

    I have nothing against any readership. I do, however, want to see this stealth anti-Geller campaign, a campaign that makes little sense, either be explained so that I may join this campaign, or end because it has no merit except for its high school bullshittery. And dangerous bullshittery, at that.

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  179. hoodaticus

    July 31st, 2012

     
  180. BigFurHat

    July 31st, 2012

    Xavier,

    I slapped Katherine with a liberal tag???
    Where did I do that?

    What? That part about consulting Charles Johnson? I said to someone else, and then Katherine, who I know is a conservative, that when she calls Geller nuts she sounds like she is talking out of the CJ playbook. Who wants to sound like that?
    I guess Geller is a screeching harpy too, huh?

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  181. Helen

    July 31st, 2012

    I don’t follow Pam or Rober Spencer, but TRUST ME, Weasel Zippers is NOT soft on Islam!!

    Although the site is down, an extract on the blog archive uses the phrase “savages from hell.” Hardly a dhimmi. The phrase “Religion of pieces” comes up repeatedly, and unless the poster is a liberal troll, people are rarely if ever banned from making comments (full disclosure: I did get one guy banned for his ridiculous theories on monetary policy).

    Also, for what it’s worth, there’s no pop-up links to advertisements on WZ, so I don’t htink this blog is done with an eye to going corporate. In fact, the refusal to talk about Brett Kimberlin would seem to back this up, as a guy with a day job might put up with nasty web comments, but isn’t in a position to tolerate actual physical threats to one’s safety by an alleged murderer.

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  182. Noah

    July 31st, 2012

    @BFH
    Was that post to me?
    I didn’t say you called Katherine a liberal troll
    I was saying that to another poster. Hence the @everyone.

    Seems there’s tons of shit out here in the internet not IOTW.

    When I asked about talking to ZIP I meant just that.
    Can you contact him better then the rest of us and then we can get to the bottom of everything I hope.

    Also I seriously had no ideal there was a War going on against Geller with regards to her being ban from links to other conservative sites.

    Again I was just wondering if in fact you had heard from Zip.

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  183. Xavier

    July 31st, 2012

    I will consider your words, and thank you for responding. I still think that the entire event has been handled with poor judgement.

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  184. BigFurHat

    July 31st, 2012

    >> Remove Geller from the landscape and what are you left with?
    Stay at home bloggers trying to “make a living” who conspire to damage a woman who has her ass on the line defending the first amendment, for you and I, with her own money.>>

    That is a fact.
    Point to a blogger that spends any of their time in court arguing 1st amendment cases against Islam?
    Name one.

    Name a blogger that travels to Europe to forge an alliance between SIOE and SIOA.

    Name a blogger who stands up for an unknown girl that is trying to separate herself from her family so she isn’t honor killed.

    Name a blogger taking out NY Times ads to counter anti-Christian ads being run bu Islam.

    Name a blogger, besides Ann Barnhardt, who has the courage to confront this evil head on, without fear, with her face and name out there.

    Name a blogger who packs a room with standing room only at CPAC, who introduces and blesses the blogging community by letting them hear first hand the stories of a Simon Deng and a Nona Darwish.

    Name name a blogger who doesn’t want to be associated with such a person.

    Please.

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  185. Helen

    July 31st, 2012

    I’ve been reading Weasel Zippers for years, and the claims that’s he’s a Muslim-lover are ridiculous, as are the accusations that he’s cleaning up to go “corporate”:

    1. War Porn, and flying jihadis, as well as “religion of pieces” pretty much debunks this.
    2. The extract from the hanging 8-year-old says “savages from hell.” Hardly a Dhimmi.
    3. NUMEROUS pro-Palin posts, along with the comment “she lives in their heads rent-free.”
    4. NO POP-UP ADS!!! Hardly a mark of someone looking to make a career at this. See also:
    5. Anyone who has a day job and a family to protect is probably better off not mentioning Brett Kimberlin, an accused murderer and provable blogger-harasser. Sorry, as much as I too wantthe truth to get out there, one’s family comes first.

    Whatever this redacted site is, it’s NOT Weasel Zippers.

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  186. just-saying

    July 31st, 2012

    I read WZ several times a day; I seldom read your site. I find WZ clearly pro-Israel, anti-islam. Are you simply trying to get more traffic to your site? I won’t be visiting again.
    .

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  187. BigFurHat

    July 31st, 2012

    Helen,
    You’re undermining Zip’s argument.
    How is this escaping everyone.

    Zip’s contention is that he doesn’t want to be associated with Geller because it will somehow effect his ad revenue.
    Meanwhile everyone is saying
    “Zip soft on Islam? pfffffft”

    “He has splodin’ heads, and calls them ragheads, and goat fuc*ers, and muzzies and, shits in a turban,” or whatever else is being said to prove he is every bit the anti-jihadist that say, ohhhhhhh I dunno, Pamela Geller is.

    That sorta knocks the shit out of Zip’s contention that he can’t link to Pamela because he’s afraid of running off advertisers, no?

    Pamela doesn’t run that stuff.
    Given what your saying it should be Pamela worried about WZ appearing on her site.

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  188. BigFurHat

    July 31st, 2012

    Helen,
    Who said WZ is a muslim lover?
    Now this is just turning into crackpottery.

    Who said he is anti-Palin??

    Did some commenter make that statement? Certainly I didn’t.

    Not uttering one word about SWATing or Brett Kimberlin was painfully obvious to anyone that was paying attention.

    It’s his right, certainly. I felt it displayed a certain mindset. You can have your opinion.

    It’s not a matter of opinion anymore as to which site was being discussed in Atlas’s post.
    It has already been revealed to be Weasel Zippers.

    The contributor who was the source of the story already said so in this thread.
    Robert Spencer was already here to say it was Weasel Zippers.
    So I don’t know what you’re saying here.

    You can say that Spencer and the ex-contributor are lying, that’s a different matter altogether.

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  189. le terrible

    July 31st, 2012

    Whatever her flaws and mistakes, anyone who’d call Geller a fanatic after knowing the things she’s done (as BFH cited) cannot be trusted. Either they’re simply jealous (meaning they’re contemptible), or they recognize her value but don’t want to be connected with her to keep the $$$ coming (meaning they’re cowards), or they’re really another CJ getting ready to come out the closet because they’re ridden the Right wing wave as far as they care to. Whichever the case, they just can’t be trusted.

    “Katherine,” whoever she is, is one of these three and cannot be trusted.

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  190. Xavier

    July 31st, 2012

    @BFH

    First, thanks for finally explaining the situation in terms I can understand. I’m not entirely convinced, but I will consider what you’ve said; I had no idea this sort of system existed in the blogging world. Foolishness on my part, I suppose, given my intense hatred for the invasive powers that control other parts of the web. Now that I think about it, why should the blogosphere be any different?

    Second, I’d like to apologize to you. I’ve spent the afternoon at the Doctor’s and am a bit cranky. Zip’s always treated me well and it’s hard to even consider that what you’re saying might be true.

    Third, perhaps at some point you and I can have an off-the-record conversation. Not really about this situation, but about the way the web power structure works in general.

    Mind you, I’m not acquiescing – just saying I’m going to keep an open mind as we go forward. I’ll be interested in verification of the claims all parties have made – right now it’s all accusations and innuendo.

    And le terrible you stop saying bad things about Katherine. She’s a smart girl and doesn’t fit into your pigeon holes.

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  191. BigFurHat

    July 31st, 2012

    I think Katherine is a long-time reader of WZ, and her pedigree is not in question.

    But, I do think she might be letting loyalty get in the way of clear thinking.

    FACT: there is a systemic dislike of Atlas Shrugs, and a coordinated effort to not link to Atlas Shrugs.

    I can’t think of a higher ranked site that is never, and I mean NEVER, linked by a certain circle of bigs.
    It’s uncanny.
    Even a story as huge as Geller winning her 1st amendment case, where 2/3rds of the panel of judges ruled that Islam was a political entity, was not linked anywhere.
    THAT’S a non-story?
    Are you kidding me?
    Why even blog anti-jihad stories at all if you are not interested in the biggest major ruling regarding Islam in our courts EVER?

    I’m sorry the WZ community did get to read about that crazy bitch.
    Maybe Zip could have linked to Michael Coren’s interview with her. That way the advertisers wouldn’t even see the name Atlas Shrugs on WZ.
    He could link to her Fox appearances, or other TV appearances, and the revenue stream would be none the wiser.
    But of course that excuse is pure bullshit, so what I’m suggesting won’t suffice.

    Maybe I’m slow on the uptake, but do the WZ’s commenters hate Atlas Shrugs too?

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  192. Hesperado

    July 31st, 2012

    Wow, this place is like Little Green Footballs — in the old days, that is, before Charles Johnson morphed into a green Godzilla dedicated to the Leftist war against “hatred”.

    Anyway, it’s interesting, if not ironic, to see people on both sides of the Geller issue ignoring the relatively soft stance she maintains against Muslims — with one side implying she’s sufficiently tough, and the other implying she’s too tough. Makes one wonder where the thermostat, so to speak, is set in the Anti-Islam Movement (such as it is). Not to mention who gets to set it.

    One commenter on Jihad Watch articulated the problem of Geller’s relative softness quite well, in cogent detail.

    I also weighed in, only examining it from one specific (though I believe important) angle.

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  193. BigFurHat

    July 31st, 2012

    Xavier,
    That’s very kind and very decent of you, but completely unnecessary.
    I’m not being ungracious, it’s just that I like when people speak their mind, even if it’s to call me an asshole or whatever.
    Then I get to argue why I am certainly an asshole but for reasons other than why you called me one.

    My e-mail addy is bigfurhat.mail@gmail.com

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  194. BigFurHat

    July 31st, 2012

    Hesp,
    what is your screen name at JW?

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  195. Beth

    July 31st, 2012

    I was going to characterize it as inside baseball, but it’s not. This should concern everyone equally.

    It IS inside baseball. Nobody cares about this stupid meta shit except you traffic-whoring bloggers.

    Get a life, seriously. If you want more written about jihadis and stuff, write it. You don’t dictate to others how THEY spend their time writing for free, you do it yourself. I mean, duh.
    This is why I quit blogging before this pissant blog even started. Bloggers are petulant primadonnas, more worried about other bloggers than the things that really matter. That goes for Pamela now too, I guess. Pathetic.

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  196. Frosteetoes

    July 31st, 2012

    “Hard for me to pick a side in this church, which loons annoy me more. Or less. ….Lady in Red”

    ***********
    Go eat a choad you sanctimonious scrunt.

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  197. Anonymous

    July 31st, 2012

    In this up-is-down, down-is-up world, I still anticipate clarity on many issues at WZ. Unfortunately, I tried to go there twice today and my computer froze and shut down.

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  198. Lady in Red

    July 31st, 2012

    Frosty, dearest, is it really you, Your Gentle Christian Kindness….?

    Let’s see: Extremist Muslims stone folk to death for having kids “outside marriage.” And nutty Extremist Christians turn women into “fetus slaves,” “incubating ovens.”

    Some overlap there, eh? ….Lady in Red

    PS: Fortunately we have the Moderate Muslims, as well as the Moderate Christians (neither of whom believe in that kinda crazy stuff).

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  199. Anony

    July 31st, 2012

    So many conspiracies.

    PG and RS were exposed as a nut job and a hack, respectively, and they will drag the right down with them. They only care about selling books.

    And you LGFers are so damn annoying. You guys are presumably adults. Quit acting like getting kicked out of the club was THE WORST THING to happen to you babies. It’s as pathetic as a person who years later still can’t get over their last boyfriend/girlfriend.

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  200. 66chevelle

    July 31st, 2012

    BFH, You’re front page on AOSHQ right now. I haven’t read up the comments here yet so sorry if this is old news.

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  201. jclady

    July 31st, 2012

    I NEED DUCT TAPE!!!!!!!

    Throughout this thread, I’ve watched many from “our side” react on the quick draw and attack an ally when WE are at such an important moment in OUR existence. Loyalty is to the cause, not the messenger (i.e., blogger), and it scares/infuriates me to see this type of reaction.

    What will it take for all of us to join together? What will it take to recognize that we are being attacked on many fronts? Is it worth the loyalty to the blogger, or should the loyalty be to the Nation?

    These are the questions that need to be answered, and we don’t have another four years to figure it out.[

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  202. Frosteetoes

    July 31st, 2012

    LIR, a killer’s gonna kill, the methods and ideology may be different but a baby in utero is still a separate unique person who ghouls like you still want killed. Nothing compares to that slaughter. Get your priorities straight.

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  203. gastorgrab

    July 31st, 2012

    I’m not sure I understand the criticism in this thread. Are all right-leaning blogs expected to be carbon copies of each other? Is there no room for different areas of interest?

    I’m starting to feel like I’ve signed up for a club and no one bothered to tell me what the rules were. If there is a mold for what all right-wing blogs are expected to conform to, then who’s in charge of managing it?

    This all sounds petty to me.

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  204. Moron

    July 31st, 2012

    I think you guys are giving Ace a raw deal. He has never been a part of the anti-jihad brigade. He’s always been a general interest Republican/Conservative/Libertarian topical blogger.

    He still posts about Islam or terrorism when it is relevant or in the news.

    Example: http://ace.mu.nu/archives/330935.php

    His site tends to revolve more around humor than pure facts and investigative work.

    As for why he doesn’t associate as much with Pamela Geller, I think it is more personal than him “selling out” to whomever.

    I think a lot of it has to do with Ace’s personal experience with Geller and then the Rick Perry stuff put a nail in the coffin.

    Example of the personal issue
    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/320657.php

    The Perry stuff
    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/320680.php

    There are those of us who are conservatives who focus on issues other than jihad. Sure it’s on the radar and something to always be concerned about to an extent, but it’s just one of many things. I think there are conservative bloggers and writers who can’t get on board with the one note types who ONLY care about jihad. They may even find it off putting enough to ignore those writers. Geller and Spencer being the most well known.

    As I linked above and you can look at google, Ace’s website still talks about Jihad when it’s topical(as is his want at his site). You just don’t see him linking to Geller anymore(not that he ever did very much anyway)

    Sorry this didn’t post right away. It has 3 links in it and that gets it caught in the spam filter – bfh

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  205. Lady in Red

    July 31st, 2012

    *Very* good questions, JCLady!

    Is it the Constitution? …natl debt reduction…? states rights….? the 2nd amendment (and the 1st, which, mostly, doesn’t apply at IOTW beyond insults)…? support of Israel…?

    I’ve just declined to help my Tea Party register new voters because there is too much chance too many independent/undecideds will fall into Obama’s camp over the forced birthing issue.

    It’s not the gays and the “sanctity” of marriage that troubles these folk.

    But the stealth issue of banning abortion, state by state, claw by claw, terrifies *all* of the folk I know who might, otherwise, be convinced.

    I do think that socialist voter fraud, beyond the union thugs, at colleges and universities, is a biggie, I’d fight.

    James O’Keefe exposed *professors* who voted in person, as well as absentee in another state. Operation Chaos they called it and in one department of UNC, 30 folk voted double.

    That’s worth fighting. The IOTW “stealth issue:” forced birthing…? …is beyond my understanding. No one here has *ever* come up with an argument…. just a “belief,” every bit as strange and foreign to me as stoning women to death with cheering crowds.

    Here’s the link to O’Keefe:

    http://projectveritas.com/node/115

    Click on the video link, inside, for all the creative voter scams. One prof laughed, “Voter fraud is like speeding. Everyone does it. Almost no one gets caught.” ….Lady in Red

    PS: Gastorgrab: Mostly, the thinking here is monolithic. It’s certainly not libertarian. “Social liberals” are hounded with an enormous amount of unChristian vulgarity, married with absolutely no reasoning whatsoever.

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  206. jclady

    August 1st, 2012

    Oh my good gracious, LIR.

    Honey, please get some help. And I mean that sincerely. I promise, I’m not being disparaging.

    You have issues that need to be understood and dealt with so you can get past seeing “forced birther” issues in any conflict that arisea.

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  207. gastorgrab

    August 1st, 2012

    I’d just like to point out that this thread has failed to attack a single Muslim.

    It has failed it’s own purity test.

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  208. Zimriel

    August 1st, 2012

    Point of order? RS is aware enough of me not to like me, and I don’t approve of all that RS does; but RS is not a “hack”. Whatever else we might say of RS, the man thinks for himself.

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  209. Hesperado

    August 1st, 2012

    BigFurHat,

    I forgot to mention, I post at JW as “LemonLime”.

    Thanks for asking.

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  210. Hesperado

    August 1st, 2012

    I’m new at this blog and its comment sections, but I noticed in passing one commenter (“Lady in Red”) post this comment as casually and matter-of-factly as if she were breathing air and enjoying the sunshine on a clear day:

    “Fortunately we have the Moderate Muslims, as well as the Moderate Christians (neither of whom believe in that kinda crazy stuff).”

    As soft-on-Islam as I find a few of the many regular Jihad Watch commenters, I can attest (having been reading its comment threads assiduously for years) that none of them would ever type something as remarkably naive as what I quoted.

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  211. Lady in Red

    August 1st, 2012

    Right-o.

    And the IOTW folk should stop worrying so much about muslims stoning women to death. …Lady in Red

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  212. Hesperado

    August 1st, 2012

    gastorgrab asks:

    “Are all right-leaning blogs expected to be carbon copies of each other? Is there no room for different areas of interest?”

    There can be a wealth of diversity, while still agreeing that Islam is a pernicious ideology motivating evil, injustice and deadly sedition throughout the world, and increasingly in our West, with a fanaticism of horrific potential, and a pathological expansionism to make Hitler’s Lebensraum seem like a Manet picnic on the Seine.

    As long as a “right wing” blog is on the same page in this regard, I don’t care if they also discuss everything under the Sun including the kitchen sink.

    The blog “Mangan’s Miscellany” is a good example of a “right wing” blog that pats itself on the back for having conservative bonafides, but when it comes to the problem of Islam, suddenly sounding hardly different than Fareed Zakaria.

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  213. Helen

    August 1st, 2012

    BigFurHat,

    1. WHAT ad revenue?

    http://pastebin.com/d/weaselzippers.us

    Unless he’s living in a cardboard box, I’m not sure how you can make a living on $77.

    2. Your post used the phrases “whitewashing of jihad,” “creeping silence,” and not as vociferous (…) on the topic of counter jihad.” Your quotes from the person who contacted Atlas stated that Website XXXX wanted him/her to “stop insulting Islam.” So my point was that Weasel Zippers NEVER stopped insulting Islam. Further, where is it written that you cannot possibly do a good job of slamming Muslim fundamentalists without quoting or linking to Pam Gellar? Debbie Schlussel isn’t too fond of her either, and no one would accuse Debbie of being in the tank for Islam. No blogger is under any obligation to link to any other, and any blogger hosting a site is free to edit/block comments. You say that deserves an explanation. I don’t think it does.

    3. Your headline is ”Creeping Silence – How the Elite Right-Wing Blogosphere is Selling You Out” not “Pammy Gellar is Getting the Silent Treatment.” Even if your accusation is true, changing “barbarians” to “savages from hell” is hardly quashing a story, and therefore, readers are not being sold out. So, you have an unnamed ex-blogger, a partial conspiracy theory on the hacking, a snarky comment on what you obviously believe to be WZ dhimmitude, an “independent confirmation” from someone not named, and a confirmation from Robert Spencer, who, as close as he may be to Ms. Gellar, is a third party. Third-person and third-hand accounts don’t even qualify as circumstantial evidence that WZ is afraid of running off advertisers. While all of this might be proof that Ms. Gellar is getting the cold shoulder, you are nowhere close to proving a sell-out by the right-wing blogosphere.

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  214. Hesperado

    August 1st, 2012

    Helen writes:

    “No blogger is under any obligation to link to any other… You say that deserves an explanation. I don’t think it does.”

    Not linking to a blog is one thing; linking to them for a long time (in addition to having a long “hat tip” relationship with them), then rather suddenly not linking to that blog is a different matter, and we peon civilians who read and comment do deserve an explanation; since the subject matter involved isn’t about movie genres, or cooking with extra-virgin olive oil, or how to repair your ten-speed bike, but fanatical and metastasizing terrorism.

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  215. BigFurHat

    August 1st, 2012

    Helen,
    that site estimates WZ at 24,000 visits a day.

    He gets 50,000 a day. So it’s off by half.

    So using 144 bucks a day it’s $52,560 a year. (You count 365 days a year.)

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  216. [...] Spencer: Big Fur Hat over at iOwntheWorld has figured it out: the blogger being discussed below is Weasel Zippers. Zip and I had once been [...]

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  217. Robert Fine

    August 1st, 2012

    What we fear ‘is going on,’ is really going on. No time to step backwards or get a feint heart. It’s ‘go time,’ everyone.

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  218. BigFurHat

    August 1st, 2012

    Helen,

    There are plenty of conservative sites I don’t link to, but I’m not deliberately ostracizing them and calling people and telling them I’m not linking to them because they are linking to the site I don’t like.

    Before I spend too much time with you on this, let me just cut right to a question I ask whenever confronted with this type of tack you’re taking.

    Before I go to the trouble of proving to you that what I’m saying is truthful, what is going to be your reaction if it turns out that Zip is deliberately boycotting Atlas for reasons that have nothing to do with advertisers and everything to do with conforming to the more palatable view of other blogs he wants linkage from? And that he is working in concert with other blogs to boycott Atlas because they simply don’t like her, and that the ex-contributor is telling the truth when he says Zip altered posts to reflect a more palatable covering of stories on Islam, and that Zip said Robert Spencer was responsible for the Norway massacre?

    If you tell me that you’d be a little outraged and that kind of ratf*cking of vital piece of anti-jihad is not something that should be going on on our side, then I’ll keep working on you.

    If you say you wouldn’t care, then why would I waste my time?

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  219. The Shadowmaster

    August 1st, 2012

    Helen:

    This is a more up to date value report for WZ according to the site link you posted.

    “We estimate that this site receives about 32,543 unique visitors per day which converts to a daily revenue stream of $104 USD. The overall value of weaselzippers.us might be around $73,429 USD.”

    $104 a day is not too bad. It adds up pretty well.

    A little over a year and a half ago, WZ went through a policy change. Islamic jihadists were no longer to be insulted as they previously were. No more pictures of Muhammad with a bomb or swastika on his head. No more pictures of pigs sitting on the Koran. No more calling Muslim terrorists “Koranimals.” The policy change was done so that WZ could keep and attract new advertisers. Web traffic was rising at WZ at a great pace and with that dreams of making money. The goal was to make WZ into a daily news site that was more mainstream. It was a very radical place prior to that. Headlines, blogger comments and graphics were uninhibited. It was OK to be offensive to Islam, Obama, Leftists, etc. After the policy change all that stopped. any picture or blogger comment that could be interpreted as anti-Islam was not allowed. WZ continued to cover Islam related news but no headline or blogger comment could be insulting to Islam. Look at WZ posts today about Islam. There are no blogger comments under the pictures and the headlines are done in straightforward AP, Reuters, MSM style. There is nothing wrong with what WZ is doing today. It’s OK to tone down your blog posts in order to make money.

    The problem is, as Pamela Geller said so well in her Atlas post, there is too much “toning down” going on in the conservative blogosphere. We need more blogs that are willing to fight the left and Islamic supremacy without compromise. We need to take off the gloves and put on the brass knuckles. That’s how the Left fights, that’s how Muslim supremacists fight. I know because I used to be a hard-core Marxist. I believed in and practiced a policy of “by any means necessary.” That’s how Obama operates. That’s how his party operates. Democrat union thugs will bust your head and laugh. Leftists will not hesitate to blow you up or throw a firebomb in your face. Conservatives need to stand and fight. If they don’t our freedom will continue to be eroded by the more aggressive, ruthless Left and their Islamist allies. Pam Geller is just trying to get right-bloggers to stand and fight the good fight. WZ has chosen to fight in it’s own way. OK. However, we need other bloggers to take a more aggressive approach to dealing with the enemies of freedom.

    Live free or die.

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  220. BigFurHat

    August 1st, 2012

    Moron,
    I think you’re giving him too much of a pass. The truth might be somewhere in the middle.

    The “selling out” ?

    I think Weasel Zippers sold out at the behest of Ace. I think Ace sold out at the behest of Allahpundit.

    There was a time when Ace began “cleaning up” his act and actually wrote something along the lines of “I can’t advance” because of his past ef bombing and because of the commenters etc. I’m paraphrasing.
    So there is a conscious awareness of what is acceptable and what is not acceptable if you want to get into a different strata.

    Nothing wrong with that. it’s just that I am positive Ace told Zippers that to move into the next tier he’d have to adopt the No Atlas ever, policy.
    Its not the advertisers he’s worried about, that makes no sense. It’s the asses on the ladder ahead of him that he’s responding to because he wants the linkage, the friendship and the keys to the bathroom.

    That’s his right, of course, as it is Atlas’s right to blog a story when she’s told that it was definitely WZ policy to never link to her.
    And that it is Twitchy’s.
    And it’s AoS’s.
    Are you a blogger? If you are you’d feel much differently being in Pamela’s shoes (and you’d look funny too.)
    No, seriously, that sort of stuff can break a person’s spirit. I asked this before, and I’ll ask it again – what have we won if Geller goes away?
    I know the morons would have 100′s of snarky answers for that question, none of them productive or warranted.

    Did you hear at all about Pamela’s remarkable win in court on the 1st amendment isue regarding Islam ads?
    If so, where?

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  221. The Shadowmaster

    August 1st, 2012

    Moron,

    I’m the blogger in Pam’s post. You may be right about Zip wanting to move up by toning it down. But, it’s also true that he wanted ad revenue as soon as possible. That was the main reason behind the policy change.

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  222. Roscoe P. Soultrane

    August 1st, 2012

    Most of the “Elite Right Wing Blogosphere” are nothing more than Republican statists, and the statists are generally pretty ok with Islam, though they don’t practice it themselves.

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  223. NAME REDACTED

    August 1st, 2012

    This goes right to the top of the GOP, btw.

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  224. NAME REDACTED

    August 1st, 2012

    I agree with the other commenters.
    This seems like Alahpundit’s doing

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  225. [...] confirmed that “XXXX” refers to Weasel Zippers following a post by “BigFurHat”, a conservative satirist who created Geller’s logo for [...]

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  226. Weedemout

    August 1st, 2012

    Bottom line is Pamela Geller is not in it for the money, She’s in it for the people — all of us, America, Freedom, National Security.

    Anybody who refuses to link to Atlas has a sorry-ass problem with greed being more important than the future of our country and the safety of our offspring.

    Is there anybody else out there who does even half the work that this patriotic woman does in the fight to keep America a safe place to live? She is out there on the front lines every day even with the death threats. She is a great warrior. Even when I don’t agree with her, I will never turn my back on her.

    Sorry to have to say that I left WZipers. I am taking sides and I side with Pamela.

    IOTW Rocks too! My new homepage.

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  227. theJadedBarrel

    August 1st, 2012

    See.. dianawest.net Story Headline “Spiking the Examiner”

    Get the head out of the sand and look around!

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  228. I Luv Bacon

    August 1st, 2012

    I consider the wz site the Susan B. Coleman foundation of the Elite dhimmi innercircle of the blogesphere.

    Aloha Zipbar.

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  229. theJadedBarrel

    August 1st, 2012

    “it seems iOwnTheWorld is banned.”

    That’s unfortunate. From flame war to Blog-fare.
    and, in it all, the story of the month been silenced.

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  230. Maetenloch

    August 1st, 2012

    BFH, I don’t think you were banned at AoSHQ – that rejection message is a new one to me and looks like the work of the new spam filter added a month or two back.

    And as far as I know there is no ban on linking to Atlas Shrugs or Robert Spencer at AoSHQ. There may be no love lost between Ace and Pam but there’s no policy of shunning her or her blog either.

    Mostly I suspect it’s just that Ace and the other co-bloggers just don’t follow her blog regularly.

    That’s the case for me since 1) I have only a moderate interest in sharia/jihad news 2) the posts at AS generally aren’t self-contained enough so I’d have to explain too much background info for the link to make sense and 3) Pam tends to see conspiratorial connections to jihad/sharia when IMO there’s nothing there e.g. Perry the Dhimmi.

    So the lack of any links is really due to differences in style and interests rather than some secret shunning to curry favor with the elite.

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  231. ThisObamaNation

    August 1st, 2012

    Rush Limbaugh to Ancestry.com: Find Obama’s College Transcripts and Birth Certificate

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2012/07/rush-limbaugh-to-ancestrycom-find.html

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  232. Always On Watch

    August 1st, 2012

    Wow! What a thread!

    Big Fur Hat said:

    Zip called Spencer and said “Do not link to my site anymore.”
    Spancer asked why.
    Zip said because if he did, Pamela might link to that story, and his name would appear on Atlas Shrugs and he wants nothing to do with Atlas.
    The discussion ended with Zip saying that Spencer was responsible for the Norway massacre.

    If Robert Spencer said so, then it must be so, IMO. I’ve never known the man to lie.

    That part about Breivik is beyond ludicrous!

    Of course, when the Norwegian Massacre occurred, all of us in the anti-jihad blogosphere knew that there would be repercussions echoing for a long, long time. In fact, I interviewed Mr. Spencer about that matter on the Internet radio show that I co-host every week.

    When did this phone conversation to which BFH refers take place? Not the exactly date, of course, but the time frame.

    I fail to understand the vitriol directed at Pamela. Every blogger has his own blogging style — for the most part, anyway.

    ————-

    That Diana West essay is alarming, but not surprising.

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  233. 98ZJUSMC

    August 1st, 2012

    This whole kerfuffle…something doesn’t meet the smell test

    *sniff* *sniff-sniff*

    Same here. Me thinks someones being played.

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  234. WiscoDave

    August 1st, 2012

    I think that the part about WZ being “soft” on islam
    has been beaten and kicked thoroughly enough.
    Some articles refer to “asians”; some want to call them “incredibly vicious barbarians.” I think that simply calling them “muslims” is more correct and to the point.
    Some may not know this but ZIP lost his job (and a very nice paycheck) at Fidelity because of what he had said about islam.
    The Spencer/Geller thing is of concern…
    Both Pamela and Robert are warriors in the fight against this evil threat. Yes, they sell books – books that are well written and pass on useful knowledge. I’ve found it far easier to share a book with someone who visits my home than to drag them in front of a computer and bring up a website.
    BFH – I admire your site and respect your loyal defense of P/R.
    I would very much like to hear Zip’s side (from him) of that talk with Robert.

    Okay, it’s telling tales out of school time. Some may not know this, but when Zip was on the balls of his ass years ago, and frankly looking to scrounge together some quick cash, it was Pamela Geller who stepped forward and said we have to get him the money. She learned of his difficulties through Spencer. She didn’t even know Zip, but a friend of Spencer’s was a friend of hers.
    The part of the story that has been left out until now, the part where Zip went from telling Spencer that Atlas needs to be “cut out” to where he nastily said, “you’re responsible for the Norway Massacres” was precipitated by Spencer reminding Zip that it was Geller that came to his aid when he was in need.
    Yes, please, ask Zip about that. Also ask Zip why Weasel Zippers is down. When he says he was hacked ask him to define hacked. -bfh

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  235. 98ZJUSMC

    August 1st, 2012

    3) Pam tends to see conspiratorial connections to jihad/sharia when IMO there’s nothing there e.g. Perry the Dhimmi.

    I used to read her all the time. I got the same feeling. Everything bad seems to have Jihad/Sharia undertones.

    I don’t read comic books (never much of a fan), but I think she kinda paints herself as self-made Superhero against, somewhat imagined, Super-villains. I don’t mean that to belittle her. Not at all. I value her as a warrior on the right. Just my .00002

    Now, next week, when the EMP devices go off in the atmosphere, I’m sure I’ll change my mind.

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  236. Jack Daniels

    August 1st, 2012

    I said above and I will reiterate; we no longer have the luxury of time for cowards, turncoats, or collaborators.

    Those who defend WZ while claiming that his site to be truly anti-jihadist, while in the same breath, vilifying Geller, Spencer and others are doing so at their own detriment.

    Where is WZ in all of this, why do only his defenders speak up on this issue?

    History is replete with those who in the face of the enemy took a non-confrontational position, only to be eliminated once the enemy had no more use of them.

    There were many who felt the founding fathers were excessive or radical in their stand against the oppressive King of England, and they paid the penalty at the hands of those they defended.

    Pamela and Spencer along with a few others, i.e Geert Wilders and Ann Barnhardt are the modern day equivalent of the founding fathers. They see with absolute clarity the imminent threat of a global jihad.

    Anyone, with even a cursory understanding of islam will realize that islam has but one goal; the complete eradication of the Jewish people, ALL Christians and infidels, and not necessarily in that order. They cannot be appeased, rationalized with, nor will they accept a compromise.

    Anyone, and I mean anyone, who takes a soft compromising stand against this coming storm for the sole purpose of personal financial gain or false sense of security is a traitor, a fool, and above all completely ignorant of the reality.

    Either you are for or against the enemy. There is no middle road.

    BFH, Geller, Spencer and others are your friends, your brothers-in-arms, your defenders. They are NOT your enemy, islam is.

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  237. Bob M.

    August 1st, 2012

    REAL Americans KNOW where to get their news AND agitprop, and it sure as shittin’ ain’t no Mohammedan-loving websites. >:-(

    Speaking of which, I gotta go pinch a loaf of Mohammedan here in a moment, but I start out EVERY day here at IOTW for the REAL news – before I follow up anywhere ELSE!

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  238. WiscoDave

    August 1st, 2012

    @Jack Daniels

    Please do not, in any way, infer that my “defense” of WZ means that I am a foe of BFH, Geller and Spencer.
    There are many ways to fight the fight. The one goal must be victory.

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  239. ThisObamaNation

    August 1st, 2012

    Heads Up America!

    DHS Plans A Massive Assault On Your 4th Amendment Rights.

    Soon There Will Thousands Of “Eyes In The Sky” (Drones), Spying On You And Yours.

    DHS Will Be Conducting Routine Warrantless Searches In Violation Of Your 4th Amendment Rights.

    Stand Up For Your Rights!

    Stop Big Sista’s Encroachment On Your Right To Privacy!

    Learn More About The Preserving American Privacy Act That Is Now Being Introduced To Congress.

    http://www.humanevents.com/2012/07/31/rep-ted-poe-the-drones-are-coming/

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  240. MADJACK

    August 1st, 2012

    Oh and the word barbarian is much too nice when talking about muslims. DEPRAVED ANIMALS IS MORE LIKE IT. :mad:

    From Robert Spencer yesterday.

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/smear-media-in-action-eigil-soderin.html

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  241. General P. Malaise

    August 1st, 2012

    once a blog starts to selectively block sites for their views one must ask how can they be trusted on anything.

    it is just like how FOX got rid of Beck and stopped talking about islam. they are down the same path as CNN and ABC.

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  242. General P. Malaise

    August 1st, 2012

    @BigFurHat

    “name one”

    how about Debbie Schlussel

    I suggest everyone read her work and link her site.

    http://www.debbieschlussel.com/

    we are so far behind the curve on this

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  243. Millertime

    August 1st, 2012

    This is a test of the Anti-Jihad system

    Child molesting goat worshipers (and all who would enable them) should suffer their eternity in hell burning in a stew of pig shit and vomit.

    Pam Gellar and Robert Spencer are right on.

    Thank God George Washington and the rest of the Founders were not worried about ad revenues or invites to the media tent for drinks and snacks.

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  244. Jack Daniels

    August 1st, 2012

    @WiscoDave,

    Not at all!, it was said in a general blanketed statement. I did not want to go on a diatribe or rant,(there is already plenty of that on this thread) so I generalized.

    I read all the comments before I wrote my mine, so I am aware of the many ways to fight. I was simply indicating those who DO vilify Geller and Co. and see them as the fringe or enemy whilst defending WZ as a true anti-jihadist.

    Hope this clarifies my point.

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  245. Odel Roo

    August 1st, 2012

    Anybody know of a response from Zip on all of this?

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  246. WiscoDave

    August 1st, 2012

    @Jack Daniels
    No worries. This just seems to be going in several directions at once.
    I didn’t want some to lose track of the goal of stopping and defeating islam and turn this into a “my form of hate is much better than your form of hate so you are so obviously wrong about all of this shit and are a traitorous ass to boot!. So there!!” [please note that "hate" was used generically]

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  247. DanlBoone

    August 1st, 2012

    Jack Daniels posted:
    Where is WZ in all of this, why do only his defenders speak up on this issue?

    __
    bduh– there’s a message in there for ya hot-rod.

    Irony dude–irony–like your avatar

    this purity crap is divisive and malignant

    you get that at all?

    bfh has his condescending, accusatory, sophisticated Big head all the up in his priggish accusatory ass.

    Zip’s joint was hacked like what, ~36hrs ago?

    but in all fairness, reading your rarefied pontificating above would be inspiring and moving for me–if I were 18 yo.

    but, I’m 58–and it strikes me like phhht..up yours

    I guess I just tired of divisive, elitist, accusatory, condescending rhetoric some time ago.

    neither yourself or bfh appreciate the irony of your paradox.

    this is a very stale and malignant purity campaign.

    That old rip-saw, “You are either part of the solution, or you are part of the problem”..

    yeah, that is still a Marxist rant, friend.

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  248. Xavier

    August 1st, 2012

    I’d like to point out that I thoroughly expected to be banned from IOTW and/or have my comments deleted for being intentionally abusive. That hasn’t happened yet.

    To my way of thinking, Geller wrote a vindictive personal attack on WZ. Spencer compounded that by revealing the redacted site to IOTW. There were some poorly worded accusations in that article which have led many of us to defend WZ’s stance on anti-jihad, and her inclusion of a sour-grapes former WZ employee didn’t help her presentation. But, those are side issues; don’t be distracted.

    The only important accusation she’s making is that there’s a behind the scenes effort to silence, oh hell let’s just say it – blackball bloggers. The implications for up and coming non-compliant blogs are staggering.

    I don’t know if that’s truly happening. It concerns me that this story is by about Pam Geller by Pam Geller, and being supported only by close associates like Robert Spencer, and now IOTW. I’ve noticed a few other small blogs picking up this story, so maybe we’ll see some thoughtful analysis soon.

    As BFH pointed out earlier, this isn’t about WZ. I didn’t see that at first. It’s much bigger than that. I’m really looking forward to seeing what Michelle Malkin has to say since she was named in the original article. Her response – or lack of one – is going to say everything.

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  249. DanlBoone

    August 1st, 2012

    no.. it was “If You’re Not Part of The Solution, You Are Part of The Problem”..

    and I know, because I was one of those Marxist hippies ranting that crap..
    SDS wuz my frens

    bduh

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  250. WiscoDave

    August 1st, 2012

    @Xavier & DanlBoone

    Well said!

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  251. WiscoDave

    August 1st, 2012

    @DanlBoone

    Glad you’ve come over. I hear we have cookies! ;)

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  252. WM

    August 1st, 2012

    Rather than address Free Thinker’s criticisms, let me ask Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer, and the host of I Own the World to give Free Thinker NY full administrative privileges on their sites, with the specific instruction that he post on your sites the exact same content that he posted on Weasel Zippers, along with whatever house rules you may have.

    At this point, I’m pretty sure that none of you would be willing to this, but on the off chance I’m wrong, I predict that within three months you’d get a fairly good read on his style and you’d see that Zip bumped him for good cause. To be sure, he wouldn’t last four months on any of your sites.

    Free Thinker is not an honest man and, even worse, his contempt for Islam is so great that it clouds his competence. I’ll give two examples. A couple years ago THE NEW YORK POST ran a story about a man with an Islamic-sounding name who committed a violent crime. Free Thinker posted it with a Muslim-bashing headline and another Muslim-bashing observation in his comment but unfortunately, the man was a Hindu, at least according to the article. As soon as Zip noticed this unmistakable fact, he trashed the post.

    Likewise, there was another story about an American girl who was harassing a Muslim at school, which FTNY inexplicably turned on its head, representing it as a Muslim intimidating a helpless schoolgirl. Nothing in the article corroborated Free Thinker’s interpretation of events and as far as I could tell, he fabricated his entire narrative. Call it free thinking. Also call it another trashed post. Perhaps Robert, Pamela, and I Own the World don’t mind this kind of irresponsible posting. I don’t know. But Zip knew that it immediately reflected on him and his credibility.

    Free Thinker has other issues as well — he’s an angry man, he isolates blacks and gays for particular disdain, and refuses to recognize legitimate authority. You’ll see these first two traits soon enough, if you’re willing to grant him admin access, and I’ll illustrate the third with this example: Zip adopted a “no-Photoshop images” policy some time back, which policy he sent to his editors with an explanation. Despite this, Free Thinker posted Photoshopped pics (if you’re familiar with his work, you’ll agree they’re extremely bad Photoshop jobs). Zip let the first one go by and he sent a reminder to Free Thinker on the second, which was when Free Thinker got clever. He then posted a Photoshopped pic that made you look twice, thinking to yourself, “Is that Photoshopped?” So Zip sent a note to Free Thinker asking if he violated his rule again and Free Thinker flatly stated that the pic was not Photoshopped. An hour later, however, he admitted that he lied to Zip and that it was in fact Photoshopped.

    At this point, I wonder how Robert Spencer would deal with this kind of insubordination, let alone the news articles he egregiously misrepresented to gratuitously slam Islam. Would Spencer allow Free Thinker to undermine his authority and his credibility because, in the end, Free Thinker’s on the same philosophic page as Robert? I doubt it. Would the hosts of I Own the World, who produce high-quality Photoshop material, allow Free Thinker to post his terribly pixilated images with his inane captions? I doubt it. Would Pamela Geller allow Free Thinker to post stories about gays and blacks and then allow him to sully the stories with hateful comments? I doubt it.

    Maybe I’m wrong. So as I stated in my introduction, if Free Thinker is such a credible witness, then try him on for a size. See how he fits on your websites. Give him a password and full admin privilege. Let him post willy-nillly, whenever he wants, whatever he wants, and see how long he lasts. See what kind of surprises he posts on the top of the page at 1 AM, so that you too can wake up to the horror of the day.

    I’ll check back in three months. And after you can his free-thinking ass for being such a dickhead, I’ll show you the courtesy of not fabricating a ridiculous story about how you’re getting soft on Islam. I’ll simply admit the obvious: Free Thinker got what he deserved.

    How does any of this have anything to do with Zip boycotting Atlas? Zip went to Spencer and told him in no uncertain terms that he was to stop reposting stories found on Weasel Zippers because of his association with Atlas Shrugs.
    Free Thinker’s tale, which was told unsolicited, only corroborates what Spencer knew to be true. Free Thinker’s revelation was just a sign, something that fell into Atlas’s lap, that it was time to go on the record about Zip’s policy. It is an AoS \’s policy. It is a Twitchy policy. It is a Hot Air policy. The list goes on and on. But the WZ’s community is quick to say that Zip does his war porn and attacks muzzies and so on and so on. So what is it about Atlas Shrugs that is a revenue killer? Do you see what we’re saying here?
    And this is the treatment Geller gets after she came forward, not knowing who Zip was, because he was in financial trouble? Her “policy” was, any friend of Spencer’s is a friend of mine. When Spencer reminded Zip of this after being told NO MORE SHRUGS, that is when he pulled out the despicable charge – YOU WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE NORWAY MASSACRE-bfh

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  253. ThomNJ

    August 1st, 2012

    Weasel Zippers has been having some commenting issues for a couple of weeks or more – one will see commenters complaining about getting blocked. I doubt they were blocked – especially when their comments do show up at times later in multiples. The site was recently hacked pretty badly, and I have no reason to believe that it wasn’t already being attacked prior to this week.

    Zip is a staunch anti-islam guy from everything I can see. I read Robert Spencer’s and Pam Geller’s site, but I don’t understand why there should be any feuding between them at all.

    Go Zip!

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  254. DanlBoone

    August 1st, 2012

    you’re right, Xavier, I thought I would be banned from the gate–and would have fully deserved it. I also 1/2 lied in that I said I was never a fan of iotw. I’ve never followed the blog closely, but was always well informed by it whenever I have; and, it has wide reference in conservative rhetoric–to which I’m sorta addicted [but it's better than morphine]

    anyhow; I don’t for one second retreat from reduction of my argument.

    I simply publicly denounce my vile person in his guttural molestation of the language in his embarrassingly awkward stumbling attempt to mount a coherent presentation of the Truth..

    look away from please.. I’m hideous

    I’m suing you for copying iOTW’s mission statement – embarrassingly awkward stumbling attempt to mount a coherent presentation of the Truth.. -bfh

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  255. DanlBoone

    August 1st, 2012

    Wisco Dave, I’m loving me some cup a joe right now!
    :- )

    Hey Hoodaticus, thanks for the kind word yesterday, bro. I enjoy your perspective on stuff.

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  256. Dathi

    August 1st, 2012

    I’m with IOTW on this. Even Maetenloch’s rebuttal links only serve to make BFH’s point; When it comes to creeping sharia, AOS has been declawed.

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  257. Xavier

    August 1st, 2012

    Well WM you did what I wouldn’t do – outed Shedowmaster.

    Something I’d like to add is that FTNY’s main criticism of Zip is that he made policy changes to enhance ad revenue.

    SO WHAT? In the real world that’s called good business sense.

    Jeez some of these idiots are just beyond belief…

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  258. BigFurHat

    August 1st, 2012

    WM,
    That was a very detailed, thoughtful and informative post, and it sounds completely plausible. But none of it is germane, in that, Free Thinker (you outed his name, not me) isn’t the topic.
    Free Thinker offered up, unsolicited, a remark about WZ policy regarding Atlas Shrugs. Free Thinker and Pamela are not friends. And Free Thinker would have had no idea whatsoever about the Spencer/Zip conversation, and would have no reason to believe that what he had to say would have any resonance with Pamela Geller at all.
    But of course it did because it was an employee insider verifying what they had already known all along – there is an irrational, systemic conversation going on among many top tier blogs who have deemed Pamela Geller unacceptable.
    Sorry, but this needs to be exposed because it has to be stopped. Look at the comments on AoS anytime Geller’s name is mentioned. They are vile and they are encouraged. While the commenters are busy doing their thing, Geller is in court winning a 1st amendment free speech victory against Islam… *crickets*
    Frankly, the embarrassment in the big picture is AoS, the morons, Weasel Zippers and anyone else that has the Charles Johnson view of Pamela Geller _ “she’s batshit crazy and a screeching harpy and a one-note Mary, or whatever.”
    Whatever the motivation- money, ads, personal vendetta, corporatism, dhimmitude, snobbery, faddishness – the behavior is un-conservative and history will prove it wrong. No one is trying to make Weasel Zippers go away. I can’t say the reverse is true.
    And if forced to make decision on that front – Weasel Zippers v. Geller, or AoS, or Hot Air, (not including Michelle Malkin) it’s a laughable no-brainer. Geller is irreplaceable (as is Malkin) but the others? Are you kidding? We’re pretty much all replaceable. Geller is not. She is not “a blogger.”

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  259. BigFurHat

    August 1st, 2012

    Agreed, Xavier.
    I have no problem at all with Zip making policy changes to enhance revenue. None. I have a problem with him thinking that his “No Atlas Shrugs” policy is a revenue enhancement improvement.
    That doesn’t remotely make sense.

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  260. Mr. Pinko

    August 1st, 2012

    When Conservatives start purging people that don’t 100% agree or fit the mold of what their view of what a Conservative should look or act like, then we are treading the area of Hitler ideology.

    Conservatives with the “tolerance” of a Liberal! LOL

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  261. Dathi

    August 1st, 2012

    I’m looking forward to there being a Thunderdome solution to all of this; “two will enter…..”

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  262. DanlBoone

    August 1st, 2012

    Mr. Pinko posted:
    “When Conservatives start purging people that don’t 100% agree or fit the mold of what their view of what a Conservative should look like, then we are treading the area of Hitler ideology.

    Conservatives with the “tolerance” of a Liberal! LOL”
    __

    excellent command of the language. You’ve articulated their paradox well.

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  263. BigFurHat

    August 1st, 2012

    I think I’ve said all I need to say on this. I can sense, also, when the iOTW readers begin to grow weary of the topic (I’m usually 35 comments late in that realization), and when I’m beating a dead horse.

    The post stands. Comments are open. Unless something earth shattering develops, like Geller growing horns, people are welcomed to offer their opinions.

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  264. DanlBoone

    August 1st, 2012

    the prosecution rests..

    sheesh

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  265. WM

    August 1st, 2012

    Hi Big Fur Hat:

    Actually, it is germane, because you gave FTNY front-page coverage without confirming any of his story with the persons he named. Therefore, if he’s so reliable, go all the way. Give him a password and see how well he gets along with you and how long he lasts. Then when you dump him for being a jerk, tell us whether or not you’d put his stuff on the front page anymore without corroborating it.

    Two other things:

    1. Who wrote the rules for right-wing blog purity and where can I read them?

    2. Do you believe that blog owners have the right to run their sites by their own standards without checking the rules for right-wing blog purity?

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  266. Dathi

    August 1st, 2012

    To be fair….AOS DOES link Pat Condell’s videos, from time to time…..pat as you know, pulls NO punches when it comes to Sharia Law.

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  267. Jaynie59

    August 1st, 2012

    @Mr. Pinko
    “When Conservatives start purging people that don’t 100% agree or fit the mold of what their view of what a Conservative should look or act like, then we are treading the area of Hitler ideology.

    Conservatives with the “tolerance” of a Liberal! LOL”

    You’re dead wrong. The biggest problem with so-called conservative bloggers is that most of them wouldn’t know a conservative if one slapped them upside the head, which is what a lot of them need.

    It’s attitudes like yours that have given us John Boehner and Mitch McConnell as Republican leaders. It’s why John McCain could side with that lying treasonous scumbag John Kerry over the Swift Boat Veterans For Truth. It’s why bloggers like Ed Morrisey and Ace and the NRO boys, who I call the Beta Male Dickless Wonders, still link to Dave Weigel even after Journalist was exposed.

    Funny, isn’t it, that those same so-called conservatives have no problem trashing Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh when they wite about them at all? Yeah, real funny. But Jazz Shaw could write a post with “Hot Air friend Tommy Christopher”. Bite me.

    I’m not really a conservative. I’m an ex-liberal like Andrew Breitbart and that’s why I loved him so much. He got it. He knew the hate the other side has for conservatives, conservatism, America and Western Civilization. Or what they think all that means. All a liberal knows is that Evil Right Christian Conservatives are Evil with a capital E. They hate this country and everything it stands for. They want everyone they think is conservative to die a slow, painful death. They hate you, they hate your ancestors, your children and your grandchildren. They hate your dog.

    Andrew had it exactly right. It’s fuck you. War. And if conservatives don’t have the balls to fight back the least they can do is support those who do have the balls.

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  268. WM

    August 1st, 2012

    And since when does naming a pseudonym constitute “outing”?

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  269. [...] smear that we have “all but surrendered”. I’m not going to get into the issue of Weasel Zippers having a problem with Pam and Robert Spencer. That’s his business. Same with going after Ace Of Spades. What I will say is that I doubt [...]

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  270. muddjuice

    August 1st, 2012

    Wow. I go away for a short time and look what happens.

    Reminds me of the time Fur brought Lemmen (via Ann) to our attention. And some friends of Zilla attacked Fur and iOTW, only to be proved wrong by Fur and iOTW. They went away licking their wounds.

    I agree with Fur on many things. There are things I disagree with but he is a patriot and a straight shooter. I never doubt his honesty, even if I disagree with his point. On the issue of Islam, I agree with him wholeheartedly.

    After going to a speech given by Kamal Saleem and reading the government’s own study (Team B II report) on Islam and Shariah, I am absolutely convinced that the worst threat to America and our clearly superior way of life is Shariah and any acceptance of Shariah.

    The test for whether someone is to be regarded as the enemy or not is their stance on Shariah. Shariah is completely incompatable with the Constitution and the Bible. If anyone, muslim or other, does not condemn shariah law then they are the enemy.

    I don’t follow Pam Geller other than what is linked here. I don’t follow Ann Barnhart other than what’s linked here. Both are warriors and, I’m ashamed to say, have taken up a fight that too many men don’t have the guts for.

    Shariah will be the death of America and every single freedom loving American if it is not stopped in its tracks here.

    Wake up people! Rise up and take a stand. Those who stand for nothing will fall for anything. America is too precious to allow those who bow to shariah to ruin her.

    Fight!!

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  271. Xavier

    August 1st, 2012

    “I have a problem with him thinking that his “No Atlas Shrugs” policy is a revenue enhancement improvement.”

    When that’s proven, I’ll probably agree with you.

    …and I mean exactly that. I’m not being a smart ass, or obstinate. I just won’t condemn Zip on the basis of what’s been presented so far. We’ll see how things develop after WZ is back up and running 100%. My point about FTNY was that the majority of his comments (both here and in the article) don’t have any bearing on the real issue.

    And, what about the other blogs you mentioned? Do they get the same level of “outing”? That would go a long way in proving this wasn’t at least partially a personal attack on WZ.

    And yes this wearies me too. I’m done unless something new develops.

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  272. Billy Fuster

    August 1st, 2012

    Liberals have long been funding clandestine operations against the U.S. using your tax dollars. Solution? Don’t give them tax dollars.

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  273. Troy Riser

    August 1st, 2012

    I read conservative blogs such as AoS all the time and occasionally comment on a few when I feel I have something to contribute to the discussion.

    First off, I like Pamela Gellar personally. I’ve corresponded briefly with her a few times in the past regarding (in both instances) Israel-related foreign policy topics, in which she is (or was) extremely knowledgeable. The reason I was booted off Charles Johnson’s LGF is because I spoke up for her in some kind of weird attack thread he had going over there. (This was just before it became evident to everyone that Johnson is seriously mentally ill: paranoid, grandiose, and hopelessly neurotic.)

    Both Pam and her mentor, Robert Spencer, see Sharia and other expressions of radical Muslim influence everywhere now. Maybe it’s because they’re so immersed in the issue they can’t see anything else. I don’t know. I keep thinking about James Jesus Angleton, the great CIA counterintelligence chief, whose job by definition required that he suspect enemies everywhere. At one point, Angleton grew so paranoid that he came to believe Henry Kissinger, then Secretary of State,was a Soviet agent or under KGB influence. Kissinger heard about it and was more personally concerned about Angleton’s health and state of mind than any damage to his own reputation.

    Same thing here. I like Pam Geller. I worry about her. On the other hand, I don’t like Robert Spencer; rather, I don’t like reading Robert Spencer since It’s difficult for me to actively dislike someone I haven’t met. He strikes me as a something of a twit, an easily offended, pusillanimous pissmire, the nerdy kid always picked last for the team who envisions himself as secret superhero. I’m probably wrong but that’s my impression of the guy and I can’t shake it.

    And this claim of yours that there is some conspiracy at work by top-level conservative blogs to ‘stunt’ Atlas Shrugs’? Please. We’re in the middle of campaign season. Another thing, too: I supported Rick Perry early in the primaries before his debate meltdowns. Does that then make me a ‘Perryite’? A closet dhimmi?

    You folks need to step back a little, take a deep breath, and gain some perspective.

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  274. The Shadowmaster

    August 1st, 2012

    WM is a slick liar of the worst kind. His rant proves that WZ has sold out. I’m sad to hear that. I thought they were just going soft but his statement shows they’ve gone to hell. He should get a job with the Obama campaign. Like Obama, he’s trying to distract you from the fact that he’s been caught doing something fucked up. Look at Bush! Look at Romney and Bain! Don’t look at me. WM says, “Look at FreeThinkerNY! Don’t look at us!” Pathetic. I’m not going to attempt to refute all of his lies, but to say that I somehow hate blacks and gays is fucking low. He is scum.

    What kind of “conservative” plays the race card and homophobia card?

    Believe it or not, I was not that upset when Zip canned me. It was for the best that I moved on and do what I’m doing now at my own blog. I’m now free to post what I want without restriction. I was only sad about leaving WZ because I thought it was a great news site. I was proud of helping to build it into a more popular site.

    Contrary to WM lies, I made every attempt to comply with Zip’s new rules. Sometimes I fucked up and posted something Zip found “offensive” to Islam. I never did that deliberately to violate his rules. I always thought it would be OK. I stopped posting Islam-Nazi pics and comments. I tried very hard to be inoffensive to Islam. If I fucked up occasionally, it was always just a mistake in judgement.

    It’s not racist to expose and criticize the racism of Sharpton, Farrakhan, the new Black Panthers, etc. That’s what I did at WZ and I do on my blog today. I have personal experience dealing with many prominent black nationalist/Marxists.

    I used to support the Black Panthers and every other Marxist group and cause.

    I still have connections in the American Marxist world. I certainly don’t hate blacks or gays. Opposing the gay political agenda does not equal hating gays. That is the tactic used against conservatives by the left.

    The photoshopped picture he calls me a liar about was an ACCIDENT. I did not know it was photoshopped. I thought it was real. That’s not a lie or attempt to trick Zip. I have no problem with pulling a picture like that.

    However, the fact remains that they watered down WZ for money. That’s fine but don’t pretend to be what you used to be.

    The other issue is about Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer. I was very upset when I was told to stop linking to Atlas.

    I did not complain or violate that policy.

    All I can say is Zip and the Master Weasel will never be on Pamela’s or Robert’s level. They will never have the talent and brains to write as well as them. They will never have the courage to fight they way they do.

    Pamela and Robert are not sell-outs. They will never water down their website content for money or ambition.

    I am extremely grateful to Pamela for her support and encouragement. She is a national treasure.

    Weasel Zippers is an appropriate name for weasels.

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  275. Troy Riser

    August 1st, 2012

    I’m not big on Internet anonymity, obviously, but I understand the very legitimate reasons why many people are. That said, it’s hard to take someone seriously who calls themselves ‘Shadowmaster’.

    Grow the hell up, ‘Shadowmaster’. Jesus.

    Wow! You really went point by point on Shadowmaster. I’m impressed. ;-) Mr. Pinko

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  276. FreeThinkerNY

    August 1st, 2012

    By the way. Come to think of it Zip used to post tons of stuff insulting gays. Does he have “anger” issues, too Master Weasel? Does Zips “hippie punching” count as an “anger issue?”

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  277. No Place to Rest

    August 1st, 2012

    I left WZ because they started blocking my pro-Pam Geller friends. Reading the comments above just solidifies my decision to move to IOTW for my news and entertainment.
    Could have been different if WZ put out some kind of information to solve the question at hand.

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  278. FreeThinkerNY

    August 1st, 2012

    Troy: I only used Shadowmaster to deal with this issue.

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  279. Florida Girl

    August 1st, 2012

    I think the instead of finger pointing maybe we all should ask -” Whats the beef with Pamela Geller?”

    Who has a problem with her and why, lets ask the people and get them on the record. Then she can respond

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  280. xthred

    August 1st, 2012

    Great work, bfh.

    I flew from CA to Ohio to attend Pamela’s Rally For Rifqa. Got to shake Pamela’s hand!

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  281. Troy Riser

    August 1st, 2012

    What ‘issue’, Shadow? Clearly, Pam Geller and Robert Spencer enjoy a great deal of support.

    Geller’s and Spencer’s jump-the-shark moment for many of us came when they accused Governor Rick Perry of being a quisling somehow in collusion with radical Islamicists. One doesn’t have to be a big Rick Perry supporter to think such accusations are way, way over-the-top, sure to discredit both the accusers and–by association–conservative blogs linking to their respective sites and columns.

    So no, Pam’s not being ‘stunted’ because she’s too bold and fearless. She’s being not-linked because she blew her credibility on an absurd accusation. Remember Joe McCarthy? Turns out McCarthy was right: there was extensive communist infiltration of the US federal government. And then, of course, McCarthy went after General George Marshall, a great American by any historical measure and, as it turns out, completely innocent of McCarthy’s suspicions. You know the rest.

    It’s about credibility: easy to lose, hard to get back. Geller’s not getting it back by claiming a conspiracy is at work to deny her links.

    You think Pamela Geller stopped Rick “Ooops” Perry from being nominated? LOL Mr. Pinko

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  282. Anony

    August 1st, 2012

    I bet it’s news to Allahpundit that apparently he’s the mastermind behind the rights blogs.

    Conspiracies. Everywhere. I blame this on Sarah Palin and her “ESTABLISHMENT” garbage. Palin is comforting to those who still think America is what it was years ago. It’s not. Until you accept that America has changed, you’re going to look like damn morons to the people who you need to convince.

    Anyone that tells you that people would just love conservative policies if it weren’t for (excuses) is a liar. Conservative policies are tough. If we are going to get them implemented, its going to have to be slow, and we’re going to have to be vague at times. CAPTAIN CONSERVATIVE isn’t going to get elected anywhere but in the most red of counties, especially at this time.

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  283. Hesperado

    August 1st, 2012

    The commenter “WM” above makes allegations about another blogger, “Freethinker”, but provides no evidence for the reader to examine.

    Until WM presents the evidence, I can’t consider WM’s claims at all.

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  284. Helen

    August 1st, 2012

    BigFurHat: “If you tell me that you’d be a little outraged and that kind of ratf*cking of vital piece of anti-jihad is not something that should be going on on our side, then I’ll keep working on you. If you say you wouldn’t care, then why would I waste my time?”

    The Shadowmaster: “The problem is, as Pamela Geller said so well in her Atlas post, there is too much “toning down” going on in the conservative blogosphere. We need more blogs that are willing to fight the left and Islamic supremacy without compromise. We need to take off the gloves and put on the brass knuckles. That’s how the Left fights, that’s how Muslim supremacists fight. I know because I used to be a hard-core Marxist. I believed in and practiced a policy of “by any means necessary.” That’s how Obama operates. That’s how his party operates. Democrat union thugs will bust your head and laugh. Leftists will not hesitate to blow you up or throw a firebomb in your face.”

    To answer you both, while I fully support the right of any one blogger to regulate content on a site he/she is responsible for maintaining, Shadowmaster does make a superior argument of this being an issue in the aggregate. So, while it would be nice to see just a little more bile and venom from the Right, I don’t think WZ should be singled out for persecution, whatever his reasons for the censorship.

    And, aside of the blogging relationship, to accuse anyone of causing a massacre is simply hateful. Blogging is no more responsible for violence than Koran-burnings are. The people responsible are the ones who committed the deed. Period.

    Agreed Helen.
    Spencer or Geller, or the dozens of other people mentioned in that maniac’s manifesto, are as responsible for the massacre as the Beatles are for the Manson murders.
    You can Spencer many many things, one thing he is not is a liar. Plus, Spencer sat on that story for a LONG LONG time. He had no reason to trot it out at this particular point except for the fact that Atlas reached her breaking point with ZIp. This has been a long brewing thing, it wasn’t overnight. Atlas has the right to deflect the piss being rained on her, -bfh

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  285. Eric

    August 1st, 2012

    I personally find it difficult to think that W.Z. is in any way charitable to the militant savages w/in Islam.

    Also, I think you need to realize there can be 2 reasons other sites stop talking about Jihad. One is your idea, the other being some people (myself included) just get tired of blogging about it.

    There are way too many other subjects of more interest to me than religious based hate.

    WZ’s didn’t stop blogging about jihad. That is not the issue. I know this was a long ass post, sorry about that. -bfh

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  286. cupajoe

    August 1st, 2012

    I’m curious why these blogs are being held up to some sort of rules and regulations the public is unaware of.

    Geller and Spencer are intelligent scholars,courageous,focused,intense activist who deal with one subject.They are pen-sword wielding hunters of facts and muslim crime.They pursue muslims into debates,tv appearances and court cases.They want to save the world.They enjoy the limelight and media attention or they wouldn’t appear in public forums.

    WZ is a much different site.They use established sources/articles to transfer information to readers. WZ has muslim stories/attrocities but islam is not its singular focus.He honors our military ,condones atrocities and uses humor to help readers defray their anger.Zip isn’t trying to change opinions,create laws or appear on TV.

    There are vast differences between anti/counter jihad blogs and general interest/ Republican/Conservative/news blogs.

    Linking them together is a bit odd in the 1st place.Their style,material,goals and followers are different.

    I have no idea what a blog owners world is like.The comments and stories on this make it sound like there are conspiracies,a control system,back stabbing and a mysterious hierarchy .

    Is there a rule that says all blog owners must know and like each other,post the same material,agree with 1 style/leader and link their sites ?

    I have no idea what transpired between WZ,Spencer and Geller,and neither does anyone else who wasn’t there, but i doubt WZ is part of a big conspiracy to shut down Geller.

    If there is a problem they should sort it out without 10,000 people interjecting opinions,assumptions ,accusations and threats.

    Because this kind of language only divides and angers,it neither proves,answers or solves anything.

    “whatever other childish shit the readers of AoS trotted out”

    “How the Elite Right-Wing Blogosphere is Selling You Out”

    “silence is sanctioning”

    “Anybody who refuses to link to Atlas has a sorry-ass problem with greed being more important than the future of our country and the safety of our offspring.”

    “This is a test of the Anti-Jihad system”

    “WZ has caved and sold out.”

    “whitewashing of jihad”

    “creeping silence”

    “a coordinated effort to stunt Atlas Shrugs”

    “I think Weasel Zippers sold out at the behest of Ace. I think Ace sold out at the behest of Allahpundit.”

    “Good luck Zippers, sleep well. Maybe Islam will cut your head off last.”

    But thanks for the lovely beheading thought for WZ followers.

    Btw because someone doesn’t rant 24/7 about islam it doesn’t make them a dhimmi,traitor or supporter of jihad.
    Atm alot of people are focused on an issue they can actually do something about, saving the US from another 4 years of Obama,not the 1,000 more muslim murders that occur every month in the ME for the last 1400 years .

    How can you so abjectly miss the point of this post so badly?
    WZ’s is actively contacting bloggers to say “don’t link to me because you are associated with Atlas. You have no problem with that? That’s a good way to do business? No, there are no rules for blogging. You don’t need to have rules for blogging to know that is some shitty stuff. Particularly when Atlas helped him when he was down on the balls of his ass, and she didn’t even know him. When Spencer reminded Drew of that, Drew flew off the handle and said, “you were responsible for the Norway massacre.” That doesn’t break blogging rules, no, no it doesn’t. – bfh

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  287. MaryfromMarin

    August 1st, 2012

    @muddjuice–

    Thank you for your post. Your comments on the danger of shariah are absolutely accurate. People disregard this to their peril.

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  288. muddjuice

    August 1st, 2012

    @ MaryfromMarin

    Thanks. I appreciate that. And I agree. If we bury our heads in the sand it just makes our necks more accessible to their swords….

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  289. Hesperado

    August 1st, 2012

    cupajoe articulates the differences between JW and WZ, among which, supposedly, is:

    “WZ is a much different site.They use established sources/articles to transfer information to readers.”

    Actually, this is precisely what constitutes nearly 99% of Jihad Watch.

    In addition to this function of Jihad Watch — providing a vast clearing house of news reports from other news sources throughout the world (including probably mostly standard Western sources, often mainstream) — Spencer himself then does his extra-curricular activities, such as writing books; debating people on radio, TV and Internet; and participating in various legal and sociopolitical activism.

    PFFFFFFT. How can you compare THAT to a news aggregation site??!!!! Spencer’s a hack, remember? – bfh

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  290. cupajoe

    August 1st, 2012

    Yes but JW focuses on one subject only. islam .
    He studies the quran and memorizes everything down to single word/letter debates in translations.
    Mr.Spencer is an expert on islam ,the quran ,current muslim events and muslim countries .
    A very noble endeavor and important life’s work.

    Ms.Geller’s war on islam is focused more on current events,women’s issues and legal attacks.Also very noble,intense and brave.

    Don’t both of them make a living off their anti-islam work ? Aren’t they doing exactly what they accuse WZ of doing ,earning $ ?

    STOP RIGHT THERE. PAMELA DRUMS UP MONEY FROM DONATIONS TO ACCOMPLISH THE STUFF OTHER PEOPLE GET BUDGETS FOR FROM BIG DONORS. PAMELA PAYS OUT OF HER OWN POCKET. WHEN HER READERS COME UP SHORT. I KNOW THIS FOR A FACT. I KNOW PAMELA HAS HOCKED SHIT TO PAY FOR EVENTS. SO STOP THAT SHIT RIGHT THERE. YES, I’M SHOUTING. BESIDES, WHEN DID PAMELA OR SPENCER CONTACT A BLOG TO SAY IF YOU LINK TO WEASEL ZIPPERS I WILL NEVER LINK TO YOU AGAIN? YOU GUYS ARE DEFENDING THE DEFENSELESS. -bfh

    But is every blog and owner supposed to be comparable to them to prove they are anti-jihad ? Must every blog be linked ,even if the contents differ ? Can we not read about American politics without being labeled ;

    DREW CONTACTED ANOTHER SITE AND SAID “YOU ARE DEAD TO WEASEL ZIPPERS IF YOU LINK TO ATLAS.” WHY IS THIS POINT ELUDING PEOPLE???
    THAT’S NOT SIMPLY NOT LINKING. NOT LINKING IS FINE. WTF IS HE TAKING THE EXTRAORDINARY STEP OF CONTACTING OTHER SITES ABOUT ATLAS?

    DO YOU SEE LINKS TO iOTW ON WZ. I DON’T GIVE A CRAP, I MENTION IT BECAUSE IT IS ODD. WE USED TO GET LINKED. WHEN I BEGAN WORKING WITH PAMELA WE WERE PERSONA NON GRATA.

    “silence is sanctioning”

    “Anybody who refuses to link to Atlas has a sorry-ass problem with greed being more important than the future of our country and the safety of our offspring.”

    “caved and sold out.”

    “whitewashing of jihad”

    “creeping silence”

    Do we all need to take blog tests to prove our dedication to hating islam ?

    Again ,i have no idea why WZ appears to not like Ms.Geller. It could be from childhood for all we know.

    I do know accusing people of being soft on islam ,name calling and snidely wishing every person that posts on WZ – the Zippers, a belated beheading is unproductive,uncalled for and unkind.

    And just for fun- I’ve seen both AS & JW completely ignore stories about muslim activities in the US,like the food stamp/medicare/terrorist funding fraud in 2 states while posting body count stories about the ME.

    If i was as nasty and presumptive as some people ,i would assume it was because the body count stories enflame people and get more replies than simple stealing.But i’m sure they had reasons to ignore fraud by muslims in the US for stories in Egypt .

    WAY TO UNDERMINE YOUR ENTIRE PREVIOUS POINTS WITH THE LAST 2 PARAGRAPHS. I WASTED MY TIME FISKING. -bfh

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  291. cupajoe

    August 1st, 2012

    STOP RIGHT THERE. PAMELA DRUMS UP MONEY FROM DONATIONS TO ACCOMPLISH THE STUFF OTHER PEOPLE GET BUDGETS FOR FROM BIG DONORS. PAMELA PAYS OUT OF HER OWN POCKET. WHEN HER READERS COME UP SHORT. I KNOW THIS FOR A FACT. I KNOW PAMELA HAS HOCKED SHIT TO PAY FOR EVENTS. SO STOP THAT SHIT RIGHT THERE. YES, I’M SHOUTING. BESIDES, WHEN DID PAMELA OR SPENCER CONTACT A BLOG TO SAY IF YOU LINK TO WEASEL ZIPPERS I WILL NEVER LINK TO YOU AGAIN? YOU GUYS ARE DEFENDING THE DEFENSELESS. -bfh

    You may have personal knowledge of Ms Gellers finances but others do not.

    You may have audio recordings of WZ conversations,we do not.

    The only thing i am defending is WZ right to innocence until proven guilty and his right to reply.

    I am simply trying to figure out what exactly is going on ,which is difficult to sort out when the info is one sided.

    But hey feel free to be judge,jury and firing squad to an entire blog and it’s community .

    BECAUSE YOU KNOW EVERYTHING AND EVERY WORD AND EVERY FACT.

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  292. cupajoe

    August 1st, 2012

    And btw you proved my point about some of the negativity and condemnation going on.

    I simply asked;
    Don’t both of them make a living off their anti-islam work ? Aren’t they doing exactly what they accuse WZ of doing ,earning $ ?

    See the question marks ? That means it is a question ,not a fact i am presenting.

    And you replied with screaming and cursing at me about Geller and Spencer’s personal finances .

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  293. Millertime

    August 1st, 2012

    “The only thing i am defending is WZ right to innocence until proven guilty and his right to reply.”

    Sounds like a shit house lawyer

    If WZ wants to play kissy face with people who turn a blind eye towards truth, he needs to come clean – selling out sucks, doesn’t it?

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  294. Troy Riser

    August 1st, 2012

    The guy above me wrote, “If WZ wants to play kissy face with people who turn a blind eye towards truth, he needs to come clean – selling out sucks, doesn’t it?”

    Some of you are just straight-up delusional. You’re talking about blogs here, remember? The Internet? No one is selling out to anyone. No one is turning a blind eye to ‘the truth’. There is no vast conspiracy determined to deny website links against blogs and bloggers very few know or care about in the real world.

    Look, some of you might feel you’re a soldier engaged in pitched battle against the forces of evil. In reality, you’re just someone crouched over a keyboard, typing and clicking a mouse, posting little data bits on a screen.

    Get a grip, a life, and a clue. Blogs serve a valuable purpose, certainly, highlighting news, disseminating ideas, and bringing stories to prominence that otherwise might be buried by the MSM. However, claiming some guy running some relatively obscure political website is ‘selling out’ by not linking to another, equally unknown blogger is just plain ridiculous. Some of you are overstating the case beyond all reason. Do you honestly believe this kind of breathless hyperbole will bring anyone over to your point of view?

    It’s this kind of insular, echo-chamber thinking that led Pam Geller to conclude that Rick Perry is somehow in cahoots with the Jihad. Cut it out, please.

    You have no idea who Pamela Geller is, do you? You think she’s a blogger? You think she’s typing all day? This is what makes me mad, ill=informed people. Educate yourself and learn what this woman does and accomplishes. You’ll never know , though, if all you do is hang out at WZ. – bfh

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  295. Millertime

    August 2nd, 2012

    Troy

    Suck a bag of dicks

    Faggot

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  296. Hesperado

    August 2nd, 2012

    I haven’t done an in-depth study of the matter, but does anyone else notice that since Spencer & Geller brought this whole brouhaha to light, WZ has been rather suddenly publishing markedly more Islam-related posts than he used to? Seems like 90% of the stories there are about the Islam problem in the last few days; whereas before, it was more like 5%.

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  297. FreeThinkerNY

    August 2nd, 2012

    Hesperado: Drew must have some new Muslim advertisers.

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  298. Honest Politicians 4 Sale

    August 2nd, 2012

    Even if Pamela Geller made millions of $s from her website, she would never have the time to spend any of it nor would she have any left to spend after paying for her jihad-fighting expenses and extra security costs. I don’t know how that magnificent woman ever finds time to sleep with her busy schedule. She never lets up, she is going full-throttle full-time.

    If you don’t want to link to her, that’s your business. But if you choose to block her for whatever reason — how about letting the rest of us know WHY?
    That is the big question here that some are missing — For What Reason?

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  299. Ron Edge

    August 2nd, 2012

    Troy Riser:
    Ms.Geller never accused Perry of being a “Quisling”.
    She never “accused Perry” of anything.

    She DID provide several facts from the collaboration of Aga Khan and Perry in the Texas school curriculum concerning the “indoctrination” of school children into Islam by public schools around the State; she DID ask, pointedly… several times… why the links became broken AFTER her initial Posting concerning this “Islamic Curriculum”; she DID ask why other areas were de-linked; she DID ask why the Google, et al caches concerning the Islamic Indoctrination were also emptied.

    She DID ask several questions about Perry’s/Khan’s motives in planning and establishing this Islamic Ideology in the USA School curriculum.

    I think she also asked where was the ACLU which, in any case involving Islamism/Islamists, was, and is, totally silent about such egregious meshing of “Church and State”.

    I suppose they keep their distance because it’s NOT a “Church” Religion but a “Mosque” Religion… However, it’s certainly “Establishing a Religion” in the schools of Texas, which is how the Constitutional Clause actually reads: NOT “Church”.

    I was, and am still, amazed when AoS, and other so-called “Conservative Sites”, went ballistic!! Without even referring to her facts-on-the-ground (inside the Texas schools), they lambasted her from every direction. Only RS @ JW defended her and added some facts of his own in re of the Perry/Khan partnership; and “partnership” it is!!

    Simply because one is “Conservative” doesn’t mean he/she won’t accept self-enforced Dhimmitude in order to hang on to their valuables: Job, Career, Access, Money, Election, etc., etc . AND, force their “Dhimmitude” on others in their circles.

    This was about a year ago: about the same time Geller and Spencer started their slide into ‘Links Purgatory’ with Geller taking the brunt.

    I’m surprised none of this was mentioned by the various belligerents above.

    Forgive any mistakes I’ve made: I’m not a Blogger: Hell, I’m barely a Surfer and hardly a day goes by without me asking one of my Sons, “Can I do this? Should I do that? As for “What if…??” OMG!! Nearly endless…

    They must not mind to much: for my birthday they presented me with a brand-new MAC to replace my 9-year old machine along with a 30×18(?) screen.

    I’ve included 4-links below, 2-from each. The 1st is an early Post and the 2nd is a follow-up. There are many more after them: they’re just to get you, and any one else who desires to be informed of the FACTS, started.

    Just think: there are powerful Conservatives who, literally, will destroy one, or more, of his/her own ‘kind’ to further, AND feather, their own standings/nests.

    Geller’s:

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/08/perryaga-curriculum-shocking-example-of-islamic-propaganda-forced-upon-unsuspecting-students-attendi.html

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/08/here-is-aga-khan-perry-curriculum-scrubbed-from-web-cached-scrubbed-from-google-today.html

    Spencer’s:

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/08/the-first-time-this-was.html

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/08/all-traces-of-perryaga-khan-curriculum-removed-from-web.html

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  300. Aloysius Mahoney

    August 2nd, 2012

    @hesparododo: your the Matterhorn of bullshit deal with it

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  301. Troy Riser

    August 2nd, 2012

    You have no idea who Pamela Geller is, do you? You think she’s a blogger? You think she’s typing all day? This is what makes me mad, ill=informed people. Educate yourself and learn what this woman does and accomplishes. You’ll never know , though, if all you do is hang out at WZ. – bfh

    No, I don’t hang out at WZ. Not that it matters, but I caught wind of this controversy while checking out AoS. Yes, I know who Pam Geller is and–until she accused Rick Perry of being a double agent for the Islamic Jihad–I once followed her site fairly regularly. After that, her credibility completely blown (at least with me), I more or less dismissed her as unserious.

    Insofar as some of the invective aimed my way is concerned, I see a few of you anonymous heroes are truly the cowardly keyboard commandos I think you are. You disagree with my posts? Then argue the point using reasoned argument. Calling me names while hiding behind ridiculous pseudonyms reinforces that whole basement-dwelling, chickenshit first impression.

    Yes, militant Islam is a serious threat. You and yours are not a serious counter-measure against it.

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  302. Mr.Pinko

    August 2nd, 2012

    @ Troy Riser

    Pamela Geller was right – Rick “Ooops” Perry was a poor choice to run against “You Didn’t Build That” Obama. Rick “Ooops” Perry proved it with his poor performance in the nomination process.
    My favorite choices didn’t make it either – I’m not going to spend my days crying about it or holding vendettas against people who had other horses in the race.

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  303. Mr.Pinko

    August 2nd, 2012

    @Troy Riser

    “Yes, militant Islam is a serious threat. You and yours are not a serious counter-measure against it.”

    Pamela Geller has been on the front with a more than serious counter-measure. Her work is invaluable.

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  304. Mr.Pinko

    August 2nd, 2012

    Let’s put it in simple terms

    Weasel Zippers = blog

    Pamela Geller = activist (who’s work goes under-appreciated, disrespected and ATTACKED by some on THE RIGHT!)

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  305. Troy Riser

    August 2nd, 2012

    Mr. Pinko, I agree Rick Perry was a disapointing primary candidate for a number of reasons, but that wasn’t what I was referring to and certainly not why I (or anyone) no longer take Pam Geller seriously. Pam Geller, Tom Tancredo, and (presumably although I’m not sure) Robert Spencer claimed Perry was some kind of double agent for the Islamic Jihad, engaging in a “Secret Sharia Conspiracy”. Not kidding.

    No, I know you are not kidding. I do believe the false narrative you are putting forth is believed by you ignorantly and with all your heart. Ace did his job well. But, then again, it wasn’t all that hard to do, was it? -bfh

    So no, it isn’t sour grapes on my part–or anyone else’s. It’s the sheer absurdity of the claim. Geller lost her credibility. To get it back, she needs to walk it back, not double down.

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  306. BigFurHat

    August 2nd, 2012

    Troy, you’re getting your information, ispo facto: marching orders, from Ace of Ace of Spades, one of the many bloggers who blogs personal vendetta instead of facts.

    Go read Geller’s posts about Perry.
    She never said he was in a Secret Sharia Conspiracy

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/08/pamela-geller-in-the-american-thinker-smearing-geller-on-perry.html

    The concerns were that an Islamic Curriculum WAS approved by the Perry administration (this is fact, not fantasy), a curriculum that whitewashed Islamic Texts of violence, pedophilia, jihad, cultural conquests etc. That is unacceptable.
    Also:
    Atlas exposed Perry for having an intimate relationship with Grover Norquist after the Perry team said they were just casual acquaintances.
    Again, unacceptable.

    You can forgive a candidate for many things, being mentally vacant of the threat of Islam from within is not one of them.
    I won’t support Chris Christie after he said “these Sharia nuts.”
    Ya, we’re CRAZY!!!! Islam is totally not on the march.
    There are 2 types of jihadists.
    -The ones who fly planes into buildings.
    -The ones who work to get whitewashed Islamic texts into our schools.
    They are one in the same, the difference being speed of the jihad.
    The terrorist is the “world can’t wait” sect.
    The others are the bansai tree cultivators. They have patience.

    But get your info from Ace, an admitted social misfit who was pissed that his misogyny was outed when he said to Geller (when they were not enemies) “hey, you really do have nice tits.”

    If you’re an asshole and your readers are morons, what you get is the smearing of an invaluable force, the biggest smear being that “she’s just a blogger.”
    ACE is just a blogger, he’s a good one, one of the best, but there is a big difference.

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  307. Troy Riser

    August 2nd, 2012

    bfh, I don’t take marching orders from anyone, thanks.

    Further, I–oh, hey, wait, what? I’m sorry, but did I read this correctly? Did you just write that Pam Geller has proved Rick Perry and Grover Norquist had an ‘intimate’ relationship? Haven’t heard this one before but I’ve got to ask: what exactly constitutes proof of this truly astonishing political slash/fic pairing, anyway? Love letters? Incriminating photos? Motel receipts?

    I didn’t need that mental image in my head, thanks. No one does.

    Where was I? Oh, yeah: credibility. Keep pushing that Perry/Norquist match-up and you’ll hear the word used a lot, guaranteed.

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  308. BigFurHat

    August 2nd, 2012

    “Intimate” doesn’t mean sexual. But you’ve illustrated perfectly the technique one uses to turn a phrase into your own hyperbolic gaspings in order to dismiss truth.

    Perry’s camp said they had no relationship with Norquist.
    Geller proved that Norquist and Perry vacationed together.
    Geller has the e-mails from parents of the district in Texas that didn’t know where to turn on the curriculum issue because no one was covering it.
    THEY saw the curriculum. They were concerned with Perry
    When the story heated up THEY PULLED IT DOWN. Why?
    Perry didn’t have a secret prayer mat in the closet. He is just as stupid as George Bush. Religion of Peace. Ya, okay.

    But I understand your irrational hatred. I’ve been to the zoo. I’ve seen the monkey house.
    Oh, speaking of e-mails.
    http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=143795

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  309. BigFurHat

    August 2nd, 2012

     
  310. Xavier

    August 2nd, 2012

    [Polite tone] How is that email out of bounds?

    Not wanting to link to AS isn’t the same thing as colluding to deny linkage, and I thought we agreed in this thread that it was valid for bloggers to have control over links on their sites. This email is meaningless in light of the accusations.

    Show me one that says, “Zip won’t link Website XYZ if he links to AS”, per your example in this thread, and then I’ll listen. Hell, show me *anything* that backs up the claims being made, but at least make sure it’s not just insinuation.

    Let me be perfectly clear – I’m not defending WZ. I want the truth, whatever it may be. But accusations require proof.

    Calmly and respectfully,

    X

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  311. BigFurHat

    August 2nd, 2012

    So, you want the Zip e-mails to Robert Spencer?
    if it exists stiil,
    done.
    Sorry to slow roll you.
    But you will soon see what’s what.

    I’ll have them as soon as Robert and Pamela get back from Stockholm. They left today at the request of the people fighting in Scandinavia to help stop the entire region from falling into control of Islam.
    Didn’t Ace and Zip get that invite?

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  312. BigFurHat

    August 2nd, 2012

    One thing, though.
    If I’m able to produce the e-mail where Zip tells Robert that Robert is being cut out because he links to Atlas, I don’t want to hear any mealy-mouthed bullshit as you attempt to walk back, and be an apologist. or explain that it isn’t all that bad, etc. as I produce what you ask me to produce.

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  313. Lady in Red

    August 2nd, 2012

    This is strange, Fur. Seems very much over-the-top on your part…. Shit happens. Life isn’t fair. Lots of people do right things for wrong reasons and vice versa.

    What do you hope to accomplish? What is your goal here?

    Does your wife know about your relationship with Pamela Geller? …smile. ….Lady in Red

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  314. Xavier

    August 2nd, 2012

    @BFH

    Agreed. And, it doesn’t even have to be those emails. It doesn’t even have to involve WZ; I’m not defending Zip nor am I looking to harm him.

    I simply want to know if the accusations of collusion to starve AS via linkage denial are true and I think others want to know, too.

    Let’s say my opinions are “evolving”.

    We’re all on the same side here; Islam is the enemy. I just have the view that adjusting policy so you can afford to blog full time, or make more money, isn’t the same as willfully disregarding the threat of jihad. Choking out fellow bloggers, however, deserves a horsewhipping. Unless they’re liberals. ;)

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  315. BigFurHat

    August 2nd, 2012

    I totally agree with you in your last paragraph.
    The sell-out is not NOT doing jihad, or doing it the right way.
    If Zip tones down his rhetoric to become more corporate that’s his business. I hope he does well.
    I don’t even care if he decides not to blog jihad at all.
    Geller’s take is not exactly what I am saying.
    She might be upset if people aren’t blogging jihad as much, that’s her angle.

    My angle is the extraordinary step Zip has taken to say that he won’t even link to sites that are linking Geller – that is an outrageous whisper campaign.
    Being one step removed wouldn’t effect his ad stream, let alone two, and he knows it.
    And for whatever personal reason they have for doing this (and yes, it is THEY) it is a horrible injustice that Geller does not deserve.
    Nobody, so far, is able to articulate why she should receive this treatment with any coherence.
    Whatever reason they have is simply out of proportion to the treatment she receives.
    When you consider her accomplishments in the cause of free speech it because ludicrous.

    It’s been pointed out by many, in a thinly veiled antisemitic attack, that Pamela is a Jew working on behalf of Jews.
    Really?
    That is why she put her life on the line saving Rifqa, right?
    It’s why she set up a foundation where Muslim women can safely become apostates?
    It’s why she tried to get the “suicide case of Fatima” re-opened as a murder investigation, right?
    It’s why she countered an anti-Christian NY Times ad with one of her own.
    It’s because she is a great human being, not a Jew, that she protects Muslim women and Christians from these savages.

    How could Zip ever, with any conscious at all, participate in this conscious ratf*cking?

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  316. BigFurHat

    August 2nd, 2012

    >> Lots of people do right things for wrong reasons and vice versa.>>

    Who is doing wrong things for the right reasons?

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  317. Xavier

    August 2nd, 2012

    1] It’s the “they” that I’m most interested in.

    2] I follow your logic and agree with your conclusion, conditionally.

    Although I’m not defending Zip, I confess to some degree of comradery – he’s always treated me well and I do have respect for him. I suppose if the situation were reversed, most of the community here would be taking up for you. I’m simply not going to accept accusations without proof – and I think that’s reasonable. You may have personal relationships with Geller and Spencer, etc, to use as a basis for your beliefs – I do not. I don’t know what my reaction will be if you do produce irrefutable evidence, other than the guarantee I gave you to not try to weasel out of the facts. LOL see what I did there?

    I’m going back to AS and Maggie’s to finish my reading. As I said, evolving.

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  318. [...] seems to be what Pamela Geller is trying in her latest plea for attention.  This dude seems to be taking up her banner, as well.  The crux of it seems to be that Pamela and her fans are upset that she is not linked to [...]

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  319. Robert Spencer

    August 3rd, 2012

    Since it is the topic of so much discussion, I thought I would post the email in which the man behind Weasel Zippers asked me to stop linking him (it was an email, not a phone conversation). I received this email from Zip on August 17, 2011:

    This is off the record:

    I’ve read and re-read all of this Perry is a fifth-columnist stuff Pamela is writing that originated with Salon and to be honest, it sickens me. There way too much guilt by association to take it even remotely seriously.

    I need to ask you and your writers to stop hat-tipping my site because more often than not she uses the same tip (usually cut and pasted directly onto Atlas Shrugs) and I don’t want to be associated with her in the slightest.

    It’s nothing personal with you, I’ve always and still do respect you but she has gone too far with this one.

    This is alienating a lot of people besides myself.

    I responded:

    Oh, how ridiculous.

    Answers to the evidence she has presented? Why, no. Of course not.

    You want me to delink you also? Hey, no problem. Just say the word.

    Alienating a lot of people that we cannot even have a discussion about Perry? Why, yes, you have done that.

    The exchange degenerated from there, until finally Zip wrote me this:

    What’s it like being a smart guy playing second-fiddle to an illiterate attention whore?

    I’m told that the man posting as WM above is the same man who was the Jihad Watch tech man for a considerable time; he even designed the present site, although he stopped answering my emails or doing any work on the site quite some time ago, around the time he started doing extensive work for Weasel Zippers.

    I called him about this controversy a couple of days ago. He told me that Zip’s policy was to report on jihad outside the U.S., but to ignore the stealth jihad, creeping Sharia, and most jihad plotting inside the U.S., as he didn’t want to be associated with Pamela Geller and me, so as to avoid the taint of the Norway killings — he is the only person outside of Leftists and Islamic supremacists who seriously thinks we are responsible for that evil madman’s actions.

    He also told me that Weasel Zippers was not hacked, but that he himself had recently fallen out with Zip after Zip had failed to pay him the amount they had agreed upon for his extensive work on that site. He consulted a lawyer, he said, and removed all the design elements and other things he had added to the site, rendering it inoperative — on the same day that Pamela posted her original piece about the Right abandoning the jihad. A coincidence, I’m sure.

    I am not sure how much of what he told me is true, or to what extent it is true, as he himself has not been fully honest with me about his long disappearance and non-responsiveness to my numerous requests for technical help (for which I did pay him). But if any of this is true, it certainly illuminates much of Zip’s current stance and the situation in general.

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  320. Xavier

    August 3rd, 2012

    @ What if, etc.

    I’ve never been anti-Geller but only read her stuff occasionally. In light of the conversation I’ve decided to educate myself a bit more on her positions. My interest here is whether or not a group of bloggers have decided to starve out another blog by denying linkage, as suggested.

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  321. Xavier

    August 3rd, 2012

    @ Spencer

    Thank you for responding, and for your work.

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  322. muddjuice

    August 3rd, 2012

    @ Xavier

    You seem to be a good, reasonable person. You seem to have common sense and a thirst for the truth. Welcome to iOTW.

    We don’t blindly follow (or agree with) everything Fur writes. It makes for lively discussions. But we all want the truth. If you’re looking for a place to offer your honest opinion and have people be honest back, you’ve found it.

    Except Lady in Red. She just wants to have the right to murder innocent babies in the womb. She’s like the sideshow attraction at the carnival. We keep her around out of morbid curiosity…

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  323. muddjuice

    August 3rd, 2012

    And I’ll reiterate.

    My only take on this whole matter is that shariah is a grave threat to America and to everyone of us. If you have family, friends, neighbors or co-workers who support shariah, they are the enemy.

    I’m not talking about those who don’t know about it. They just need to be enlightened. I’m talking about those who endorse and support it.

    SHARIAH is EVIL….

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  324. Troy Riser

    August 3rd, 2012

    bfh, you wrote, “…But I understand your irrational hatred. I’ve been to the zoo. I’ve seen the monkey house.” And then you linked to two identical emails with addys redacted and without explanation or context, telling me those are examples of ‘hate’. I have no idea what you’re talking about.

    First off, no one can rationally blame Robert Spencer or Pamela Geller for crimes committed by a mass-murdering maniac in Norway any more than one can blame the Beatles for the Tate-LaBianca murders committed by Charles Manson’s ‘family’. Crazy does crazy. It doesn’t need a reason.

    Spencer and Geller lost credibility on that whole Rick Perry deal just as Joe McCarthy lost credibility all those decades ago when he accused General George Marshall of being a communist agent. True enough, militant Islam is a serious threat now just as communist influence was then, but claiming good Americans like Perry or great Americans like Marshall are enemy agents of some sort or another is a sure-fire way to self-destruct an otherwise noble undertaking.

    Another thing, too: some of you folks are too immersed in this Internet stuff, forgetting that online exchanges between anonymous strangers are largely inconsequential. A guy calling himself ‘Weasel Zippers’ says he won’t link to a given website for such-and-such reason. Affronted, the rejected website owner initiates ridiculous blog war. Hilarity ensues.

    As an aside, I must say I find the idea of Grover Norquist going from state to state, from governor to governor, exchanging sexual favors for fiscal responsibility breathtakingly original. Norquist’s plan is truly out-of-the-box, and his patriotism is awe-inspiring. Talk about taking one for the team.

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  325. Honest Politicians 4 Sale

    August 3rd, 2012

    Robert Spencer, thank you for clearing that up, and thank you for your hard work in the fight.
    Peace and Blessings to you.

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  326. Xavier

    August 3rd, 2012

    @muddjuice

    Thanks, that’s very kind. I’ll lurk a bit and try to pick up the feel of the place.

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  327. muddjuice

    August 3rd, 2012

    Lurking is what lured me. That and the funny comments by the posters and the commenters alike.

    I’ve never seen funnier comments than by people here. Wittiest place on the web…..

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  328. Troy Riser

    August 3rd, 2012

    @Robert Spencer

    You’re being disingenuous. You’re not interested in ‘having a discussion about Perry’. Geller has made specific claims and pointed accusations, most of which come across as wildly inflammatory and tinfoil-hat conspiratorial, and you, her colleague, have used the credibility accrued among conservatives generated by your Jihad Watch site and columns to support her efforts.

    So clarify, please: are you standing by Geller’s claim that Texas Governor Rick Perry was/is acting as an of ‘agent of influence’ (an old Cold War term that seems to fit) for foreign interests intent upon imposing Sharia in the United States?

    Here’s your chance. The ‘discussion’ about Perry, a sitting governor and former presidential candidate, can be distilled here to yes or no. If yes, show proof since Geller’s claims, if true, have enormous poltical ramifications; e.g., imagine the damage to national security caused by a major state governor actively colluding with foreign interests hostile to the United States.

    If no, you don’t buy into her allegations but really value her friendship and so on, then own it and take the commensurate hit to your own credibility.

    Put up or shut up.

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  329. DanlBoone

    August 3rd, 2012

    drag

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  330. DanlBoone

    August 3rd, 2012

    ot–

    Ex CFO Douche pulls up to the Chik Fil A window and says, “Not a gay in me, I’ve always had this effeminate affect.”

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  331. Xavier

    August 3rd, 2012

    Danl go on up top and show ‘em yer snark. That story’s up now.

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  332. DanlBoone

    August 3rd, 2012

    ex CFO-douche pulls up to Chik Fil A window and says, “exploiting your vulnerability and abusing you is my purposeful purpose.. not a guy gay in me..”

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  333. DanlBoone

    August 3rd, 2012

    +5 Xavier!

    just on a personal perspective level, I’m not sitting on any of this like some sort of arbiter of truth [Truth]..

    I know that many of the persons actually involved in the thread topic, are Christians.

    I’m not spinning that any sort of way; except for a real expectation on my part that, an exceeding or transcending, if you will, peace to result from the matter.

    not absence of strife, but an overcoming goodness from the very people involved.

    I respect the people being discussed. They have, to an individual, informed me well over the years [just like all the other innertoobers] I feel for them. drag.

    It’s neither here nor there, but most often, whenever I have read Robert or Pamela, or about either of them and their [our] struggles, I was moved to lift them up before the Throne of Grace in my heart. Nothing so noble sounding as might be errantly perceived–more like flat out warfare

    but not with flesh and blood–with corruption in high places.

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  334. muddjuice

    August 3rd, 2012

    huh?

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  335. BigFurHat

    August 3rd, 2012

    There’s a lot of “put up or shut up” talk going on in this thread.

    I have my own PUOSU -

    To all the right-wing bloggers, or readers of certain sites, that have been shooting form the hip, calling either Geller, or Spencer, or both, crazy, put up this site in your blogroll (or ask your favorite site to do so.)

    Thank you,
    http://www.loonwatch.com/site-map/

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  336. Troy Riser

    August 3rd, 2012

    Wasn’t shooting from the hip, sport. Either Geller’s outlandish claims regarding Rick Perry are true or they’re not. If her claims are not true–and she must know if they’re true or not–then she’s consciously smearing a prominent fellow conservative. If true, then the Governor of Texas is acting for a foreign agent in a manner inimical to the safety and security of the United States–big news, indeed. I’m sure the MSM would be eager to jump on such a story, given that big-name, state and national-level Republicans would be directly implicated.

    No reputable conservative blog has an obligation to link to a crank rapidly veering off into the abyss of the fringe, where she can hang out with the likes of Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul and they can discuss the Bilderburger plot to enslave humanity by means of secret spider-goat hybridization experiments.

    Embrace and defend kooks and you become considered a kook yourself, discrediting all that was good about your cause. That’s why the major conservative blogs aren’t linking Geller. It isn’t a conspiracy or a cover-up. It’s good judgement.

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  337. Robert Spencer

    August 3rd, 2012

    BFH: I love your put up or shut up comment.

    Troy Riser: This is not about Perry. The Rick Perry curriculum business has been gone over and over, and I stand by what Pamela Geller and I discovered and wrote about it. You are welcome to search the archives at Atlas Shrugs, Jihad Watch and elsewhere, and read all about it.

    This post, on the other hand and my posts at Jihad Watch about this, and Pamela’s original post at Atlas Shrugs, are about how people on the Right muted their coverage of Islam and jihad in order to secure money and influence — including Weasel Zippers, but not limited to him. He is just one example of what many have done. He became the example here because one of his former writers told the truth about him. But his duplicity, half-measures and cowardice are all too drearily common on the Right.

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  338. Katechon

    August 3rd, 2012

    It’s simple: Islam is an evil polical system that needs to be exterminated.

    The system, not the Muslims. Liberate the Muslims from Islam: that’s a Christian duty.

    Also: Islam is the Anti-Israel, it feeds on Jewish Flesh&Blood. Christians have the duty to protect the people Israel, since those people have been elected by God as the chosen People.

    Total Hospitality to the people of Israel.
    Total Hostility to Islam, to save the folks from its satanic domination.

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  339. Stirrin the B.S.

    August 3rd, 2012

    Troy, you’ve worked yourself into quite a lather, pal. I don’t know where or how you twisted Pam Geller criticizing Perry for approving a whitewashed version of islam being injected into the Texas curriculum, into Pam Geller accusing Rick Perry of being a double agent for the Islamic Jihad.

    Provide a link to that quote, so we can see where your coming from.

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  340. uncivil & right

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  341. muddjuice

    August 3rd, 2012

    @ Troy

    …and there are too many examples of people in gov’t giving shariah a pass. Read the gov’t’s own report on it, the Team B II Report. Read it and I bet the tune you’re singing changes dramatically.

    This is so not about Perry in my mind. It’s about the entire US gov’t. From governors to congressman to presidents.

    This country, especially the leaders, need to wake up….

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  342. muddjuice

    August 3rd, 2012

    I’ve tried to post twice on this subject but they aren’t going through. Fur, have you banned me?

    If you were banned you wouldn’t be able to ask if you were banned.
    I don’t know why they were spiked, but I fished them out.
    (We don’t ban people. 3 years there has been 3 people, all lefties. -bfh)

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  343. Troy Riser

    August 3rd, 2012

    No, sorry, Robert, no ‘Hey! Look over here!’ misdirection. This isn’t about popular blogs attempting to downplay issues pertaining to Islamic jihad or terrorism. That bit about Rick Perry being in thrall to Aga Khan (and hence a quisling for the Jihad) is the primary reason Pam Geller is finding it problematic gaining exposure via the more popular conservative sites. Impugning the integrity of the people running these sites by claiming they’re receiving some sort of direct or indirect financial benefit for not linking Geller’s site (or yours, for all I know) is character assassination, plain and simple. That you would source a man who once did some work for WZ and whose name you won’t use (or don’t know) doesn’t exactly scream veracity. What he told you regarding WZ’s motives wouldn’t be admissible anywhere but in a blog forum.

    Your implicit claim is that the truth; rather, The Truth capital ‘T’, is being stifled. Well, here’s the truth: Governor Perry gave a public introduction to ‘His Highness’ Aga Khan, the religious leader of the Ismailis, a Muslim Shiite religious sect, and it’s also known (via Salon) that Perry has comparatively close ties, social and political, with the Muslim community in Texas. Naturally, when Pam Geller sees ‘close ties’ and ‘fundraising’, she immediately leaps to the conclusion Perry is an agent for the Jihad. I mean, who wouldn’t? Wait, hardly anyone would. You would. Pam Geller certainly did.

    Politicians go where the votes and the money are or they don’t stay in politics for long. Perry is no different in that regard. The Muslim community is part of his constituency. That he doesn’t show overt hostility to them is to his credit, and doesn’t mean he’s a fellow traveler on the path of Jihad.

    Truth is, Perry probably didn’t think much about the Aga Khan introduction when he made it. Like most high-level public officials, he meets with various leaders of various ethnic communities all the time. You’d have to ask him regarding his take on the Aga Khan’s motives.

    So no, this isn’t about popular conservative blogs attempting to stifle yours or Geller’s voices. This is about unchecked speculation threatening to discredit everything you and Pam have worked for. More’s the pity.

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  344. [...] it is the topic of so much discussion, I thought I would post the email in which the man behind Weasel Zippers asked me to stop linking [...]

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  345. uncivil & right

    August 3rd, 2012

    Personally, I am not at all comfortable with any US candidate who has cozy relations with islam. Esp those candidates and elected who don’t have a clue about its ideologies and seem rather proud of their ignorance. Perry at worst is another rop’er. If saying so is blasphemy at wz or elsewhere, so be it.

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  346. uncivil & right

    August 3rd, 2012

    ^^^ :oops:

    Meant to say “Perry at best”

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  347. BigFurHat

    August 3rd, 2012

     
  348. BigFurHat

    August 3rd, 2012

    What’s this on your website, Troy?
    http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?s=pamela+geller&submit=

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  349. BigFurHat

    August 3rd, 2012

    What’s this on your website, Troy?
    http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?s=robert+spencer&submit=

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  350. muddjuice

    August 3rd, 2012

    Oops. The veil is lifted there Troy….

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  351. Troy Riser

    August 3rd, 2012

    Oh, and yeah: just now very quickly perused Pam Geller’s Atlas Shrugs website while looking up the Perry stuff, saw this headline: “[New Jersey Republican Governor] Christie continues his abject submission to Islamic surpremacism in between cheeseburgers’.

    Jesus Christ, Spencer. You buy into that, too? Keep digging that hole.

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  352. Troy Riser

    August 3rd, 2012

    Uh, gee, guys, I guess you’ve found me out: I have, in fact, drawn a commercial illustration (Conte crayon on black ground) of people of various faiths praying in order to represent religious freedom. I was paid very well for it too, thanks. Always a good thing for an artist.

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  353. Troy Riser

    August 3rd, 2012

    bfh, aside from the one link to the commercial illustration section of my portfolio, you’re linking the Southern Poverty Law Center site, not mine. Haven’t done any illustration work for them–although I do admire Morris Dees’ work against the Bruder Schweigen terror group headed by Bob Matthews in the 80′s.

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  354. muddjuice

    August 3rd, 2012

    “various faiths”?

    Islam is not a faith or a religion. It’s an evil political system. It subjugates women, quashes freedom and kills infidels for not believing what they believe…..

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  355. BigFurHat

    August 3rd, 2012

    Troy Riser is actually emblematic of everything we are talking about on this thread. Thank you for your participation, it was very, eh hmmm, enlightening.

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  356. Stirrin the B.S.

    August 3rd, 2012

    @Fur – don’t forget this

    http://www.troyriser.com/comp_gen/miso.htm

    Do I smell a troll?

    Troy, you have yet to produce any concrete evidence as to how you made the leap from Geller’s criticism of perry’s approval of islamic propaganda disguised as history into the Texas curriculum, to Geller accusing him of being a quisling for islam.

    Most likely because it doesn’t exist outside of your head. So where is it?

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  357. BigFurHat

    August 3rd, 2012

    Keep wriggling Troy. THAT IS A PAID LINK ON YOUR WEBSITE!!!!!!!!!!

    Okay, shill, you’ve warn out your welcome.
    What’s your connection to Weasel Zippers, by the way?
    We have a right to know.

    Furthermore, when a politician dismissed the anti-jihad movement as “sharia crazies’ he is not anyone I want, who has put his hand up and taken an oath to uphold the constitution, in a position of policy-making.

    Troy, you’re the crazy, and your art looks like you drew it with your foot.

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  358. Troy Riser

    August 3rd, 2012

    You can’t troll me, guys. Seriously. I use my real name online and lead a transparent life. I’m a published, award-winning fiction writer. Paintings of mine hang (and occasionally sell) on gallery walls. I have two marvelous and (now young adult) children, one in college and one entering the Service to be an infantryman, as I was. You think you can character assassinate me? Go for it.

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  359. Troy Riser

    August 3rd, 2012

    And why, exactly, are my commercial illustrations for Midwest ISO somehow suspect? Just curious. You are aware MISO is a utility association, right? They run the power grid for the Midwestern United States and Canada. How in the world could you possibly draw any political connotations from that?

    Color me confused. If you’re going to attack my character, at least come up with something that, well, you know, attacks my character.

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  360. BigFurHat

    August 3rd, 2012

    I’ve seen your fiction writing, on this thread.

    ONE comment towards you and you’re busy throwing your resume up in the comments.

    You spent one second walking in Geller and Spencer’s shoes and you bit the pillow.

    We don’t need to character assassinate you, your character speaks for itself.
    Tell the SPLC we all said, hello, and keep drawing those depictions of interfaith propaganda.
    I’m happy they paid you, you really fucked them over.

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  361. muddjuice

    August 3rd, 2012

    Artist and writer. Yuck. What’s his nuts was an artist too, the guy that painted a picture of the virgin Mary surrounded by butts, sprinkling it with elephant feces.

    Art is stupid…..

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  362. muddjuice

    August 3rd, 2012

    Did Perry do that Fur? If he did, he’s dead to me. Those in the gov’t have no excuse for not knowing the dangers of shariah…..

    What, the “Sharia Crazies” remark? No, that was Krispy Kreme. – bfh

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  363. Troy Riser

    August 3rd, 2012

    Er, bfh? I told you: haven’t done work for the SPLC. I might, if I agreed with the topic/theme and liked the price. I strongly, fervently dislike Nazis and other Stormfront types, for example. If they wanted an illustration that would allow me to express that disgust and dislike, I’d probably take the job.

    And that ‘biting the pillow’ remark? Not one you’d make to my face, I’m sure, and certainly not one you would make if you knew anything at all about me.

    Please note you and your pals went immediately for the ad hominem attack. Ad hominem is a fallacious tactic, a failure of reasoning. My own argument can be summed up by the Christie headline posted by Pam Geller. That headline is precisely why she won’t be linked to more widely read conservative websites. It also explains why your cause will get so little shrift from politicians and other prominent political types actually capable of addressing your concerns.

    One last thing: Pam Geller is not going to sleep with any of you. Hate to dash your hopes like that, you lonely saps, but there it is.

    THE SPLC is ON YOUR SITE as a PAID AD. WTF are you talking about? -bfh

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  364. DanlBoone

    August 3rd, 2012

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  365. uncivil & right

    August 3rd, 2012

    “Anti muslim hate groups.” There are 1.5 billion of them in the world, they have forcibly converted all nations they dominate and tolerate no competition from indigenous faiths or peoples.

    Who are the real haters Troy? Maybe you should imitate the art of your “interfaith” creations and pray your grandkids have their freedom when they are your age. Willful ignorance is no excuse.

    btw, any art depicting your clients sawing infidel heads or stoning women who had the temerity to go to market without a male relative?

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  366. BigFurHat

    August 3rd, 2012

    Troy,
    I would not only tell you to your face that you are an asshole, I’d tell you in front of your kids. They have the right to now the truth.
    And your parting remark proved it.

    Chris Christie is not a conservative. Get up to speed.

    And politicians are not going to do what, not address Sharia because of Pamela Geller?

    I’ll add the word DUMB to my asshole remark.

    Give John Bolton a call and see if he’s ignoring the threat of Islam because of Geller.
    You know, the guy who WROTE THE FORWARD TO HER BOOK.
    Run along back to AoS’s now, the site that is oh, so important to saving the world.

    Maybe Ace and his morons can do some more ad hominem attacks that you so fervently detest, but will gleefully enjoy when they are about a person you ignorantly dislike.

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  367. DanlBoone

    August 3rd, 2012

    16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

    17 They zealously affect you, but not well; yea, they would exclude you, that ye might affect them.

    18 But it is good to be zealously affected always in a good thing,…[sic] Gal4

    for my part, there’s only one worthy purity campaign.. in my mind, the rest is evil–packaged well though..

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  368. DanlBoone

    August 3rd, 2012

    Maximilien Robespierre.. now there was a purist

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  369. DanlBoone

    August 3rd, 2012

    Rome sought for purity..

    I think she found none in the blood.

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  370. DanlBoone

    August 3rd, 2012

    Alferd Packer expedition compromised their purity..

    but the results are same either way

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  371. Stirrin the B.S.

    August 3rd, 2012

    @Troy – what brought you to this thread? I went back and re-read where you first entered it, which was deep into the thread, well after WZ supporters had weighed-in, and your second post included this comment:

    “….Geller’s and Spencer’s jump-the-shark moment for many of us came when they accused Governor Rick Perry of being a quisling somehow in collusion with radical Islamicists….”

    You threw that out there with absolutely no evidence (i.e., link) to back it up, and you’ve been repeating it with almost every subsequent post, in Goebbels-esque fashion.

    I’ve repeatedly asked you to provide your source and you choose to ignore me. Where’s your proof? What’s your agenda?

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  372. DanlBoone

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  373. Troy Riser

    August 3rd, 2012

    bfh, you wrote, “I would not only tell you to your face that you are an asshole, I’d tell you in front of your kids. They have the right to now the truth.
    And your parting remark proved it.”

    Well, okay, anonymous guy, that last remark I made was a cheap shot at your expense, but you had it coming. And yes, maybe you would say unkind things about me to my face, in front of my children. But hey, I use my real name. My address wouldn’t be hard to find, even for a n00b without skilz, as they say.

    As an aside, do you think maybe, possibly there’s a qualitative difference between anonymously role-playing a tough guy on the Internet and actually being a tough guy IRL? Ponder that one before you look me up. Meditate long and hard.

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  374. Stirrin the B.S.

    August 3rd, 2012

    @Troy,

    “….But hey, I use my real name. My address wouldn’t be hard to find, even for a n00b without skilz, as they say….”

    Yeah but do you run a blog that makes provacative parody, and facilitates critical commentary, against powerful people?

    It’s real easy to use your real name when you’re just bashing a blog. Try doing that when you’re voicing opposition/parody against the POTUS and other people in position of power. Then we’ll see how brave you are, tough guy.

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  375. Dianne

    August 3rd, 2012

    Spencer and Geller are thousands of miles from jumping the shark. Unlike feminism, “gay” rights, and tolerance for islamic mass murder.

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  376. I Luv Bacon

    August 3rd, 2012

    With all due respect, T roy,

    are you trolling from Canada by any chance?

    The rants seem oddly familiar, thats all.

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  377. DanlBoone

    August 3rd, 2012

    isn’t the height of corruption to say, I am pure?

    we can dance the innuendo,
    We can dance and we can sing–
    When it’s all said and done
    We haven’t told you a thing..

    franks a rot baby

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  378. DanlBoone

    August 3rd, 2012

    when you gaze into the audience,
    yeah baby–
    the audience gazes back into you..

    what’s it take to a smiley with shades around here?

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  379. Troy Riser

    August 3rd, 2012

    @Stirrin’

    Do you really, seriously think the President of the United States or any other people in ‘positions of power’ give a damn what appears in this blog? They know–and you should know–that 99% of everything appearing online at any given moment in time is useless (and largely harmless) crap.

    I came to this thread because I was genuinely curious, wondering if, in fact, Spencer and Geller are being unfairly treated by the conservative blogosphere. The answer is they aren’t, of course. The extravagant claims they’ve made about Perry and Christie (as well as others such as Grover Norquist) have made them persona non grata in most center-right and conservative circles, and rightfully so. Rather than walking back some of their more outlandish accusations, they’ve doubled down instead and are now using sympathetic proxies like the owner of this blog to claim conspiracies and other assorted skullduggery, all supposedly an attempt to stifle their message.

    It isn’t working, obviously. It can’t work. By employing these kinds of tactics, Geller and Spencer are rapidly relegating themselves to the fringe and there seems to be no stopping them.

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  380. Dianne

    August 3rd, 2012

    @Troy – they might not care what appears in THIS blog, but THIS blog is a part of a larger network that links other BLOGS that drown out the insanity that has become the network news.

    We are not diminished by your comments. You are diminished by being a fraud.

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  381. MaryfromMarin

    August 3rd, 2012

    Mr. Spencer–

    Zip called Pamela “an illiterate attention whore”?? Seriously??? Not calling you a liar here–I’m just floored, and want to be sure I completely understand.

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  382. DanlBoone

    August 3rd, 2012

    what does purity look like in Islam?

    Sharia? yeah, I think purity in Islam looks like sharia.

    2.) What does purity look like in Muslim males?

    Finals can be taken at any testing center on affiliated campuses during the week of Aug.4, and test results will be published to your email account on the college servers.

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  383. Stirrin the B.S.

    August 3rd, 2012

    @Troy – great,

    “….I came to this thread because I was genuinely curious, wondering if, in fact, Spencer and Geller are being unfairly treated by the conservative blogosphere….”

    And then you go on to say:

    “….The answer is they aren’t, of course. The extravagant claims they’ve made about Perry and Christie (as well as others such as Grover Norquist) have made them persona non grata in most center-right and conservative circles, and rightfully so….”

    Great, but you STILL have not presented any evidence to back up your claim. You are esposing youself to be a very articulate fraud.

    No facts, no truth.

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  384. DanlBoone

    August 3rd, 2012

    or was it, preach to the choir
    and–
    the choir preaches back to you

    no..the Choir in Sophocles’ Antigone., big Hossofhat

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  385. DanlBoone

    August 3rd, 2012

    whenever some one rubs that old saw,
    What doesn’t kill me, makes me stronger

    I’m like yeah, wasn’t Nietzsche drooling and muttering mad and dead at a relatively early age?

    yeah.. I think so.

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  386. Dianne

    August 3rd, 2012

    I never had any respect for Nietzsche. For all his supposed “study” he never figured out anything. He was a petty, envious man.

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  387. DanlBoone

    August 3rd, 2012

    ♫ I make my living
    Off the evening news♫

    Just give me something,♫
    Something I can use

    ♫People love it when you lose
    They love dirty laundry♫

    what? I thought someone said karaoke..

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  388. Xavier

    August 3rd, 2012

    Speaking of dirty laundry…

    https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Troyriser

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  389. DanlBoone

    August 3rd, 2012

    Diane posted:
    I never had any respect for Nietzsche. For all his supposed “study” he never figured out anything. He was a petty, envious man.

    __

    true.. of course in all fairness, he does continue poison people’s thinking here and there

    –doofey grin goes here–

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  390. muddjuice

    August 3rd, 2012

    @ Boone

    What the crap are you talking about? You’re either spam or as crazy as Holmes. Go see a doctor before you kill.

    @ Troy

    You remind me a lot of Lady in Red and Jim Hvlac and other liberal stooges that pop up here.

    My questions to you:

    1. Will you answer Stirring’s question?
    2. Do you speak for “conservative blogs”? If so, which ones have you been named as spokesperson? If not, who gave you the right to speak on their behalf? Do they no you’re speaking for them? If they don’t, how do you know what conservative web sites are thinking and why they are blocking her?
    3. You seem to speak with some sort of authority. Is it real or imagined?
    4. Why do you talk like you’re some sort of Golden Gloves winner? Why the tough guy talk? Why do you resort to “oh yeah, say it to my face” like a 6 year old kid?

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  391. DanlBoone

    August 3rd, 2012

    blow it out your ear muddjuice

    and, I mean that in only the most sincere way

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  392. Dianne

    August 3rd, 2012

    @DanlBoone – what’s your game? You’re posting nonsense. Is this a ploy to divert the original intention of the thread? I’m thinking it must be something like that.

    You might want to think twice about selling your soul to the devil.

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  393. DanlBoone

    August 3rd, 2012

    You’re offended by something I posted here?

    I should care, why?

    Who the fuck are you?

    You come on with disrespect.. how else is a man to address you?

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  394. Dianne

    August 3rd, 2012

    You can call me Your Majesty.

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  395. DanlBoone

    August 3rd, 2012

    @DanlBoone – what’s your game? You’re posting nonsense. Is this a ploy to divert the original intention of the thread? I’m thinking it must be something like that.

    You might want to think twice about selling your soul to the devil.

    __
    there’s no shame in my game. I’m exploiting the hypocrisy of this divisive, malignant purity campaign that naivettes, like yourself, are so quick to be indoctrinated by.

    The character assassination going on here is malignant, eg, whatshisface above associating me to the shooter

    I could climb up on the roof of my house and basically see where that shooting took place–imbecile.

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  396. muddjuice

    August 3rd, 2012

    Fur

    You might to add Boone to that short list. Trolling for sure. No sense to his posts. At least Lady in Red has a point, even if I disagree, at least she is saying something.

    @ Boone

    I am so hurt by your comments that I’m going to have to drown my sorrow at a Chick-Fil-A…….

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  397. DanlBoone

    August 3rd, 2012

    Sorry–I guess I didn’t address this.
    This is to you muddjiuce..

    sorry for any confusion..

    and again, I’m only sincere

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  398. Dianne

    August 3rd, 2012

    Wow – you’re quite the crazy little terrier.

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  399. muddjuice

    August 3rd, 2012

    @ Boone

    Wow. You are so intelligent that you had to explain your point to us lowly people. That’s how smart you are…..

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  400. DanlBoone

    August 3rd, 2012

    dang it, it’s this that was to muddjuice above:

    You’re offended by something I posted here?

    I should care, why?

    Who the fuck are you?

    You come on with disrespect.. how else is a man to address you?

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  401. MaryfromMarin

    August 3rd, 2012

    @Danl–

    “It’s neither here nor there, but most often, whenever I have read Robert or Pamela, or about either of them and their [our] struggles, I was moved to lift them up before the Throne of Grace in my heart. Nothing so noble sounding as might be errantly perceived–more like flat out warfare

    but not with flesh and blood–with corruption in high places.”

    The veil can be lifted sometimes, right?

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  402. DanlBoone

    August 3rd, 2012

    hey, no sweat, no tears muddjuice..

    but somehow, I still don’t think you get it..

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  403. muddjuice

    August 3rd, 2012

    @ Dianne

    Certainly a troll. I think the best course of action from here on out is to ignore. When no one plays with him, he’ll take his ball, go home, and ask his mom what’s for dinner while he plays wizards in his basement in his underoos…..

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  404. DanlBoone

    August 3rd, 2012

    true, MaryfromMarin.

    true..

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  405. Dianne

    August 3rd, 2012

    We DO get it.

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  406. Dianne

    August 3rd, 2012

    @mudjuice – you are right, of course about ignoring. I just wanted to play a little. :)

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  407. BigFurHat

    August 3rd, 2012

    Troy, you finally stepped on your own dick.There isn’t a conservative blog on the internet worth its weight in shit that supports Grover Norquist.
    You are either an idiot, a Muslim, a progressive or have recently awakened from a coma. (Perhaps you beat your chest at the wrong person?)
    Even Weasel Zippers and Ace of Spades will condemn Norquist.

    I suppose David Horowitz and Frank Gaffney are crazy batshit loons too?

    I actually love this thread. The longer it goes on the more people will see what’s what.

    http://frontpagemag.com/2011/kenneth-r-timmerman/grover-norquists-new-muslim-protege/

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  408. muddjuice

    August 3rd, 2012

    @ Dianne

    I hear ya. I almost resorted to Troy tactics and told him to say it to my face like a tough guy…..

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  409. DanlBoone

    August 3rd, 2012

    well muddjuice old buddy,
    you’re right about one thing..

    I probably won’t be posting here much longer–

    there are some incredibly bright people posting here; but what drew my interest was the WZ thing.

    these purity campaigns truly are divisive–you model that.

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  410. Dianne

    August 3rd, 2012

    I’m sure we’ll all be sorry to see you go.

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  411. DanlBoone

    August 3rd, 2012

    I wouldn’t mind shooting the breeze with you a little, muddjuice

    but let’s face it, ya sound kinda juvenile, there old buddy.

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  412. The Saw

    August 3rd, 2012

    Troy you sure run your mouth. I would say listen to your own advice. You are more annoying than a hemorrhoid. Go find another blog to blather and harass.

    “Look, some of you might feel you’re a soldier engaged in pitched battle against the forces of evil. In reality, you’re just someone crouched over a keyboard, typing and clicking a mouse, posting little data bits on a screen.
    Get a grip, a life, and a clue.”

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  413. Dianne

    August 3rd, 2012

    Yep – ol’ Danl sure does seem to be spending a lot of time hunched over his keyboard for nothing.

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  414. BigFurHat

    August 3rd, 2012

    Yeah, this stupid fucknut writes this -

    Look, some of you might feel you’re a soldier engaged in pitched battle against the forces of evil. In reality, you’re just someone crouched over a keyboard, typing and clicking a mouse, posting little data bits on a screen._

    while Spencer and Geller are in Stockholm at the front line of Islam versus the west.

    These assholes don’t even know who Spencer and Geller are. They get there info from Ace, Zip and Charles Johnson, the epitomes of people crouched over a keyboard, typing and clicking a mouse, posting little data bits on a screen.
    At least Ace writes. Johnson to some degree does too. But Zip? I wanna know how he decides to write the one word editorial versus the 3 word one.

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  415. DanlBoone

    August 3rd, 2012

    I’m sure we’ll all be sorry to see you go.

    __

    ;- )

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  416. Xavier

    August 3rd, 2012

    @The Saw et al

    Troy’s actually a famous innerwebs pedophile hunter*, with his very own cease and desist order and Encyclopedia Dramatica page. He’s probably cranking up a new crusade against Geller and Spencer since that pedo thing with Yahwah Clan didn’t work out so well.

    *this requires a lot of time crouched over a keyboard, typing and clicking a mouse, posting little data bits on a screen.

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  417. DanlBoone

    August 3rd, 2012

    Xavier, would you put some knowledge on me about that?

    thanks

    why am I sensing the willies?

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  418. Dianne

    August 3rd, 2012

    I thought you were leaving.

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  419. Xavier

    August 3rd, 2012

    Danl, I tried to post a link but either I screwed up or there’s a filter for questionable links, like ED.

    Just search on Troy Riser – he’s got quite a history.

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  420. DanlBoone

    August 3rd, 2012

    ok thanks then Xavier..

    D ane w uld t take up les f yor bdwth f i typ lk ths?

    I’m a gentleman, if nothing else..

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  421. DanlBoone

    August 3rd, 2012

    Diane, I think there was a phone call for you earlier..

    course, what would I know?

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  422. Dianne

    August 3rd, 2012

    From what I’ve seen so far, you don’t know much.

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  423. BigFurHat

    August 3rd, 2012

    Damn,
    I just looked at some video called the truth about Troy Riser and the guy is saying everything about him that he’s saying about Geller.
    It’s almost word for word.

    You think he’d be sympathetic to someone that gets called a loon and a whackjob who is reckless with half-truths, etc.

    Let’s not make this thread about Troy. Whether he was wrong on a few things or not, overall he was doing noble work.
    Now, if only he can say the same for Geller.

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  424. The Saw

    August 3rd, 2012

    Is DanlBoone the same one that posts at Zippers? If so, then why are you being such an ass here? Drunk? Go back to Zippers.

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  425. The Saw

    August 3rd, 2012

    @BFH I was thinking the same thing. I am not even sure WZ fits into the “blogger” category. They don’t write, they link posts from other sites w/very little commentary that I would hardly call writing. I would say they are a news collector vs a blogger.

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  426. DanlBoone

    August 3rd, 2012

    f– me to tears bfh,

    good on ya!

    sometimes, I feel like an old man that wore out his welcome these days..

    happens–I’m cool with that

    remember that old Led Zeppelin tune Whole Lotta Love

    don’t know what made me think of that..

    ;- )

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  427. Dianne

    August 3rd, 2012

    Yeah, but this song says it better.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqUa_G1h3pw
    .

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  428. Stirrin the B.S.

    August 3rd, 2012

    Troy is this you?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWfotcVY7-s

    And there’s more where this came from.

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  429. The Saw

    August 3rd, 2012

    WM’s answer was disappointing and spoke volumes. Pretty much says it all. What is the saying? “The cover up is worse than the scandal?” Had Zip immediately responded and told the truth it would be much easier to honor his reasons even if I didn’t agree w/him than for him to hide and ignore hoping it will go away. Numerous supporters of his have asked for him to explain and unless I missed it he has not responded. I find that insulting to his loyal followers. It is a shame because he had a really good crew of daily posters.

    I have no respect for back stabbers or those that betray their own kind for personal gain. Traitors. I loathe people that sell out. What an asshole. The feel at WZ just isn’t the same now. And I can’t stand the format.

    United we stand, divided we fall applies here. It is interesting how many here are missing the point. This isn’t about islam it is about the politics of blogging. Bloggers are like musicians they are a dime a dozen and if you can’t or won’t keep your fan base happy, or you become too greedy or get too political w/in your own circle you lose your audience. I see what is going on here as shitty and political. I would much prefer to find a new unknown blogger to support than to continue to support this kind of behavior. And here I thought Zipper was an upstanding great guy. I hate it when I am wrong.

    And thank you Robert for that enlightening report. As much as I enjoyed WZ, somehow I have no trouble believing you are telling the truth. Just as a side bar, I have found that IT people are like house painters, they show up, start the job, and then never finish. Painters can blame it on the fumes, what do computer geeks blame it on?

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  430. Xavier

    August 3rd, 2012

    @The Saw

    Well put. I’d like to add that we as Conservatives are almost wholly dependent on bloggers for non-MSM news. When the message is controlled or subdued – for whatever reason – we’re the ones who lose, particularly if it’s applied across the boards like we’re discussing here.

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  431. BigFurHat

    August 4th, 2012

    I’d rather have someone reach a bit and misfire once in a blue moon than have someone self-censor 100% of the time.
    Hoft comes to mind. He takes risks. I like that.

    I received some distressing news this evening from Harry Reid (kidding) from an “in the know” political mover and shaker.
    There is another large site that has apparently made the decision to go a bit more Huff Po as they move forward.
    I hope this isn’t true.

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  432. BigFurHat

    August 4th, 2012

    And speaking of that. I called out the editor of that site on Twitter when they ran a story about the Palestinian ads being run in the subways that talked about Israel as a terrorist nation.

    I said why post half the story? You never spoke at all about the counter ads being run by Geller.
    He responded and said that my point was valid and the criticism was warranted.
    And then he didn’t update the story.
    Hilarious.

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  433. Katechon

    August 4th, 2012

    “There is another large site that has apparently made the decision to go a bit more Huff Po as they move forward.”

    Politico.com ??

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  434. DanlBoone

    August 4th, 2012

    At least Ace writes. Johnson to some degree does too. But Zip? I wanna know how he decides to write the one word editorial versus the 3 word one.

    __
    I don’t think Zip can write–at least not on the fly.

    Ace can’t not write..

    and moot toward the pony-tailed stillborn writer

    but Zip abstracts well, and, he doesn’t condescend

    one of my dearest friends, God rest him–I would tell him to turn left, if I wanted him to turn right.

    Women, babies and dogs loved [loved] my bud.

    can’t fake it. And, readers also get tore new ones in this crap..

    for crying out loud–why ya’ll think I’m over making an ass of myself..

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  435. Katechon

    August 4th, 2012

    “Ace can’t not write..”

    You mean he’s writing compulsively…?

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  436. DanlBoone

    August 4th, 2012

    I think the compulsiveness only fully kicks on at about bac .2

    ;- )

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  437. BigFurHat

    August 4th, 2012

    Boone,
    That’s the rub. I don’t demand allegiance to iOTW. I don’t care if readers hang out at WZ. I’m going to link to him, still. I still link to AoS.
    I don’t hold petty grudges.

    I’m responding to what I think is bad policy by a right-wing blogger, not initiating it.
    They are the ones seeking to damage an asset to our right-wing cause by locking Atlas out.
    When that happens I’m going to call it out, even if it damages me in the long run.

    iOTW is expendable. So is WZ, so is AoS.

    Geller is not.
    Spencer is not.
    Malkin is not.

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  438. muddjuice

    August 4th, 2012

    @Xavier

    If those links about Troy are true…..WOW!

    @Troy

    Say it isn’t so? Is that you? Yikes!

    @ Boone

    You’ve posted numerous things here that make absolutely no sense and you say I’m juvenile. That’d be funny if it weren’t so pathetic…..

    You just seem sorta strange. And I subscribe to the theory that bad company corrupts good character, so, I can’t return the sentiment about shooting the breeze, even though you were being petty and juvenile when you said it…..

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  439. DanlBoone

    August 4th, 2012

    thanks for the solid word, bfi–
    helps..

    anyhow, cool joint ya got here..must have been a helluva party.. feel like I was hit by a Mac truck. Hope I didn’t tear the joint up too bad.

    I came in like an asshole; I’ll try and leave with a solid word:

    next time one of those aging ex-hippie rock memorabilia purists stars running all that crap about how Hendrix “supposedly” singing: excuse me while I kiss this guy was some nefarious conspiracy from either a far left [inclusiveness] or far-right [exclusiveness] ideology..

    you can tell them that you have it on unequivocal first-hand eye-witness testimony that when Hendrix and the Experience played [next to last public performance] at Regis Field-House, Denver–Feb 1968

    that Hendrix raised his hand and pointed to Noel Redding and sang, Kiss this guy..

    it’s at that musical juncture where Hendrix’ lead takes it from [kisses] Reddings commanding deep bass licks that back-boned the song..

    so you can just tell ‘em it’s the bass, stupid..

    ;- )

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  440. DanlBoone

    August 4th, 2012

    hey muddjuice, remember when I told you earlier to blow it out your ear?

    yeah, blow it out your ear.

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  441. DanlBoone

    August 4th, 2012

    hey muddjuice, I tell ya what, if you can find the wherewithal to simply address like another man–instead of your enemy–I would be very happy to explain any/all what I may have posted here.

    I know my heart in the matter–if your argument is articulated in an intellectual construct, I would of course hope to explore that to whatever extent fully captures yoyr argument–

    I’ll risk this though; we probably have very little disagreement

    that’s the part that may have escaped you

    and the thrust, locus, and power of my premise.

    so, you gotta ask yourself one thing,

    I’m kidding, dude: on this level..

    but if my references to Scripture, the French Revolution, .. and whatever else.. Nietzsche.. Sophocles.. and any other [I don't recall--not looking back for this post..

    anyhow, I think you get my drift

    I apologize for calling you an asshole, whether you deserved it or not

    that’s the best I got

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  442. Stirrin the B.S.

    August 4th, 2012

    @Muddjuice – DanlBoone clearly thinks on another plane. He’s been all over the board with his comments – from the bizarre to the sublime – but somehow, I think there’s a kindred spirit there.

    But man, I hope for his sake that he can communicate and function at a level that the rest of the world does.

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  443. MaryfromMarin

    August 4th, 2012

    @Stirrin–

    Ditto.

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  444. DanlBoone

    August 4th, 2012

    But man, I hope for his sake that he can communicate and function at a level that the rest of the world does.

    __
    I resemble that remark..

    :- )

    this stuff tore me a new one..

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  445. Stirrin the B.S.

    August 4th, 2012

    What’s your schtick Danl? Are your comments drug induced or free flowing from your un-altered brain? Because in most cases it takes an interpretor, no scratch that, a religious zealot, to understand your “speaking in tongues” comments. ;)

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  446. Xavier Cugat

    August 4th, 2012

    @Stirrin the B.S.

    I think you’ve hit the nail on head and I do appreciate that smiley you used. I know Danl a bit, and he doesn’t mean any harm – he’s part Billy Graham, part Ken Kesey, and a dash of Kwai Chang Caine, with HTML skilz.

    He does operate on a different level though, and I’m not certain of the source. If you’ll work with him I think you’ll find he’s an intelligent, interesting, and sometimes quite amusing character.

    It’s his habit to haunt old threads with his particular brand of glossolalia (that’s a joke, Danl) – and if you want late night conversation, you could do worse. Perhaps this wasn’t the best choice of threads for introductions, but he’s as Conservative as the rest of us.

    I’m butting out now. Talk amongst yerselves.

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  447. DanlBoone

    August 4th, 2012

    ok, Stirrin’, I apologize, I realize that am about 1/2 angular, stilted and wooden sometimes and sometimes stoned on weed..

    I don’t actually mean to be any of those things. An edit function would really [really] help.

    quite frankly, given the hostile environment for a Weasel Zipper here, I didn’t expect anyone really to pick up on my comments..

    I was talking to BFH. He was gracious, whereas I was not. I gained a great deal of respect for him. And, weird as I am.. I think that he and I tagged enough benchmarks on the perceptual landscape to communicate both the point of the thread and it’s polar parameters.

    he already anticipated it

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  448. DanlBoone

    August 4th, 2012

    glossolalia..

    I about freaked the first time I heard those kinds ticks. [Male nurse on brain injury unit]..

    young man admitted to the wing at night when it was very quite. He entered the unit from an end opposite of the nursing desk, so I didn’t see anyone come in.

    But, what announced him was a loud unconstrained stream of epithet that could singe your ears..

    yeah.. maybe I am pretty weird after all.

    Oh Well

    ;- )

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  449. MaryfromMarin

    August 4th, 2012

    Stick around, @Danl. Challenges are fun, and they keep the brain elastic.

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  450. DanlBoone

    August 4th, 2012

    I sure hope so Mary–

    those ol’ wheels want to grind some nowdays–

    ;- )

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  451. Stirrin the B.S.

    August 4th, 2012

    Join the Iotw family Danl, I think you will enjoy it, and maybe even feel welcome.

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  452. DanlBoone

    August 4th, 2012

    it isn’t a seething rage I have toward Islam..

    it’s quite still.. and much darker than that.

    from my bias, [fundamental Christian biblical worldview]

    I am fully convinced that, the only reason that Islam has power in today’s world to kick like a wild kicking ass against the nations–as it is biblically captured

    is because Abraham sought the Lord to bless Ishmael–Lord said

    hokey-doke; power and prosperity in the world [as described above] but…[sic] the Promise stays with Jacob [Israel]–who youse was suppose to wait for Abe old buddy!

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  453. DanlBoone

    August 4th, 2012

     
  454. DanlBoone

    August 4th, 2012

    yay, yay, yay Ya Mo Be There Baby!

    Hx Professor says, it’s ok Mr. Boone –the Professors all call me Mr. Boone–that you layed around some fancy digi-joint crying in your beer weed..

    and forgot that today was last till noon to final test out..

    oopsy daisy

    ;- )

    Ya Mo Be There
    Up and Over

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  455. DanlBoone

    August 4th, 2012

    B

    ;- )

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  456. muddjuice

    August 4th, 2012

    I’m willing to give Boone a chance. Not sure I like being told to F off or blow it out my ear or that I’m juvenile when the person posting doesn’t speak normal and the posting seem like gibberish.

    I’m willing to start fresh Boone. Can’t say that I’ll understand what you say and all I ask is a little grace from you when I go HUH?

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  457. Stirrin the B.S.

    August 4th, 2012

    @Danl – I’m tryin’, but you’re one weird son of a bitch, dude.

    Everything I see from you on this thread tells me that you live in a different universe. Xavier supports you, but beyond that, I just don’t know….

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  458. DanlBoone

    August 4th, 2012

    No sweat, no tears, muddjuice

    that’s what I always say

    that, and inwardly, I simply say, praise God

    that’s what always bring me back to sanity.

    evidently, some people think I’m weird..

    and, obviously–I am ;- )

    but when my heart condemns me–and it does

    He is greater, and knows all things

    brother

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  459. Bad Brad

    August 4th, 2012

    He’s a Peter Green fan. Let him in.

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  460. DanlBoone

    August 4th, 2012

    what is you want to talk about Stirrin’.. me?

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  461. Xavier Cugat

    August 4th, 2012

    I may have to issue a retraction. Again. You think I’d learn.

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  462. DanlBoone

    August 4th, 2012

    I was just hanging around to shoot the breeze

    don’t need to kick ass any more..

    I’m all in

    and I’m alright

    but some of youse guys seem to be still spoiling for a fight..

    I was just spinning the jukebox

    didn’t mean any harm..

    I dunno–sometimes I think mebbe–the other guy just might be a little weird too–

    what you think Stirrin’ ?

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  463. Bad Brad

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  464. Stirrin the B.S.

    August 4th, 2012

    I’m not spoiling for a fight, Danl. I’m just trying to figure you out. You have to admit, you’re a little bit eccentric.

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  465. DanlBoone

    August 4th, 2012

    Ya missed this one.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTvKaLW5bu8

    __

    good one!

    –big doofey grin here–

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  466. DanlBoone

    August 4th, 2012

    I’ll cop to whole nine yards, Stirrin’

    if you make any progress in figuring me out

    I could use all the help I could get

    ya think I’m kiddin ya?

    yeah, I probably am

    I usually have a smile and shades, to help that a bit

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  467. Stirrin the B.S.

    August 4th, 2012

    Have good night Danl. In fact, it’s been fun, but have a good life. I’m done with you.

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  468. DanlBoone

    August 4th, 2012

    Fleetwood Mac Denver, 2003
    cost me like $600 to take the breathtakingly graceful beauty, Ms. Boone..

    but it was a great show, and She Looked Wonderful..

    ;- )

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  469. Xavier

    August 4th, 2012

    I think the main lesson of this thread could be: When people disappoint you, you feel like a fool for having faith in them in the first place.

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  470. DanlBoone

    August 4th, 2012

    good for you Stirrin’

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  471. DanlBoone

    August 4th, 2012

    ok Xavier, would you be so kind as to explain in enough detail that I could understand you, what it is that you take issue with me?

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  472. Bad Brad

    August 4th, 2012

    I saw em a couple time, once at a day on the green and once at the Cow Palace. They had already gone A.M. at that point in time. Did you see that Hendrix concert you were talking about earlier? Hey Joe, one of my all time favorites. The guitar work in that tune, stellar.

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  473. DanlBoone

    August 4th, 2012

    that’s some cool stuff Brad–

    yeah I was just a kid, like 14-15

    the Experience played their last public performance the following year in Denver also

    Denver Pop Festival 1969-[8?]

    ;- )

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  474. Bad Brad

    August 4th, 2012

    Ever get into this guy. Saw him at the Montery Pop Festival. Gotta say one of the best I’ve seen in concert. This guy just stands there and plays his shit.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gQEDwjhaDE
    /

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  475. DanlBoone

    August 4th, 2012

    yeah Brad,
    this guy’s great. I wasn’t much familiar with him, but someone at WZ was linking him..

    a natural

    ;- )

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  476. DanlBoone

    August 4th, 2012

    Brad, have you heard this guy?
    Amos Lee__Cup of Sorrow

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  477. Bad Brad

    August 4th, 2012

    Duty calls Bro, I’m out for a while. My personal opinion, hope to see you as a regular poster, you will add to the debate, add to the dynamics.

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  478. DanlBoone

    August 4th, 2012

    nice talking with ya Brad. Thanks.

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  479. Bad Brad

    August 4th, 2012

    There’s some great people here jump in dude.

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  480. DanlBoone

    August 4th, 2012

    yeah I know it Brad, There are some very cool and very bright people here.

    I’m usually very comfortable in conservative conversations.. maybe I’m just crazy–

    but to me, since this particular story starting breaking, it’s almost like Something in the Air

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  481. DanlBoone

    August 4th, 2012

     
  482. Bad Brad

    August 4th, 2012

    I’m back, everyone’s crazy, Fur’s runs a cool thing.

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  483. DanlBoone

    August 4th, 2012

     
  484. Bad Brad

    August 5th, 2012

    Self explanatory. Look forward to seeing some shit from ya.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogkoskneNII
    /

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  485. DanlBoone

    August 5th, 2012

    crackin up over here–

    I saw Morrison & Doors at the Family Dog on w. Evans Denver–same time frame

    Being crazy is a b–ch-kitty..

    but it’s a gas

    ; – )

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  486. Bad Brad

    August 5th, 2012

    Never saw the Doors, would have killed to. Damn talk about talent.

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  487. Bad Brad

    August 5th, 2012

    but it’s a gas

    Saw the Stones. Got em as a ring tone.

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  488. DanlBoone

    August 5th, 2012

    Stones?!

    you aced it..

    I didn’t see the Stones..

    –jealous smiley guy here–

    ;- )

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  489. Bad Brad

    August 5th, 2012

    Best Stone Evah. Little Drambuie, and this tune, good for the night,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJDnJ0vXUgw
    /

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  490. Bad Brad

    August 5th, 2012

    Especially when sitting out side in Northern Cali with total monsoon conditions, heavy rain, lots of electricity. It’s bitchen..

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  491. DanlBoone

    August 5th, 2012

    good closer Brad, my honey’s home

    best from the Mile High city to you there near the Pacific..

    peace [of God] on ya bro–no joke

    ‘night

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  492. Bad Brad

    August 5th, 2012

    Good night Bro, see ya here later.

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  493. [...] Yesterday I guest-hosted on Gryph’s Gripes to discuss the excellent work being done by Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller on the jihad, and why they are both now unwelcome outcasts among some of the most high-profile conservative blogs. Yes, you read that correctly. [...]

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  494. Zilla

    August 5th, 2012

    I’m late to the party because I’ve been too ill to write, but I have read all of the comments here and I have been aware of all the “inside bloggerball” stuff for quite some time, so for there record, here is where I stand:
    I am with Pamela, Robert, and BigFurHat, I always have been and I always will be.
    I myself have blogged about both Rick Perry’s dhimmitude and Grover Norquist’s islamopushing treason in the past and I still stand by every word that I wrote.
    I happened to be in the comments section over at Weasel Zippers one night while the blogwar over Perry was escalating and I saw with my own eyes how Robert had been in that thread where Robert had used verifiable facts to prove his case and I watched as Zip progressively devolved from denial to flat out name calling as he smeared Pamela and then Robert while defending Rick Perry, who at the time WAS widely regarded by MANY in the dextrosphere as some sort of GOP Jesus. I also caught some flack (but not nearly as much as Pamela and Robert since I’m not nearly as widely read) from Perryists who behaved much like RonPaulbots and very much resembled the rabid Obamafans of 2008 in how they treated anyone who did not want to partake of the “Perry’s gonna save us all!” koolaid. Even without the whole Bushy “islam is a religion of peace” that Perry had spewed, and even without his troubling connections to Aga Khan, Muslim Brotherhood tool Grover Norquist, and the Texas school whitewash of jihad curriculum, the fanaticism and blind allegiance to Rick Perry seemed strange to me.
    Also, Chris Christie is an islamocoddling dhimmi jackass (or to use the word coined by Mr. Pinko, Christie is an ISLAMOBLOW) and I have blogged about THAT repeatedly as well, in addition to how he has helped known jihadi terrorists.
    Daniel Greenfield is another blogger who got a lot of grief both for exposing Chris Christie and especially for writing honestly about Rick Perry’s either ignorant or willfully dishonest insistence that ‘islam is a religion of peace’. The abuse that Daniel got in his comments sections of his posts was absolutely disgusting and the people who trolled him should have been ashamed of themselves.
    Also, there truly is a HUGE problem with what I call “Conservative” Dhimmitude, a whitewashing or flat out denial of the very real threat from genocidal islamic supremacists who have said IN THEIR OWN WORDS that they intend to destroy this country from within and make islam dominant over all of the people of the world, and those dhimmies ON THE RIGHT very often publicly attack honest people who are trying to warn everyone of the danger – and this problem really does exist int eh Dextrosphere as well as in political office, especially among the bigger high traffic blogs.
    I have written about this at great length repeatedly and documented it all with proof. I have quite a bit of posts on the subject, but here are the two that I’d most recommend to help bring people who do not wish to have their heads in the sand up to speed on the problem:

    http://marezilla.com/2011/02/conservative-dhimmitude/

    http://marezilla.com/2011/08/no-quarter/

    P.S. Just like BFH, I am also banned from commenting at AoS for some reason. Oh well, life goes on.

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  495. muddjuice

    August 5th, 2012

    Well said Zilla……

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  496. MaryfromMarin

    August 5th, 2012

    Thank you, Zilla. I especially appreciate your comments about Chris Christie. I entirely concur.

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  497. Troy Riser

    August 6th, 2012

    I remember the Cold War and I also remember when Ronald Reagan, as governor of California and even later, as POTUS, was accused of not being anti-communist enough. Of course, to members of the John Birch Society and other extremists, everyone was soft on communism. But there were others who were not zealots pointing fingers at unlikely suspects. Many of those people doing the pointing were genuinely fearful of the threat posed by communism in general and the Soviet Union in particular, largely well-meaning patriots who had become more or less captured by their fears.

    Same thing here. There were politicians and pundits then who traded on those fears, stoked them, exploited them for profit and self-aggrandizement. A whole cottage industry grew up on the premise of a communist or fellow traveler under every rock. Earlier in this thread, I used the McCarthy accusation against General Marshall as an example. Yes, there were indeed communists in the State Department, but by making wildly implausible, exaggerated claims, McCarthy managed to make the world a safer place for every communist agent, fellow traveler and front group in the country.

    News: neither Rick Perry nor Chris Christie are dhimmis. Neither was/is George W. Bush. Irritated, Christie denigrated those who claim he’s some kind of fellow traveler for the Islamic Jihad by calling them ‘Sharia nuts’. Given the vehemence of the attacks aimed his way, can’t say that I blame him.

    I won’t bother you guys any more, but I will say this: you and yours are claiming highly regarded and placed Republican political figures such as Perry, Christie, and Norquist are somehow facilitating Islamic extremism in this country. I’m telling you such claims are discrediting your cause in toto. Keep doing what you’re doing and no one with the authority or ability to act on your issue will give you a hearing. They’ll think (or already think) you’re a wild-eyed fringe group without a shred of credibility. That can’t be your plan.

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  498. muddjuice

    August 7th, 2012

    You’re credibility is shot here Troy. All you have proven is that you don’t recognize the very real threat of Islam. Good luck with that. Islam loves when the infidel buries his head in the sand, makes the exposed neck easier to find…..

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  499. Art Vandelay

    August 8th, 2012

    Who invited the yahweh klan?

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  500. bfh

    August 8th, 2012

    Fact:
    Rick Perry approved of an Islamic curriculum in Texas schools.
    It matters little that it was whitewashed. WTF is ANY Islamic curriculum doing in a public school?
    Do they teach about Israel?
    THIS in of itself shows that Rick Perry is an asshat.

    Fact:
    Grover Norquist, who is married to a Muslim, has been mentoring and pushing Muslim candidates who have dubious ties to the Muslim Brotherhood.

    Fact:
    Chris Christie appointed a Muslim to the state bench in New Jersey. Sohail Mohammed. Fat Ass said that Sohail was “instrumental” at forging good will between Muslims and the rest of the world Post 9/11.
    Really?
    EVERY ONE of the people that Sohail represented after 9/11 WAS DEPORTED!!!! Save one person.
    Fat Ass Christie blocked the deportation of Qatanani, a man who RAISED FUNDS FOR HAMAS!!!

    Troy, you, fool. You know nothing. You don’t know details. You talk in lunkheaded vaguery based on “your feelings.”
    Educate yourself and maybe you’ll get with the program.

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  501. Troy Riser

    August 8th, 2012

    As I understand it, Texas has a significant Muslim community and so does New Jersey. Seems to me both Perry and Christie were attempting outreach to those communities, probably thinking the less culturally and politically isolated those communities are then the less likely those communities would be prone to radicalization and more resistant to assimilation. You can agree with the logic or not, but state governors–like presidents–are supposed to govern all of their citizens regardless of faith. Being Muslim is not de facto evidence of terrorist intent.

    And Norquist? I don’t care if Grover Norquist is married to a Muslim. If the faith of his spouse was any of my business, it would bother me more if he was married to a Scientologist.

    My central point still stands: if you accuse influential Republicans of being quislings and fellow travelers in the global Jihad, then you come across as fringe paranoid extremists. No one in a position to help you will believe you or will come anywhere near you, guaranteed. If you don’t want to be considered paranoid extremists, you can start by not accusing everyone in sight of being part of an evil conspiracy.

    And the name-calling? Please. Anonymous invective holds no weight.

    That’s it, that’s all. Stay crazy. You’re all so cute when you’re crazy.

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  502. Xavier

    August 8th, 2012

    Troy sez: “Being Muslim is not de facto evidence of terrorist intent.”

    X sez: Islam’s self-professed highest goal is to dominate the world; terrorism is just one means of achieving that domination. RTFM.

    As for your “central point” – your argument is exactly the type of dhimmitude that’s allowing Islam to gain power within U.S. schools, government, and society at large. There’s plenty of documentation to validate what others have said about creeping sharia – IF you’re willing to open your eyes to the uncomfortable truth.

    Plus, calling people “paranoid extremists” and “crazy” while complaining about name-calling isn’t exactly a rational argument, Troy. It sounds like you’re getting your talking points from DWS.

    And… I’m not even going to close with one of those cute little parting shots you’re so fond of.

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  503. Xavier

    August 8th, 2012

    P.S. I thought this thread was dead but when BFH jumped in and kickstarted it, I couldn’t resist.

    It’s the Energizer Bunny of iOTW!

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  504. muddjuice

    August 8th, 2012

    @ Xavier

    I think you like it here at iOTW.

    I won’t say it. I won’t say it….

    Oh, who am I kidding – I TOLD YOU SO!!!!

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  505. Xavier

    August 8th, 2012

    @muddjuice

    Yup, it’s true. If I had any doubts they were dispelled when Robert Spencer showed up on this thread, and when Ann Barnhardt joined in the other night. Y’all have a good community here.

    I don’t think I’ll ever be able to live down being pissy with BFH though – just a bad day, going into the hospital soon. Gonna have to smuggle in a laptop and hope they have WiFi so I can keep up with you guys.

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  506. BigFurHat

    August 8th, 2012

    X-
    I blogged from the hospital earlier this year. Most hospitals have wifi.

    http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?s=nurse&paged=2

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  507. Zilla

    August 8th, 2012

    Good luck in the hospital, Xavier, I hope it is not for anything too serious! May whatever it is be healed quickly and without complications.
    And definitely check out BFH’s hospital blogging, especially the video.

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  508. BigFurHat

    August 8th, 2012

    Troy,

    You’re restating the problem with Perry and Christie, that they are pandering to Muslims with an Islamic agenda, as if restating it makes it a legitimate political strategy that Americans must accept.

    Ridiculous.

    Furthermore, it’s not simply that Norquist is married to a Muslim, you’ve seemed to have left out the part about Norquist grooming Muslim candidates THAT HAVE TIES TO THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD.
    You’re ill-informed and come here presenting yourself as the voice of “non-crazy.”

    As they say, “if you can keep your head while everyone around you is losing theirs, you obviously don’t understand the fucking situation.”

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  509. BigFurHat

    August 8th, 2012

    X,
    Barnhardt fan?
    You might enjoy this, too.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7mZFX-4tB4
    you certainly wouldn’t have seen it at WZ.

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  510. Xavier

    August 8th, 2012

    @Zilla

    Nah, just some minor stuff. I just hate hospitals and being cut on. Btw, I’ve been meaning to say hi; seen you posting around the same blogs I lurk on for some time now. We’re on a farm and grow hay so you can imagine what the deer and tick situation is like; we’re very careful. Best wishes for your recovery, too.

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  511. Xavier

    August 8th, 2012

    @BFH

    If I were still making my annual pilgrimage to Breckenridge I’d invite her out to dinner, right quick too. Enjoyed both the videos you posted.

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  512. Al muddjuice Sharpton

    August 8th, 2012

    @ Xavier

    “I don’t think I’ll ever be able to live down being pissy with BFH though – just a bad day…”

    You’re fine. Fur is good with disagreements. We have long memories but lots of grace here….

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  513. BigFurHat

    August 8th, 2012

    But your name is still Mudd. Just sayin’

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  514. MaryfromMarin

    August 8th, 2012

    Prayers with you, Xavier. And wholehearted agreement with what you are saying about Islam.

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  515. muddjuice

    August 8th, 2012

    @ Fur

    Yes. Yes it is. I get that a lot…..

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  516. DanlBoone

    August 9th, 2012

    heal fast, Xavier.
    __

    BFH posted:
    As they say, “if you can keep your head while everyone around you is losing theirs, you obviously don’t understand the fucking situation.”

    somehow, that seems to make a lot of sense to me.

    ; – )

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  517. DanlBoone

    August 9th, 2012

    thing is, I just think a hell of a lot of Zip-

    that’s all.

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  518. Xavier

    August 9th, 2012

    Thanks Danl.

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  519. DanlBoone

    August 9th, 2012

    +5 Xavier,

    sorry for my bullshit

    I usually only act that way on a holiday troll cruise on a lib site till I get teh hammah!

    ;- )

    only much worse..

    heh

    I denounce me just for good cause.

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