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ObamaCare UNCONSTITUTIONAL! update: WTF? ObamaCare ruled Constitutional as a TAX!
ObamaCare UNCONSTITUTIONAL! CONSTITUTIONAL
update: ObamaCare staying as a TAX?
Update: Mr. Pinko Commentary – The United States was born from a tax revolt. It might die from taxes! Took 236 years but the British are now laughing in their graves. How ironic.
Update comment: We’re on the super highway to single payer.
UPDATE: REPEAT AFTER ME “ObamaCare TAX” “ObamaCare TAX” “ObamaCare TAX”
Follow “ObamaCare” with “TAX” for now on!





BigFurHat
June 28th, 2012
Mr. Pinko’s DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN moment!
YOU’RE FIRED!!!!!
Fox News Lies! Mr. Pinko
Actually, you had it right before the update. SCOTUS ruled that you cannot mandate a purchase through the commerce clause. -bfh
Tim
June 28th, 2012
Supreme Court discovers the obvious!
Debbie
June 28th, 2012
I wanna see a photoshop of Pelousy getting pummeled with that giant gavel!!
Tim
June 28th, 2012
That’s how we got saddled with Socialist Security.
MAJ Mike
June 28th, 2012
Well, repeal the tax.
Richard 654
June 28th, 2012
No… headlines wrong. Obamacard UPHELD
Troy
June 28th, 2012
It now boils down to November…
God help us.
Richard 654
June 28th, 2012
SCOTUS blog: The bottom line: the entire ACA is upheld, with the exception that the federal government’s power to terminate states’ Medicaid funds is narrowly read.
Richard 654
June 28th, 2012
This is TERRIBLE.
Richard 654
June 28th, 2012
Justice Roberts switched sides.
Richard 654
June 28th, 2012
The money quote from the section on the mandate: Our precedent demonstrates that Congress had the power to impose the exaction in Section 5000A under the taxing power, and that Section 5000A need not be read to do more than impose a tax. This is sufficient to sustain it.
Fargin’ Bastages.
venturaguy
June 28th, 2012
Another Bush failure – thanks for nothing Roberts
asta risborn
June 28th, 2012
Supreme Cunt
Richard 654
June 28th, 2012
From the SCOTUS blog: The court reinforces that individuals can simply refuse to pay the tax and not comply with the mandate.
WTF?
MrsGilbertCracker
June 28th, 2012
Well, I guess we are all screwed now. I am SO disappointed.
Stirrin the B.S.
June 28th, 2012
Unbelievable! I had heard yesterday that Roberts was positioning himself to write the majority opinion (i.e. voting with the left), so that he could properly explain the rational to conservatives.
I don’t know if that is correct, but more details will come out to prove or disprove that theory.
Bullman
June 28th, 2012
Good morning America. Welcome to socialism.
Stranded in Sonoma
June 28th, 2012
@Tim — You are correct. When social security was first passed, the gov’t was telling the people that there were trust funds and that the taxes were earmarked before collection. The appeals court found that unconstitutional. When it got to SCOTUS, the gov’t changed its tune and said it was just a tax going into the general fund. SCOTUS ruled the tax constitutional.
This is more of the same. Nowhere in the law is the word tax used; everything is a penalty. But in front of SCOTUS, they argued it was a tax. And SCOTUS fell for it again.
Romney had better keep his word.
super toe
June 28th, 2012
I think it’s time for another shot to be heard
around the world. Don’t you?
chiefillinicake
June 28th, 2012
Proof again that the Justices should not only be elected, but term-limited.
Richard 654
June 28th, 2012
Even the folks at SCOTUS Blog are confused. They’ve only read the first 55 pages… more to come.
Richard 654
June 28th, 2012
Mandate upheld 5-4
Illustr8r
June 28th, 2012
I feel sick. Terrible.
Rush and Levin will be must listen today.
Ugh.
HooHooNayNay
June 28th, 2012
Honestly, for the past year I have seen people strolling into the hospital and trying to dictate their own care (with no medical background) in the mere anticipation of this passing. I cringe to see what it’s going to be like now. We bitterly laugh about how our hospital has turned into a weekend getaway for the Section 8 crowd. They come in with “symptoms of unknown origin”, sit through a battery of tests, order three meals a day and snacks in between from the kitchen, watch cable tv, and demand narcotic pain medication that has not been prescribed. They scream racism when we won’t pony up for such requests. And then when we do find something that needs to be addressed, they leave AMA because they don’t want us meddling in their lives. And then the state of IL refuses to pay us, so we are now $40 million in the hole.
And that’s just BEFORE this crap sandwich passed.
Noelegy
June 28th, 2012
@super toe:
http://www.schoolhouserock.tv/Shot.html
Cruisin' Cat
June 28th, 2012
The Costitution doesn’t seem to be working.
Time for the Declaration of Independence.
Toaster
June 28th, 2012
If Romney waits hours and hours to make a mushy/squishy statement about this, he’s going to take a serious credibility hit IMHO.
New Mexico Gunman
June 28th, 2012
Roberts was sold as conservative, but has shown he’s not. That black-robed bastard has RAPED the Constitution, RAPED the American people and DESTROYED our republic!
Welcome to Ameritopia, (dis)courtesy of the filthy Supreme Court, marxist legislators and der Fuehrer Buraq Hussein al-Obama (Sieg Heil)!
I swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution against ALL enemies foreign and domestic…well, it’s been proven that OUR OWN GOVERNMENT IS THE ENEMY! I’ll use my ballot to do my part to remove these filthy bastards, but should that fail, I’m equally prepared to take up arms against them and force them from power in restoration of our Constitution!
THIS MEANS WAR!!!
Richard 654
June 28th, 2012
I think I’m going out to “self medicate” at the local bar about now. Grab me a 3 martini lunche before Michelle and Bloomberg outlaws those as well. My blood pressure needs to come down.
Stranded in Sonoma
June 28th, 2012
@Richard 654 — This may actually make sense. Since SCOTUS has ruled it cannot be a penalty, that must mean the tax is voluntary. So you simply don’t have to pay the tax.
Why didn’t Roberts just stay away from the dark side and find the phookin’ thing unconstitutional?
chiefillinicake
June 28th, 2012
Sounds like they upheld it because they’re calling the individual mandate a tax rather than a fine. Like Social Security. You know…the OTHER bankrupt massive social program that’s about to crash completely?
Seems to me that the SCOTUS is trying to be popular…all things to all people. Which makes them nothing for everyone.
Dr. Tar
June 28th, 2012
I wonder how the 99% are going to like being taxed if they don’t have health insurance?
the aardvark
June 28th, 2012
F**k, F**k, F**kity F**k, what a bunch of assholes. I am pissed beyond belief. Every good reason to get rid of this damned lawless administration. Who died and made them God. Go to Hell Obama and the Supreme Court as well. My trust is in God not these jerks.
CrustyB
June 28th, 2012
I’m going to spit in the face of anyone who calls this fucking country “free” anymore, just as the SCOTUS today spit in the face of every man who ever died for freedom.
Mr.Pinko
June 28th, 2012
It was never presented to the court as a tax. How can the court rule on something that wasn’t presented?
hanoverfist
June 28th, 2012
And to think in 6 days we celebrate our “Independence”.
What a fucking joke.
Stranded in Sonoma
June 28th, 2012
@Dr. Tar — Right now they’re whooping it up, screaming like a bunch of little girls at a Bieber concert. The reality of the tax will hit later like a 3 year old coming down off of a cotton candy high.
HooHooNayNay
June 28th, 2012
Cruisin’ Cat for the win!!!!
chiefillinicake
June 28th, 2012
They just guaranFUCKINGteed that every person enjoying employer-sponsored benefits can kiss that plan GOODBYE.
That means YOU, my union friends.
Out universally admired health care system is now D.O.A.
Watch what ya wish for…because now you’re gonna get it.
Mr.Pinko
June 28th, 2012
REPEAL the tax!
Stranded in Sonoma
June 28th, 2012
@Mr.Pinko — See my comment above about Social Security. The Obamacare law doesn’t call it a tax but that was one of the arguments in front of SCOTUS. In other words, just like the FDR admin before him, Obama’s lawyers lied to the people and told SCOTUS what they wanted to hear.
Boobie the Rocket Dog
June 28th, 2012
Huh uh uhhh. RUSH predicted that Roberts would vote like he did. Think back folks.
Now it’s a NOVEMBER issue– congress, not White House.
January 2nd will bring the new Obamacare taxes ON TOP OF the unrenewed Bush tax cuts to help our paychecks drop even more.
What do we gewt in return? A mass retirement of MDs and a mass importation of Pakistani doctors to take their places.
Creeping sharia???
MUST HAVE an overriding majority in both houses or this country is finished.
New Mexico Gunman
June 28th, 2012
IMPEACH THE FIVE!
chiefillinicake
June 28th, 2012
This is a 100 year old war, friends, and we are LOSING.
The Utopians are our ENEMY!
If ya haven’t yet, WAKE THE FUCK UP…accommodation is becoming the DEATH of us!
BillyShaft
June 28th, 2012
Watch the markets crash:
Dow is off 143…144…145…146
Worst day ever
BillyShaft
June 28th, 2012
Dow is now off 158…160…
Pickled Liver
June 28th, 2012
All I can say is FUCK !
Welcome to Amerika ! Would the last to leave please bring the flag?
Boobie the Rocket Dog
June 28th, 2012
@ Stranded – You misread it. It says, “The court reinforces that individuals cant simply refuse to pay the tax and not comply with the mandate,” if you’re looking at DRUDGE.
UNCLE KINK
June 28th, 2012
sickening
HooHooNayNay
June 28th, 2012
Boobie- Drudge keeps changing it, has done so three times now, irritating as all get-out. Add a T, drop a T, contextually devastating.
Dr. Tar
June 28th, 2012
@Mr. Pinko the government litigates argued both ways. The SCOTUS tried to get them to commit to one or the other but they just kept talking in circles.
As per my earlier comment – All adults in America will have to have health insurance or get taxed by the government. WHETHER YOU HAVE A JOB OR NOT. This should give OWS pause.
Also the Medicare provision that got tossed I think means that States can now choose not to participate in the stupid Obamacare Act. Congress can’t punish them by collecting Medicare and then withholding payments back to them if they don’t comply.
Now the Democrats are the dog that caught the car. Only this may prove to be a Semi- and the Dems have it by the front bumper.
This ruling is going to prove to be a cudgel to beat the living crap out of the Socialist this November.
muddjuice
June 28th, 2012
Can you impeach someone who wasn’t elected?
Boobie the Rocket Dog
June 28th, 2012
We knew all along that it was a weak argument anyway.
REPEAL is the only solution and that means we must all work harder and give more to elect CONSERVATIVES to congress in November.
Don’t just talk the talk. WALK THE WALK!
Otherwise invest in precious metal: lead.
New Mexico Gunman
June 28th, 2012
Dingy Harry is exulting over this in the well of the Senate. If ever there was a socialist scumbag, it’s Harry…and if ever there was an excuse to term limit legislators and judges, it’s these bottom feeders.
Boobie the Rocket Dog
June 28th, 2012
@ HooHooNayNay — I wonder what he’s quoting, if anything.
muddjuice
June 28th, 2012
Considering how they voted on the Illegal alien Arizona thing, I’m shocked they went this way on Obamacare….
Toaster
June 28th, 2012
Soooooo, now I have to pay a Tax for Breathing ?
muddjuice
June 28th, 2012
I agree with Cruisin cat. Tie for the Declaration to be imposed on the scum who are not upholding the Constitution.
I also agree and have always said, term limits, TERM LIMITS, TERM LIMITS!!!!!!!
CrustyB
June 28th, 2012
@Boobie Repeal, my ass. The Republicans are backing the commie who laughed with Ted Kennedy while signing RomneyCare into law. We’re not going to repeal shit. The Communists won. America is now a Socialist slave state. Game over.
lamchops
June 28th, 2012
Tea party is about to get all fired up again. This ruling shouldn’t make them really pissed.
This is actually very good for Romney. He will have an emotionally charged issue that the majority of Americans agree with him on, and he will shove it down Obammy’s throat in November.
Meanwhile, Obama successfully stopped Voter I.D. and is lawyer-ing up in every swing state. All those wins in Congress in 2010 haven’t stopped Obamacare. We’re losing the war. Mr. Pinko
Edith McCrotch
June 28th, 2012
Yep, like I said before….
Obama’s the best thing that ever happened to this country.
After November and for years to come, we can always point to this time and say,
“Do you really want to Obamsize this country? Well do ya punk?”
Anybody remotely connected to Obama is doomed.(except in California, NYC, and other progressive strongholds)
Whiterok
June 28th, 2012
I think I’m going to puke. Time for a tea party resurgence.
Jerry Manderin
June 28th, 2012
Rush allows us only 20 minutes to be depressed.
MAJ Mike
June 28th, 2012
@Muddjuice: Can you impeach someone who wasn’t elected?
The answer is yes.
lamchops
June 28th, 2012
^^ This ruling *should* make them really pissed.
woody
June 28th, 2012
Still doesn’t make it a good idea.
60% of the country does NOT want this.
The Tea party will RISE UP!
Bye bye Obama.
muddjuice
June 28th, 2012
@ Edith
I hope you’re right. It just seems like there are too many that want freebies from the gov’t's endless free handout discount warehouse of goodies…
chiefillinicake
June 28th, 2012
I’m with Edith.
This is the classic Pyrrhic victory.
I have to agree with Edith. Because if I didn’t agree with Edith, I’d drive off a bridge.
muddjuice
June 28th, 2012
@ Mike
I’ll admit my ignorance. Who starts that process? Petition by the people? Senate? House? States?
ToreyDawn
June 28th, 2012
Smart Powerline commenter Steven Litvintchouk responding to those saying that the USA died today:
“The USA would have gone bye-bye if the mandate could have been sustained under the Commerce Clause (as liberals insisted).
Roberts said that the Commerce Clause can’t be expanded to force people into markets like that.
Everybody always understood that it’s constitutional for government health care plans to be paid via taxes–Medicare and Medicaid already depend on taxes.
Now we’ll see if the voters will accept an ObamaCare program paid for by direct taxation withheld at the source.”
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/06/the-bottom-line-for-the-supreme-court.php
Necrophidius
June 28th, 2012
Tax has been pinned to obama care. Might that help? That is one big ass tax hike.
Mike
June 28th, 2012
Now they can tax a pulse? Shameful.
JaneLovesJesus
June 28th, 2012
It’s not so much that Obamacare is Constitutional but that the US Constitution is over.
muddjuice
June 28th, 2012
Can the people refuse to pay a tax? The only other time they did it in this country it started an armed revolution….
Truthsayer
June 28th, 2012
So now that it is established that the mandate is a “TAX”, Obama has broken yet another promise; not to raise taxes on anyone who makes less than $ 250,000 a year!
Efficacy
June 28th, 2012
We lost a battle in which we could not actively participate in.
We now must win the war through active support and voting for patriots/constitutionalists in November.
Getting rid of Obama and his thug marxist cabal has been heightened in importance ten fold!
Weldor
June 28th, 2012
I will not comply.
muddjuice
June 28th, 2012
@ Truthsayer
But they don’t care, cause they’re getting free stuff from people who actually work….
AQT214
June 28th, 2012
Interesting tidbit: (WAPO)
“Neither the plaintiffs in the case nor the Obama administration had argued before the court that the individual mandate was a tax. Instead, the court asked a Washington lawyer to present the argument that lawsuits against the health-care law were premature under an obscure 19th-century law, the Anti-Injunction Act, which bars suits against a tax until the tax is actually paid.”
We’ve gone from “We have to pass the bill so you can find out what’s in it” to “We have to wait until the tax is paid before we can sue against it.”
Troy
June 28th, 2012
Can we at least get a win on the Eric Holder contempt of congress vote?
norman einstein
June 28th, 2012
I’ve been following this “translation” of the court’s opinion:
http://www.scotusblog.com/cover-it-live/
I can’t wait to listen to Rush, because I’m hoping he can see a “silver lining”. Maybe this will really rally the troops for November.
muddjuice
June 28th, 2012
Crazy question here. With all this, what if Obama wins in November?
LoveitorLeaveit
June 28th, 2012
Well, they finally did it. Welcome to the USSA. I’m just speechless! As @Boobie said: This is a November issue…Congress as well as President. If we fail at the ballot box….
Our Constitution has been trampled and bastardized beyond recognition. Can it be saved? Calling all doctors…oh, wait….
Damn. Just Damn.
Stirrin the B.S.
June 28th, 2012
@DocTar –
“…@Mr. Pinko the government litigates argued both ways. The SCOTUS tried to get them to commit to one or the other but they just kept talking in circles….”
I wasn’t aware that it was argued both ways. I only heard the Commerce Clause argument, which makes the ruling as a tax all the more hard to believe.
Personally, I think that there is more information yet to come out. There has to be – there’s too much speculating going on. Plus reports are changing each minute – first the tax can be ignored, next minute it can’t….
lamchops
June 28th, 2012
@muddjuice
Civil disobedience: If enough people disobey the mandate, and then refuse to pay the tax, and while sitting on juries refuse to convict those that do not pay the tax…
chiefillinicake
June 28th, 2012
Patrick Gaspard, head of the DNC, teeted upon hearing the news:
“It’s Constitutional, bitches!”
Classy in victory and defeat, those donks are.
hanoverfist
June 28th, 2012
See you all at the Government approved gym Saturday,bright and early.
It’s for your own good you know.
muddjuice
June 28th, 2012
@ lamchops
I see your point. But with all that’s happening, I just don’t see much in the way of redeeming this…
Boobie the Rocket Dog
June 28th, 2012
@ CrustyB – Game is NOT over and Romney is not the be-all, end-all. Now he MUST take a solid position on government-enforced healthcare or fall to Obumfuk. The election is NOT in the bag.
muddjuice
June 28th, 2012
civil disobedience will become revolution very quickly. We are seeing the eroding of all our rights at such an alarming rate.
And there are “Americans” who are rejoicing and happy about this.
I’m just astonished. President Washington, Ben Franklin, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, if you could see the Republic now….
Czar of Defenestration
June 28th, 2012
*Somebody* needs to make a bumper sticker to the effect
“Ready to pay more taxes for your neighbor’s health insurance!? DUMP OBAMA 2012!”
Toaster
June 28th, 2012
Beatles Taxman …
Let me tell you how it will be
There’s one for you, nineteen for me
‘Cause I’m the taxman, yeah, I’m the taxman
Should five per cent appear too small
Be thankful I don’t take it all
‘Cause I’m the taxman, yeah I’m the taxman
If you drive a car, I’ll tax the street,
If you try to sit, I’ll tax your seat.
If you get too cold I’ll tax the heat,
If you take a walk, I’ll tax your feet.
Don’t ask me what I want it for
If you don’t want to pay some more
‘Cause I’m the taxman, yeah, I’m the taxman
Now my advice for those who die
Declare the pennies on your eyes
‘Cause I’m the taxman, yeah, I’m the taxman
And you’re working for no one but me.
Boobie the Rocket Dog
June 28th, 2012
If I don’t pay the tax, what’re they gonna do?
Take my underwater house?
keepin r pithy
June 28th, 2012
FUCK PROGS
FUCK ROBERTS
muddjuice
June 28th, 2012
Lady: What do we have Sir?
Ben: A republic, ma’am, if you can keep it.
Lady: Obamacare was just ruled Constitutional.
Ben: Well, you kept it just shy of 236 years. Not a bad run….
muddjuice
June 28th, 2012
@ boobie
If we don’t pay the tax?
Isn’t it gonna be taken directly out of our paychecks? We won’t have much choice to pay it or not…
norman einstein
June 28th, 2012
Romney to speak at 11:45 eastern.
Should be interesting.
I mean, BETTER be interesting!
muddjuice
June 28th, 2012
@ lamchops
Enough people voted against homo marriage in CA and the gov’t still enforced it…
Jerry Manderin
June 28th, 2012
Roberts wrote, “Because the Constitution permits such a tax, it is not our role to forbid it, or to pass upon its wisdom or fairness.”
The ball is now in the Congress’s court. 2010 anyone? =]
And we all know what TEA stands for.
What Edith McCrotch said…THAT is a SPARTA cry for attack!
Stirrin the B.S.
June 28th, 2012
@Troy – “….Can we at least get a win on the Eric Holder contempt of congress vote?…..”
There are a lot of emboldened House demoncrats right now – including those who might have otherwise voted for the contempt citation – who might see the SS Oblowme ship as righting itself back up. In which case they won’t feel as compelled to jump ship.
I hope I’m wrong, but then again I sure didn’t see this ruling ObummerCare coming either.
Stirrin the B.S.
June 28th, 2012
The November rally cry has got to be a loud and resounding “Read my Lips: Obama just broke his promise and raised the taxes on those who earn less than $250,000!”
norman einstein
June 28th, 2012
“The ACA’s key provision now amounts to an INVITATION TO BUY insurance, rather than an order to do so, with a not-very-big tax penalty for going without.”
- Lyle Deniston from SCOTUSblog linked above.
WTF does THAT mean?
wsorrian
June 28th, 2012
If you think for one god damned second that Romney or this squishy congress will repeal Obamacare you’re an idiot. They won’t do it. Republicans have actually called for an individual mandate before and Romney imposed one in his own state as governor.
So what reason would they have to repeal this? There is none. You will still vote for them regardless because in your mind, “they’re better than the democrats,” or so you believe.
It will stand unless the people show that they will not allow it to go further. But that won’t happen. Why? Because the politicians have absolutely nothing to fear now. Do you think they fear protests and signs with slogans attached. Bullshit. Americans protest everything every damned day. Protests mean nothing. Most people see a protest and ignore it. Sometimes a protest makes it’s way into the news, but only if a riot ensues or the media wish to craft a narrative. Before politicians feared another revolution. It would mean the end of their lives. Now the very mention of revolution is taboo where it was once common, and people you once considered an ally recoil in horror at the suggestion and immediately castigate the offensive person. So apparently the spirit of the 2nd amendment is dead – merely it’s dried decaying husk remains.
It won’t be repealed. We’re stuck with it, because we’re weak now. Political correctness has defeated this country. Congratulations liberals. You won’t see the error of your ways, but your children will…
Cruisin' Cat
June 28th, 2012
Now that all three branches of government have proven Lord Actons warning, does anyone doubt that the planned end result will be absolute tyranny?
“Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely”
Troy
June 28th, 2012
I feel the same as I did on:
September 11, 2001.
The day they found OJ not guilty.
The night in November 2000 when they declared Al Gore had won Florida.
wsorrian
June 28th, 2012
Also, Roberts is a weasel. He will do nothing difficult. He has no standards. He will choose a side defined by nothing more than what is more politically expedient and safe. He has nothing to fear from voters and the only pressure on him comes from politicians.
MN Patriot
June 28th, 2012
Weldor beat me to it.
That’s the only way out of this mess.
SgtZim
June 28th, 2012
Well, scotus managed to pry $100 out of my wallet for the Romney campaign. I hope lots of others are doing the same. It would make me feel a little better if Mittens raised hmm… roughly 200 million working citizen/subjects x 60% said they oppose obamacare x 10 lousy bucks = 1.2 trillion. That would be a nice shot across zero’s face.
muddjuice
June 28th, 2012
The 16th Amendment allows the fed gov’t to tax income. It does not specify how or at what rate. I wasn’t around in 1909 when this was proposed. I’m assuming the people sorta trusted the gov’t then.
But, my goodness, what an open-ended power to give to the gov’t. What an idiotic thing to do. And where is the provision allowing states to tax you? Local cities?
Crazy taxes were what started this country in the first place. Will it be what ends it or what causes another civil war?
vinnie f
June 28th, 2012
why the hell NOT election taxes -
- subsidized, of course, for the unemployed, the minorities, and the fkucing illegals
why the hell NOT????
muddjuice
June 28th, 2012
@ SgtZim
IF Mittens is going to commit to repealing Obamacare and, even if he is, he can’t do it alone….
Dr. Tar
June 28th, 2012
@Stirrin the B.S.
Sorry I didn’t get back right away on this. I did some quick websurfing and found the SCOTUS arguments for March 26 – the first day for Obamacare.
http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/11-398-Monday.pdf
If you go to the begining of Verrilli arguments (pag 31) and type in tax in the search function you’ll see Verrilli dancing around trying to claim the Mandate is a penalty when the Justices are trying to get him to admiti its a tax.
Here are a couple of examples.
JUSTICE ALITO: General Verrilli, today you are arguing that the penalty is not a tax. Tomorrow you are going to be back and you will be arguing that the penalty is a tax… pg 31 – 32
pg 49 – 50
…JUSTICE KAGAN: The nature of the representation you made, that the only consequence is the penalty, suppose a person does not purchase insurance, a person who is obligated to do so under the statute, doesn’t do it, pays the penalty instead, and that person finds herself in a position where she is asked the question, have you ever violated any federal law, would that person have violated a federal law?
GENERAL VERRILLI: No. Our position is that person should give the answer “no.”
JUSTICE KAGAN: And that’s because –
GENERAL VERRILLI: That if they don’t pay the tax, they violated a federal law.
JUSTICE KAGAN: But as long as they pay the penalty – GENERAL VERRILLI: If they pay the tax, then they are in compliance with the law. J
USTICE BREYER: Why do you keep saying it’s a tax? GENERAL VERRILLI: If they pay the tax penalty, they’re in compliance with the law.
JUSTICE BREYER: Thank you.
GENERAL VERRILLI: Thank you, Justice Breyer.
JUSTICE BREYER: The penalty.
GENERAL VERRILLI: Right. That’s right.
So, looks like I missed heard the arguments. It looks like Verrilli couldn’t keep it straight – penalty? tax?
But if no one argued that the Mandate was a tax before the SCOTUS, then how the HELL did they rule today that it would stand under the government’s argument that it was a tax?
I can understand the liberial justices taking what ever track they need to get the outcome they want. But WTF is wrong with Roberts that that was allowed?
Toaster
June 28th, 2012
Many have noted this already, especially Ann Barnhardt with her idea of a tax revolt/boycott, but…. Now that this 0bamanation “tax” is “legal”, everyone will be financing the radical pro-abortion agenda within 0bamacare.
billy c
June 28th, 2012
ya think KELO was fucked the SC just fucked ALL of us
Callmelennie
June 28th, 2012
Conservatives were saying all the time that the individual mandate was in fact a tax, and that the Dems used this ploy so they wouldn’t have to tell the American people that Obamacare would raise their taxes.
Now, if the vote for repeal goes thru, Dems will be forced to say they lied about this, which should make people hate Obamacare even more. Unless, of course, they fall for the next piece of Democrat media bullshit, or our leaders go
soft, which is the most likely outcome
AbigailAdams
June 28th, 2012
Okay. Take a deep breath.
The only sensible thing to do is to get your butts off that sofa, stool, chair, or whereever the hell you’re commenting from, go to your local Tea Party website (or look it up from the Tea Party Patriots or TP website of choice) and sign up!
There are several comments here, (throat-clearing sound) from people who are referring to the TP as “them”, “they”. If you are Taxed Enough Already (and we ALL are), and you are not a card-carrying member of the TP, you are MIA. Today marks the official beginning of the heavy lifting. You can no longer sit on your butts and expect somebody else to do your share of the heavy lifting.
Listen up: If you’re fine with paying $695./year in 2016 and upwards of $1,000. thereafter because you couldn’t bring yourself to make a stand with the only group who has your back today; if you could’t make the time between making witty remarks on IOTW and feeling bold for engaging a progtard on a faceless blog to call your reps, go to a TP meeting or send $5. to a conservative freedom fighter, then you’re not serious about pushing this president, his admin and their ideology off a cliff.
We will not win in November unless YOU, not BFH or Boobie or MJA or someone else commenting here does YOUR job. (But of course BFH, Boobie and MJA needs to do their job, too). Bloggers have made a big difference, but it’s not going to be enough. Your physical presence at a TP meeting, at a rally, and doing the actual work of TP members is what it’s going to take. Washington did not have a virtual army at Valley Forge!
A lot of people are now saying, “Well, this will sure fire up the TP!” Guess what? Unless you secretly agree with today’s ruling and unless you erroneously think someone else is going to save your butts, YOU, WE, have been officially drafted to the only movement that now stands between the death spiral of Socialism and the real death of America, this president, this Senate and the worldwide forces who believe this world is better off without the greatest gift, outside of Jesus, that God gave the modern world.
For all who haven’t experienced the sobering honor of serving your country in uniform, now’s your chance. We’ve only got five months before the vote. Make no mistake — this is a war for the future of the United States of America. It’s not an abstraction or a war one could argue the merits of. It’s not a war being fought in some far-flung corner of the globe. It’s right here. It’s right now.
You know the drill:
“These are the times that try men’s souls: The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.”
Raise your right hand, get your butt off that chair! You’re in the Tea Party now!
Dr. Tar
June 28th, 2012
If you’ll excuse now. I’m going to site in my rifle.
muddjuice
June 28th, 2012
@ AbigailAdams
Well put!
MAJ Mike
June 28th, 2012
@ Muddjuice: @ Mike — I’ll admit my ignorance. Who starts that process? Petition by the people? Senate? House? States?
Without looking it up, the process is the same for impeachment of the President. House of Representatives brings the charges and the Senate acts as a jury. Only one SCOTUS Chief has been impeached, it was before the Lincoln Administration but I forget who. Might’ve been Salmon Chase, but its been a long time since I took Constitutional History.
House of Kell
June 28th, 2012
…But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, IT IS THEIR DUTY, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security….
BigFurHat
June 28th, 2012
The start??
I’d say the start is seeking out whether the entire bill is void because the House didn’t write the bill as a tax.
That’s the start.
SgtZim
June 28th, 2012
Eric Cantor said they will start the repeal process as soon as they start the next session.
http://www.majorityleader.gov/
@ Muddjuice I know Romney can’t do it alone – I’ll be supporting true conservatives for house and especially senate this year as well.
House of Kell
June 28th, 2012
@BFH: Actually, the ‘start’ would be going to DC and hanging all of them from whatever hieghts we can find…this is beyond bullshit and jumped straight into absolute dictatorial facist control of what’s supposed to be a democratic republic, by majority rule!
The majority decided, barry and his libs overruled us, held their discussions behind closed doors, denying participation to an entire 1/2 of our elected government, and then passed this abortion without the consent of the people or the other 1/2 of our government…how they found this clusterfuck Constitutional is far beyond me, I simply cannot think that far left, but its NOT over…we need to get busy as never before, outing ALL of the libs and their master, outing those conserves that supported this shit, and going times 100 with the congressional and senate elections of 2010 and sending ALL of the dems back to the sewers whence they came…’IF’ we can gain both houses AND the WH, we can overturn this, if we cannot, we are fucking done!!!
The ONLY way we’re going to win this now is to repeat the 2010 midterm X 535…elect nothing BUT tea party people who’ve been vetted and are tried and true conserves, then ‘do unto them as they’ve done unto us’, close the debate doors to any asshole who goes against us, and forcefeed them the leftovers of the shit they’ve fed us, everyone else gets evicted, anything less is a slap in the face of freedom and those of us who wish to live free!!!
I refuse to accept my children are going to beforced to be socialists and am thinking about mailing both of my Purple Hearts and Bronze Star back to these motherfuckers with a note that says,’YOU go fight for your own freedoms, assholes!!!’
FUCK am I PISSED!!!!
House of Kell
June 28th, 2012
Can I post the entire Declaration here?
I ask because I don’t wish to be banned for taking up space others might use to voice their opinions…but since I AM one of the good guys, I’d probably have to really step out, like declare myself a flaming lib and barry supporter to be banned here, LOL!!!
That’s among the many reasons I like and respect your site…you DO give space to opposing views until those views become either ignorant or insulting to our intelligence…
printboy
June 28th, 2012
Obama is following the plan of Cloward & Piven, two professors at Columbia University. They outlined a plan to socialize America by overwhelming the system with government spending and entitlement demands. Obamacare is a brilliant, Machiavellian game plan to turn the United States into a socialist/Marxist state with a permanent majority that desperately needs government for survival … and can be counted on to always vote for bigger government. Why not? They have no responsibility to pay for it.
Universal health care (Obamacare). The health care bill had very little to do with health care. It had everything to do with unionizing millions of hospital and health care workers, as well as adding 15,000 to 20,000 new IRS agents (who will join government employee unions). Obama doesn’t care that giving free health care to 30 million Americans will add trillions to the national debt. What he does care about is that it cements the dependence of those 30 million voters to Democrats and big government. Who but a socialist revolutionary would pass this reckless spending bill in the middle of a depression? Obama and his regime have created a vast and rapidly expanding constituency of voters dependent on big government; a vast privileged class of public employees who work for big government; and a government dedicated to destroying capitalism and installing themselves as socialist “rulers” by overwhelming the system.
Add it up and you’ve got the perfect Marxist scheme
muddjuice
June 28th, 2012
I hate to say it….but they way things are going, I see nothing in our future except revolution. A civil war of epic scale…….
Team America
June 28th, 2012
I’m sick to my stomach. I’m depressed. I agree – let’s revolt.
muddjuice
June 28th, 2012
It may take a while to get there, but it will get there if there isn’t some sort of reversal of all this crap.
I wonder where the miltary and the police will line up though? Will they support socialism and marxism or will they stand on the side of liberty and freedom?
Billy Fuster
June 28th, 2012
Quit being sheep. Non-compliance is the answer.
Noelegy
June 28th, 2012
May Obama’s claims that this is not a tax be the rotting albatross around his neck that brings him down in November.
even steven
June 28th, 2012
If Obama manages to get a second term, I’m going to quit my career of 25 years and become part of the underground economy. I’ll have no incentive to be a productive, tax-paying citizen and every incentive to be a criminal.
Jullou
June 28th, 2012
Concentrated power has always been the enemy of liberty.
-Ronald Reagan
HooHooNayNay
June 28th, 2012
Unionize all hospital and healthcare workers? This RN will go Galt and learn to flip the perfect cheeseburger at a roadside diner before that happens.
Callmelennie
June 28th, 2012
Cheerful thought or am I whistling past the graveyard
The last time I felt this low was March 21, 2010, when Obamacare was passed. Wasn’t the end of the world, was it? Or was it? I still can’t tell
What I’m certain of is that this is going to break one side or the other. They will push this to the breaking point
Mr.Gates
June 28th, 2012
Slightly aside, but relevant. When someone questions how we can vote for Romney when he passed Romneycare, and oppose Obama for passing Nazicare, the answer is actually very clear.
Romney was Governor of a commie-lib state. And the commie-libs all supported commie-care. He governed according to the will of the people.
And Obama? He governs like a turd world dictator.
Team America
June 28th, 2012
Is lying to congress and the Americans of this once great nation an impeachable offense? He’s lied over and over and over and…… Levenworth!
Mr.Gates
June 28th, 2012
Everyone from New York state needs to work on the campaign to unseat Gillibrand. We need that senate seat. Let’s focus on defeating that Schumer sock puppet and get out there and work for Wendy Long. THIS CAN HAPPEN. Look what happened in Anthony Wiener’s district. A 90 year democrat seat was taken.
AbigailAdams
June 28th, 2012
I just learned from FOX that Romney made passionate, unequivocal statements that obamacare will be repealed in 2013. They also said that Romney has rec’d $1MM in campaign donations since this morning. Reliable polls (you know polls, right?) still show that over 60% of Americans oppose obamacare.
Here’s another Payne quote that seems apt:
“Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph.”
Now go be an important voice — add your unique voice — to the TP. The TP is not a collective, but an aggregate of individuals like you and I. We need you to stand up!
Ty Coon
June 28th, 2012
So it was bad enough when two branches of government was after your wallet,now the judicial wants in on it. First Kelo now this.
Screwy Puppy
June 28th, 2012
It’s over.
http://0.gg/over
Tired American
June 28th, 2012
Just like the old adage of seeing something half empty instead of half full, many are viewing the Supreme Court’s decision on Obamacare as a purely negative outcome. Sure, I would have liked the court to rule constitutionally and in a responsible fashion. Sure, I would have preferred the court use the law to base their decision instead of failed socialist ideologies. It would have also been nice to see the court use their power for the good of the nation instead of heading it towards a path of bankruptcy and despair.
However, in the Supreme Court’s infinite wisdom they voted to uphold the Marxists principles which Obama holds so dearly. Though many despair because of this mindless decision, I see a positive side that far outweighs the negative which seem to hang so heavily over America’s future.
Why? The answer is simple and can be summed up in one word: Complacency. It might seem over simplistic but it actually makes sense when you think about. First, you have to ask yourselves what got General Secretary Obama elected? It was the opposite of complacency: Motivation.
What the Democrats did in the last presidential election was motivate their base to go out and vote in droves. They got them to the polls. Through rhetoric such as hope and change they made everyone out in American feel as if they alone could make a difference just by voting for Obama. They made it feel that a vote for Obama would change the country for the better; a vote for Obama would make your life better; a vote for Obama would turn America into a true utopia. Though Obama and his failed policies could do none of this, people felt as if he do all of this and more. They were thus motivated to go out and vote.
However, times have changed. Obama is in power and his greatest assault against American freedom and Capitalism, Obamacare, was upheld. Now I ask: where’s the motivation to Obama’s supports? They already have what they want. If, however, Obamacare was repealed, there would have been a battle cry sent out by Obama and his Himmler-esk cronies. They would have berated the Republicans, chastised the courts and made it a point that if Obama were voted out of power this November, things would go back to the way things were during former President Bush’s times. Obama would have sent the fear of God into people and made them think if Romney got into office, a Republican-driven Supreme Court would repeal civil rights, women’s suffrage and all welfare-type programs. They would have painted a picture of the future filled with despair, filled with greedy capitalistic clones of Romney economically squashing the other 99% of society.
Instead of chanting, “Remember the Maine, down with Spain”, they would be shouting, “Remember Obamacares, throw Romney down the stairs!” (Maybe not exactly, but I just wanted it to rhyme). It would have again provoked the masses to go and cast a vote towards economic insolvency- I mean for Obama.
Now you have to ask: who is motivated now? I can tell you. All the Republicans, members of the Tea party, the working class, people who actually pay taxes and everyone who owns any size business across the country. Now, we have the motivation. We have the battle cry. We have more a reason now to vote Obama out of office than before!
In fact, I’d like to thank the Supreme Court for their ruling. For at this moment the tide has turned against Obama and the path to his exit from the White House has become visible. Thank you for your nearsightedness. Thank you for your demagoguery. Thank you for total disregard to the Constitution. For it is through this act of total ignorance that we Americans will take back the White House and elect a real American into office!
Stirrin the B.S.
June 28th, 2012
Can’t say it any plainer than this:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/election-just-became-about-obamacare_647928.html
Don’t f*ck it up Romney!
Racist
June 28th, 2012
In the words of Jamie Pressley (from My Name is Earl),” Land of the Free, My ASS”!!!
Diann
June 28th, 2012
Saddle up, fellows. Get yourselves up to the church bell tower and signal. This rag-tag band of Patriots we, are going to kick some Democrat Ass come November.
SCOTUS just ensured Obama will lose in a landslide.
Justice Roberts, you silly goose. You just pocked a hornets nest.
Diann
June 28th, 2012
um. poked…
Alxandro
June 28th, 2012
Give me Liberty, or give me ObamaCare!
Tim
June 28th, 2012
Now, all three branches have declared war on us.
Time to start hanging some maggots.
Stirrin the B.S.
June 28th, 2012
Conspiracy theory time.
This is bigger than single payor health care. This is about the intentional bankrupting of the United States of America.
What next then?
joe smith, esq.
June 28th, 2012
What next then?
Anarchyif nature abhors a vacuum, those with the most money – that would desire to – could/would then pay vast sums to those willing to install (probably) a mitilary-enforced dictatorshippretty much what we got now… /s
99th Squad Leader
June 28th, 2012
“We the People” have got a fight on our hands. Even if Obaloney gets another term he will suffer a constant, intense push back from real conservatives.
Just like Pharaoh and Moses in the Holy Bible, Obama’s acts of defiance against, the American people and the constitution, will backfire. BTW, most of us know what happened to Pharaoh.
Roberts is a great play. Sure, Obaloney thinks he’s obtained a SCOTUS patsy , but he just solidified the Tea Party which will give Obama hell very soon.
Blacksmith8✡
June 29th, 2012
Mrs. Adams,
The TEA party will need a few leaders. Are you ready? History is calling.