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Back in the 80′s, when I was a Christian Sidewalk Counselor in front of PP, about 1500 – 2000 abortions per year were committed at that location alone.

A group of law students found in _local_ court records a boatload of lawsuits against the “doctors” that committed the abortions at that location. People don’t have to file lawsuits in the county where they were maimed. There could be many more lawsuits against these same “doctors” in other states for maiming the plaintiffs at our local PP. But the law students were focused on local courts for this purpose.

I removed the names of the plaintiffs and the cause numbers from the summary, and photocopied the summaries of the lawsuits and the outcomes. I left about 20 of these and photocopied the papers. The sidewalk counselors used this information to educate PP abortion clients as they were going in to have their babies offed.

One of the lawsuits that I left on the list was the lawsuit of the daughter of a prominent judge. She had to have a hysterectomy due to the incompetence of the abortionist.

Most of the women were unphased by this info. Most of the men who brought the women didn’t care either. I have my thoughts. What does this say?

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I didn’t leave the judge’s daughter’s name on the sheet.

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I read the article – never have read or heard the topic expressed and disected so well. Excellent!

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Hell’s bells but these sanctimonious msgs annoy me! Abortions are routine, simple operations — at least before the good Christian community blew up offices, murdered doctors and screamed at and harassed women.

The whole point of this law is to make abortions illegal. Period. One stupid bureaucratic law and rule at a time. Drop by drop.

But. Go for it. If good Christians feel they have the right to impose their religious beliefs on all women, go for it. Make abortion illegal.

But, fair’s fair. Let’s let the Islamists murder their dishonoring women, force them to wear burkas and stone adulterers in public.

Maybe we could go whole hog and let the Islamists stone anyone who didn’t abide by the Koran? Make that the law of the land, imposed on all women, just like the damn “forced birthing” Christians?

I wish there would be a duh..? ….light bulb go off in someone’s brain one of these years. But, nah, it’s gonna be the “forced birthing” movement’s right to impose their will on all.

And you are incapable of thinking outside your box. You’ll set back women’s health a hundred years and women will die in alleys again. And, it’s just like the poor “adulterer” who, maybe, didn’t believe the Koran was all that literal. She died, in Afghanistan, this week. Cool, huh?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/9384963/22-year-old-accused-of-adultery-executed-in-Afghanistan.html

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That’s right, Toaster. Don’t try actually *thinking* for a change. Don’t try to actually parse the arguments.

What a sad person. ….Lady in Red

PS: Remember: if you don’t want to be “forced to birth,” or to die in a back alley having a coat hanger abortion…..

….or, if you don’t want to be stoned to death, just keep your knees locked. Isn’t that the mantra of this crowd? Keep your knees together?

Gad, but you people do not *think*!

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There’s so much reactionary idiocy in the comment from Lady in Red I don’t know where to start.

Did Lady in Red even read the article?

Somehow a measure to have board certified doctors working in these clinics is a religious matter?

Anyone want to bet Lady in Red has no idea who Margret Sanger or Kermit Gosnell are without looking up the names.

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Lady in Red seems to think women should have the choice to have what amounts to a legal “coat hanger” style abortion in a badly run abortuary, instead of having these butcher shops brought into compliance with safer regulations. All of her posts are knee-jerk, kill the baby at any cost screeds that somehow end up degenerating into her sexual proclivities.

Peed on anyone lately, LIR?

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Blah blah blah, Shariah Law, blah blah blah, forced birth, blah blah blah, no response to issues in article.

you forgot…
Reich wing
faux news, fixed news etc
1% vs 99% OWS slogans
Rethuglicans
Rednecks
NAZIs, etc

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You are so creative, Sablegsd! What thought! and, no you “good Christians” aren’t going after the third trimester abortions. You are going have *all* of them — and you and I know it. A drop of bureaucracy at a time.

Abortion is safe and simple. Always was. You live in a fantasy world of your own making. One in 10K abortions might be problematic, but that’s where you’ll focus, wringing your wicked little tears…. ….the one in 10K.

And, dearest, why are you not adopting up all those sad, unwanted children in foster homes, huh? Did you not hear of adoption for you?

How did so many of God’s little creatures end up (sometimes abused) in foster care when we have loving folk like you making the world’s decisions?
How many dozen munchkins are you supporting? And, what about the rest?

I’d certainly like to stop paying for all them with my tax dollars. …..not to mention the welfare queens. Just what we need in these tough financial times: more unwanted little brats birthed by welfare queens (who are probably too stupid to know about abortion, anyway, I suppose).

I don’t dispute your right to birth and birth and birth, ad nauseum. I just don’t like *your* rules forced on others. ….Lady in Red

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You have your slogan talking points and don’t need to think beyond that. Just mention Margaret Sanger’s name, roll your eyes, smile knowingly, and all of The Saved Good Christians don’t need any more. Don’t think. You know the rest.

Thinking is hard. And you people *are* dangerous — and crazy as loons. You have been brainwashed and don’t know it.

(But, I suppose that’s the definition of being brainwashed, belonging to a cult.)

…..Lady in Red

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Wait, that is what the liberals all want after all? A safe abortion?

Or are they perfectly content with Dr. Kermit Gosnell’s house of horrors that operated for years with contaminated, unsafe, unsanitary conditions with untrained personnel and caused the death of at least one woman and contributed to the passing of STD’s to countless others?

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Welfare queens?

Are you implying something about poor people?

It reminds me of Supreme Court Justice Ginsberg’s comment about how abortion helps lower the number of “people that we don’t want too many of”. could you specify what people you’re talking about?

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Still no response to why having board certified doctors in abortion clinics is a bad idea.

Have you ever known anyone who couldn’t have kids because they had an abortion when they were young?
I do, it’s not as uncommon as you may believe.

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@toaster, Lady in Red hates anyone with a moral objection to abortion. She also has a fascination with race-based eugenics. Racist much, LIR?

I suspect she has gone mad because of her own abortion choices (she shares A LOT of information when she’s been drinking). In other words, she has been given over to an unsound mind. Yet she claims we are the ones incapable of rational thought. LOL.

Have fun with her!

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BTW- does anyone think that the best and brightest in medical schools have an ambition to go into the abortion business?

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I shall mourn one of my grandchildren who was never born and castigate myself for not preventing his/her death the rest of my life.

But, I cannot imagine my daughter’s or many others’ nightmares of the millions of babes that were dismembered/destroyed by ‘medical professionals’.

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http://www.rachelsvineyard.org for healing after abortion

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Oh dear! Efficacy and Plain Jane hurt from how
abortions touched them and affected them emotionally.

And, I am sorry for the pain. But they — like everyone on this site, on this topic — suffer from a degree of mindless repetition of slogans and slurs.

And, projection. Big word projection. Projection is when you believe that everyone in the world feels like you do. And, they don’t. Really.

Don’t you suppose that at least some of the cult weirdos manning PETA gatherings (so similar to the ugly screaming and grusome posters waved in the faces of women seeking a safe and sane medical procedure) suffered a trauma eating a lamb?

So they want to make the world safe for lambs — because of their projections. Because they can no longer eat a lamb chop, they believe no one should ever be allowed to eat a lamb chop.

Isn’t that silly? All the people who will suffer emotionally over an abortion should not have one. And all the people who cry over lamb chops should not look at one. Different strokes for different folks.

Folk, the sane world is not like you. They think and reason, weigh alternatives. And you’re pretty witty and discerning on a lot of matters. Except the importance of keeping abortion safe and legal for all the women who *choose* to have one — who really are not like you. Drop the glazed eye, robot thinking. Stop being brainwashed by your silly slogans and jargon.

Projection is a mental disorder. ….Lady in Red

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@LIR — You’ve gone on long enough. You are well aware of the majority of thoughts coming from commenters on this site.

So I say to you, STFU.

And I will not respond to any viatribe with which you respond and I also ask all other commenters to refrain from engaging you.

As much as little babies are dead to you, you are now dead to me.

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That was a convincing argument, JCLady. Yes, I know how you feel. I wish you would *think*.

I just believe a couple of you might be convinced to *think*, move beyond the projection and understand that the world should not be your play toy.

Maybe not. ….Lady in Red

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“But they — like everyone on this site, on this topic — suffer from a degree of mindless repetition of slogans and slurs.”

Me thinks you project quite a bit LIR. You just described yourself.

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I see that LIR is back. You were coping with some life and death issues yourself LIR if I recall. Hopefully no one was shot with saline then had their limbs torn off in the process of dying.

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Ironic how pro-lifers, who would prefer to see babies BORN are dangerous in LIR’s mind….as dangerous as Islam’s stoning and murdering of people.
Pro-lifers are also against stoning and beheading people.
Could be why they are called pro-life.
Requiring that only board certified doctors perform abortions is smart.

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@LIR

You state: “Except the importance of keeping abortion safe and legal for all the women who *choose* to have one — who really are not like you.”

The point I made, was that abortions are not safe, even if legal.

The second point is that obviously some people think they are in such an extreme situation that they will risk their lives to terminate their child.

Plus, no projection involved. I am well aware that some people do not give a second thought to terminating their child, for 5, 10, 30 years or more before they desire to seek the healing love and forgiveness of God; before they seek the forgiveness from self, baby, others; before they seek the approval from self to mourn their child.

Once again I state: http://www.rachelsvineyard.org

Fantastic book: _Forbidden Grief_ by Dr. Theresa Burke (may be purchased from website or
http://www.amazon.com/Forbidden-Grief-Unspoken-Pain-Abortion/dp/0964895781/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1341803774&sr=1-1&keywords=Forbidden+Grief )

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LIR: Bitch, get over yourself.
It’s not a slogan or a slur, it’s a precious, innocent human life.
Some people find your breezy, know-it-all prosletyzing of death to be repugnant and ill-mannered; I know I do.
Go tell someone who gives a crap about your shitty little opinion.

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@LIR

I don’t know if you are aware, but often, first abortions are coerced abortions.

Some young women – girls actually are forced into the abortions by their mother, grandmothers, boyfriends, school counselors, employers, etc.

Too often, the young ones are victims of incest.

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oops, sorry, I hit reply too soon.

Incest is then covered up by the abortion via the person who is coercing the abortion.

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p.s. rachelssunshine2012@gmail.com

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Over the past couple of years, I have read many comments and rebuttals in LIR’s attempt to rationalize, justify and articulate her dementia.
The disturbed and tormented mind will always endeavor to rationalize their guilt, fear and shame.
As Annetisocial mention, and I agree, LIR is seeking the approval of just one person here.
There are many left wing progressive sites she could go to and obtain her approval, but she knows all to well that they share in her guilt, fear and shame and their approval means nothing, however, a single conservative, God believing, pro-life individual here who would sympathize, empathize or sanction what she has done, would vindicate her, (but she would continue to suffer guilt) and this deep desire of vindication is what drives her arguments.
Like many who suffer from internal reality detachment, her logic is rooted in fallacies, selective reason and red herrings; She is not looking for truth, but rather justification. Many here over the years have supplied her with enough sound arguments and rebuttals, only to fall on deaf ears.
Unless she falls at the feet of Christ, she will never have peace, and her anguish will be eternal after this life ends.
Jesus will not approve of what she has done, but He will forgive her and heal her, and this is what I believe she needs to free her of her tormented mind.

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@ Jack Daniels

Great post.

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I hate responding to her, but…

LIR wrote

“But, fair’s fair. Let’s let the Islamists murder their dishonoring women, force them to wear burkas and stone adulterers in public.”

So, your argument against people who are pro-life is that they must allow Isam to murder people. Uh…who’s the one who can’t “think” here?

We are against murder. The premediated, unjustified murder of another human. Regardless of the human’s age, mental condition, etc….

Point of fact, we could argue that YOU would actually support Islam honor killings because, without morality based on the Bible, who’s to say what’s right or wrong?

Or is your argument against all religions? Nope. Just Christianity. You have a resentment against Christians for some reason.

Well, I don’t wish you ill will and I pray that Jesus will heal whatever deep wounds are hurting you.

Unless you can clearly articulate a reason for what you believe, other than “it seems right to me”, I suggest you look deep into your soul, whatever’s left of it, and find out why you hate God. Then plead for His forgiveness…..

For everyone else, her condescending tone and posts are to be avoided….

Colossians 2:4
I tell you this so that no one may deceive you by fine-sounding arguments.

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