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Link here: http://marezilla.com/

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ya. I have no idea wtf happened with that link but I fixed it.

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“Lucy! You got some splainin to do!”

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Happy Birthday Zilla!

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[...] post is linked at iOwnTheWorld. Thank you, Big Fur [...]

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Thank you, Big Fur Hat!

@reddecaesari Thank you, but my B-day is next month, and everyone will know about it because I hate my birthdays and usually start complaining about a week or so before hand while secretly hoping that it won’t be so bad ‘this time’, but they always suck. LOL

My sign is the Cancer crab, I’m a moonchild, moody as hell with a crunchy shell and soft squishy insides. Gets me into trouble, a LOT, but you know, a tiger can’t change it’s stripes and a crabby Zilla can’t harden her heart – I’ve tried, it just doesn’t work.

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As I said in the original post (http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=138168), anyone who has been online for any length of time — and has a heart — WILL be the victim of a scammer. Not a case of if, but when

And yes, it is VERY hard to trust ANYONE after having been scammed; it’s normal and it’s understandable. As hard as it is to do, be grateful for the lesson, and that yourself (and/or others) were not hurt worse. Yes we’re hurt by scam artists, but we’re still alive and we’re hopefully wiser

JMHO, worth what ya paid for it

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I was accused of being Paul Lemmen, then IC (who I wish had not blown up like he did) became accused of being Paul Lemmen. The last time the stuff blew up with Paul Lemmen Fur did not initially use his name and people started saying that I was him and making up my illness and that damage has never really gone away despite Fur’s valiant efforts. Other than inviting people to go to my doctor with me, I don’t know what else to do.
Now people say because there’s a Zillathon widget on 2 blogs (it’s actually on a bunch of them and it wasn’t even my idea) I’m some creation of criminal mastermind Paul Lemmen (who I am NOT defending and I won’t even try) with repeated assertions of ‘follow the money’ – but there’s really no money to follow, ever since People started trashing my reputation a few months ago it is very rare that my tip jar gets hit and what little I do have mostly pays for my medical shit. Bad enough that I have people impersonating me in blog comments (ever since that damned political moms contest thing and they do it to the Lonely Conservative too) and sending spam emails out allegedly from me, now I have people accusing me of not actually being me.

There’s not a fucking thing I can do to stop any of it and really I am so god damned sick of it. I honestly wish I had never even heard of some people.

Some of you people were my friends before all of this, or at least I thought you were. I suppose then I really AM stupid huh?

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@Zilla – I apologize, I did not mean to re-hash or re-open any hurtful comments. I’m not a blogger, just a reader, and there is much in the blogging community that I don’t know about. I shouldn’t have asked the question – it just caught me by surprise, that’s all. I hope that time, and effort by all involved, will help heal the wounds.

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Zilla,

After reading your bio, I see that one of my daughters is blessed/cursed with a heart as yours.

From now on I’m gonna let her know she’s an authentic ‘ZILLANAIRE’ – a title that she will learn is not one of monetary origin but of HONOR.

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My heart and my prayers go out to you Zilla. You deserve some relief and a big break.

I can’t say that I appreciated the comments about how bad Christians are and how they are not doing what Christ did. I’m not sure which commenter said it but he said he was an atheist which made him better than Christians. I love how the first thing they do is bash Christians as hypocritical, as if they aren’t the same. Christians aren’t perfect, they can be hypocrites. The difference is, they recognize their need for a Savior.

Again, this is not directed at you per se. You did not make the comments. Maybe this person needs to meet true, Bible believing Christians, not the cultural ones who are Christians in name only….

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If you go out of your way to make every one your blog-fans feel special,
YOU just might be the Queen of the inner circle elitist bloggers.

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GAAAHH!! This time of the year – I am so busy with work – I can barely skim IOTW – much less comment. Anything that takes too much time to read – I have to skip right now – again, because of lack of time – not because I’m not interested.

Any way – I stand with Zilla. I’m not a Lemmen fan – but I GET her idea of redemption and protection for those who need it.

Zilla – you stay tough!

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@Nunya – Zilla has been very gracious in her thanks to me for what little I could send to her. Perhaps the way some are giving don’t get flagged to her??

And – if she’s cranky at all – I’d tend to give her some (a HUGE LOT) of slack given her Lyme’s Disease issues/complications. I know I’m not myself when I don’t feel so good.

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The past few days have been very stressful and ugly for me and I am a mess at the moment both physically and otherwise, I apologize for any trouble I have caused. I also apologize if the following is incoherent in any way but there are some things that have come up which I’d like to attempt to address:

I love BFH and I know that he is my friend, I am grateful for all he’s done to try to help me, and there are many people who write at iOTW and hang out in the iOTW comments section who I completely adore.

I regret that an assumption was made (not by me but you all know who said it) that Ann was representing the NBC; I know that she is not associated with them at all and I’m pretty sure the NBC does not have much to do at all with most bloggers in the counter-jihad who take on islam because they are so “controversial”.

Ann Barhardt never did anything to deliberately harm me personally (and she probably never even heard of me until a few months ago), which should be obvious but because there is so much confusion going on people might get the that idea. I remain a fan of her bacon bookmarked koran burning and still greatly admire her courage and outspokenness in taking on the islamic supremacist crazies.

The National Bloggers Club has done nothing to deliberately harm me, in fact, I am pretty sure that they have likely have not even heard of me unless it is from some recent blog drama where my name has also come up.

I am just a nobody blogger who used to blog a lot more before I got sick, but I was never any kind of blogger with enough traffic or clout to ever be noticed in more widely read blogs except for by a handful of bigger bloggers who kindly reach out to bottom tier bloggers like myself and others.

My problems and the damage that has been done to me are a combination of a side effect from recent events involving other people and also the continued relentless harassment(both public and private), stalking, and identity theft that I have been a target of ever since that Circle of Moms “Political Moms” blogger contest, which caused some person or persons with to become obsessed with ruining me and a few other conservative bloggers who had done well in that contest.

I am sorry that people feel I should not have gotten upset to see my name trashed and that my feeble attempts to defend myself have only resulted in people hating me more.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart to the people who have remained kind to and supportive of me anyway, it truly does mean the world to me.

Again, I apologize for any trouble that I may have caused.

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@ Zilla

Sorry to hear about the people trying to ruin you. I don’t know much about that other than what you just cited.

I hope you can see how the posters here are trying to help, not cause you any more grief or heartache.

I have to agree with what Nunya said, only because I don’t know the backstory of what happened to you with the people trying to ruin you. Without that info, your post and the comments on the post came off as a slap in the face of the iOTWers trying to point out what a farce this guy was.

It’s kinda like when you hash it out with your best friend over something and there’s a big argument. Then later, when the heat dies down, you become better friends and your bond is stronger.

Remember though, “bad company corrupts good character.” Ann was just pointing out the bad company.

BFH says you’re one of the good guys. That’s good enough for me. I trust him….

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@ Zilla:

My dear friend, you know me, You know my temper. You know my way of handling things when it comes to the people I call friends. Yes I did blow up, and it caused you to get trashed in the midst. I’m truly sorry for that. But you know damn well that there is NO WAY IN HELL that I am gonna stand by and watch people call you a FOOL without engaging. I’m sorry, but you known me since 05 and it’s always been the way I do things.As you said yourself ”I have been indulging in your crazyness since ’05, why would I stop now?”. I’m not saying I’m right, but I know in my heart that it’s the way I will ALWAYS react to people offending my friends.Especially when these friends are as close as we are. Again, sorry I caused you grief, but your friendship is that important to me.

To the others (and you know who you are):

The few TROLLS that came at me and Zilla on my blog used tactics the left use;try to suppress my freedom of speech. Yes I did defend Paul. Yes I did defend Zilla. SO WHAT? You’d be so lucky to have a friend like me when your time of need comes. I’m not tooting my own horn, I just know that I defend FRIENDS to the death. It’s not like I defended KIMBERLIN for fuck’s sake. Your tactics are despicable, especially when used on people FROM YOUR SIDE. I AM a conservative, as right-wing as they get. I believe in justice and family. My friends ARE my family. I don’t have many, but people like Zilla mean the WORLD to me.

This shit is stupid: attacking ME and then my FRIENDS because I don’t agree with your stance on Paul Lemmen is whack. I AM ON YOUR SIDE for every other fucking thing, but I am MY OWN PERSON, and possess MY OWN MIND. I have CLEAR CUT views on life, politics, and I’ll be BURNING IN HELL before I follow the mob just because it will ”unite the fight”. Me and Zilla (Zilla has a lot more notoriety than I) fight the fight with ALL OUR HEARTS. To be excluded, and TROLLED for not being part of a lynch mob against Paul Lemmen shows that some of you are just sheep. Blindfolded, mindless sheep. Again, not everyone, but those who are know who they are. Some people reached out to me with respect on Barnhardt’s post comments, and I tried to return the respect.

I still STRONGLY BELIEVE that SOMEONE called Paul Lemmen to tell him to STFU on the Ali Akbar thing, thus my reaction to Ann’s post that came right after Paul posted on the STFU call. I don’t believe that Ann’s post came unrequested, since she says herself that she did the post at the request of friends. I don’t believe that it’s just a coincidence. I don’t. I have been targeted by too many online slandering campaigns to be fooled into believing in ”coincidences”.Just Google MaxPower1971 (my former handle), and or Cancers of the internet. Read for yourself.

Her (Barnhardt’s) post is full of CONJECTURES on the future intents of Paul. Conjectures that could get him arrested, or worse. As I said, I believe in JUSTICE, and JUSTICE means NOT ACCUSING SOMEONE WITHOUT EVIDENCE. She has evidence of his past. Fine. I know of his past. Yes I was weary of him at first. But his honesty in openly revealing his past made me look at him under another light, since I am an ex-con myself, and I know the struggles of getting back on the right path. I have been struggling for 15 years to stay on the right path. Think it wouldn’t be easier for me to just get back in the drug business instead of having to bid, hire and work 15 hour days? But for her to attribute intentions to Paul as to what he will do (pretend to be SWAT-ted, etc etc) is crossing the line between reporting and pure fiction.

Who am I to be the target of fellow right wingers? I get on a good day 200 views at my blog. I’m not what you can call a prolific blogger. My style is crude and vulgar to some. I speak the language of the streets, and it’s not gonna change. ”But what about your online reputation??” I DON’T CARE. My principles don’t include upholding a reputation. And I don’t blindly believe whoever has a reputation. The only thing that prevents me from disclosing my real name is the fact that I have Government contracts, and that the LIBERAL government in place would NOT give my company ANY work if they saw my right wing views.

On the elitist blogger thingy:

I guess I touched something there, seeing the reactions to it. My point is that the bigger bloggers want to be center of attention in the Kimberlin’s SWAT-ting of conservatives. It’s very clear. Especially when some took Paul’s posts and used them without even acknowledging him. Ali Akbar claimed he represents 300 bloggers. WHO ARE THEY?? Where’s that list of members?
Us small-time bloggers want our place at the table. We also want to benefit from the ”good” the NBC is supposed to do. But NOOOOOOOOO, only hand-picked, 5 star bloggers are even remotely recognized by the NBC. We are important too. We have a voice too. And if we are willing to join in the fight,a very ugly fight that most people won’t join, shouldn’t we be allowed? Is our side so closed-minded that only people with 5000 hits a day can join the fight? The more voices we have, the better, NO?? This is the ”elitist” attitude I talk about. The small bloggers that we are give a clear definition of ”We, The People”. We are ordinary, but our voices need to be heard. Zilla’s voice needs to be heard, Paul’s voice needs to be heard. Mine too. Us ex-cons (me and Paul) are the BEST ONES to con libtards into giving us info. We can play the game very well, better than most of you. We are EXPERIENCED with these tactics. I have an account where I post as a liberal, and it’s beginning to be invited in the inner circles or the extreme left. I’m sure Paul does too. This will bring a MUCH NEEDED ANGLE to fight Kimberlin and his goon squads.

Being an elitist is not that bad a thing, but when such elitism is used to suppress the voices of good fighters and soldiers, then it’s REAL BAD.

To the commenter I think it was Jack Daniel’s:

Oui je suis Quebecois pure laine. As tu un probleme avec ca?? Je suis un patriote de la premiere heure. Je me bats pour ma patrie a TOUS LES JOURS. Peut tu en dire autant??

(Yes I am a Quebecois ”pure laine” Got a problem with it? I am a patriot, I fight for my country EVERY DAY. Can you say as much?).

Anyhoo….y’all have a great day, and keep up the fight, including EVERYONE who wants to join in it.

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@ IC

Only one thing. You are mad at people “attacking” you for having a different opinion yet you attack people (with threats and vulgarity) for having a opinion different than yours….

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Muddjuice:

The only threat I made was to Sard, for calling my friend a fool. Vulgarity is the way I am. Sorry if that offends people, but that’s the way I am.

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No. Your said:

“This shit is stupid: attacking ME and then my FRIENDS because I don’t agree with your stance on Paul Lemmen is whack.”

That’s not directed at Sard, that’s at all of us. You then wrote a scathing little post on it. Not directed at Sard, directed at all, including Hat…

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Was talking about the trolls who came at me and Zilla on my blog. Should have made it clearer. English is not my first language. Apologies.

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And I don’t any threats in my post here.

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*see

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Okay. I hear ya. But you did call Ann several names in your post. An she is a friend to people here. That’s what got you mad at Sard in the first place, calling your friend a fool if she believed in Lemmen. Would it be right for someone to do the same to you then? You did more than call Ann a fool.

You called her some foul things and accused her of some “elitism” based on facts that you got wrong, such as her writing about Lemmen several times before….

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…and you called us “shit flies” for believing what she said. Which is funny, because she has proven to be honorable, honest and her reputation is beyond reproach. Unlike Lemmen.

If I found out tomorrow that Ann was a made up person and didn’t exist and it all was a lie. I wouldn’t be mad at the person who pointed it out, I’d be made at the person who made the Ann character up….

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But you see, she DID write about Lemmen on at least one other occasion, in an mass email she sent. So that’s at least twice. Maybe several was too big a word.

And yes, I did use some foul language in there….what can I say. I was blinded by my emotions that SOME of you accused me and Zilla of being Lemmen in disguise. To me, Barnhardt is not more credible than anybody, because she looses herself in conjectures towards the end of the post, instead of only reporting about what she KNOWS for a fact.

And to imply that the Zilla aid widget that we have on our blogs is a hidden way of funding a criminal mastermind, I’m sorry but that’s just damn wrong. That widget is on MANY blogs. I suppose we all are in cahoots to make Paul some money? Those accusations, those LIES from people claiming to hold the TRUTH, well they got me to become worked up and lash out. Those ”follow the money” comments were just plain wrong. She even asked Paul and me to take the widget off our blogs, but I won’t deprive her of the little pennies it might get her.

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Is she not trustworthy because of this one article she has written about your friend? Or have you read any of her other articles and found them to be “conjecture”.

The woman is a warior and a straight shooter. Her reputation is untarnished, and earned. Paul’s reputation is tarnished, and earned.

If I slap my wife across the face but then apologize, she can choose to forgive me if she wants. If I slap her often but apologize each time, can she be suspicious of whether or not I am truly sorry? Or should she just take my word for it because I’m honest about every time I’ve slapped her?

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@BFH –

Thank you for sharing this additional information. I know that it was intended to inform and enlighten IC, but in so doing, you affirmed some assumptions that I had made.

I am an outsider in all of this, but I’ve been following it very closely on yours and Paul’s blog. As a result I reached some conclusions based on circumstantial evidence, and inserted myself into the narrative probably more than I should of.

I’ve been experiencing “commenter’s remorse” over one particular comment that I made, but as it turns out, I might not have been too far off the mark. In hind sight it was wrong of me to jump the gun. I was fortunate this time, I’ll be more careful next time.

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I never implied that you and Zilla were working for him. I’m not sure who you’re referring to. Maybe someone said that in a post?

Regardless, you say you are referring to the trolls when you said people were attacking you. But you betray the truth because you said it was for “having a different opinion”. That does not seem to be in response to the trolls. That is in response to anyone who disagreed with you about Lemmen.

I’m starting to wonder about motives here. Are you concerned about Zilla, Lemmen or yourself?

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@ Stirrin

I feel the same way. I don’t know enough about this situation and everything that comes to light makes me more and more certain.

Fur has always been more than fair with everyone here. But my goodness, this is going from defending a friend to absurdity very quickly with how much evidence gets piled on…..

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Why no response from IC to BFH? At least concede that he may have a valid point……

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@ MuddJuice:
Sorry, but in order to be a productive member of my community, me needs to workie sometimes…sorry for the lateness of my reply.

BFH

Where to start. First, I guess, I will say here that no matter what anyone thinks,I consider myself like a good guy. A perfect guy? Never. I am flawed to the core. Only thing I can do about it is learn to live with my flaws and hope I won’t hurt anyone in the process. One of my flaws in that I don’t look for acceptance.When I meet someone, I am myself: True. Like it or not (generally speaking, not you as YOU) What I say and do reflect that. I get,call ‘em gut feelings about people, and yes, it has steered me wrong in the past. But it also steered me right many times, so I tend to go with them. Another Flaw: Don’t care about reputation. Not mine, not yours, not The Baldwins’.

Second, if the 3 you mentioned are the ones who really asked Barnhardt to write this post: Ok, fine. My bad. I apologize for assuming that this coincidence was not one. Really.

Also, I was not referring to you specifically (didn’t even cross my mind really) for not encouraging other smaller blogs. That was more aimed at the NBC and Ali’s non-existent ”member list”. Yes, a lot of small bloggers would benefit greatly of the traffic coming from the ”millions of readers” from the ”300 members” of the NBC. Zilla is one. It would help her out greatly.

But the same week Ann’s post comes out; Paul posts about Ali, gets a phone call, (Stranahan TOLD DaTechGuy himself that he DID call Lemmen http://datechguyblog.com/2012/06/19/and-now-by-request-i-jump-into-the-middle-of-it/ ) ,Paul gets attacked by Ali on Twitter, I get attacked on twitter by Ali,Paul’s material is used without acknowledgement on the blog of one of the NBC bloggers, and then Ann’s post. You gotta admit it’s been one hell of a week!! One (me) is legitimate in thinking that this can’t be a coincidence, right? If I am assuming wrong, then I’m sorry. But usually where there is smoke…..

The whole right planet thing was my mistake. I already apologized for missing that in Paul’s confessions. But on the other hand, I had Sard,Tonto and Aaron harass Zilla on MY blog, and accusing us in public (the very limited public of my blog mind you) of being Paul Lemmen. I heard it’s not the first time they did that. And even after you posted that my IP stemmed from Quebec, they still continued on. I know this has nothing to do with you, BFH, but after finding an article about Ali on the right planet, a very similar one to the one of BU, I think I can’t be blamed when I said that some bloggers want to be center piece in this.

I think you truly believe that Paul was after NBC’s funds. Maybe. But if he was, wouldn’t he try to suck up to him? I mean, come on, if you want to stick your hand in the cookie jar, you’re not gonna call grandma a slut are you? As Homer would say, ”You don’t win friends with salad”. I’m waiting on Zilla’s reply, she is sick so I’m not pushing it. But in the meantime….

But really, even tho I don’t have any reasons not to believe you, what you say is exactly that: it’s what you say. You SAY you have proof, but is everyone obliged to take everything you say at face value? Because you have a reputation? I’m not trying to insult you or attack your credibility, but as I said, I don’t care about someone’s reputation. Never have. Bad people with bad reputations are capable of doing good things, as well as upstanding citizens with clear records can go and kill their 2 kids.

I can see that you are worried that I am being conned as well. Thank you for that, it shows you’re a true gentleman. But as you saw, I can take the punches.

Now let’s get Kimberlin, and use all the tools at our disposition. Small or big.

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No. You shouldn’t trust me whatsoever. I told Sard not to trust me. I’ve spoken with Ladd, I told him not to trust me.
I ask for your trust because I know that what I post is the truth. It’s up to you to believe it or not.
I look forward to my “I told you so, moment.”
That’s all I get out of this.

Whatever I say I expect you to verify and then become satisfied it is the truth.
That is why I am blogging about Paul Lemmen. So people like you will eventually know the truth.

Ask Zilla what I told her about Paul’s post about the people taking photos of his house.

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And if you get that moment, I will send you a bottle to celebrate with.

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got a comment in the spam filter…fish it out please?

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@Impolite Canadian:

One thing you have very wrong is your accusation that Ann lied about her e-mail. It was indeed 3 lines and even Paul posted it in it entirety. I know, I got that e-mail. I went to the link Ann included at wiki and also did my own checking around because I don’t trust wiki. Plemmen is indeed a con-man, and a few weeks of self proclaimed “I’ve been saved” just doesn’t cut it for me.

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Go see Lisa Graas’s blog….see for yourself. LOTS of assumptions and outright lies in her post. Not saying Paul never did no wrong, but……

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I meant to write in Barnhardt’s post.

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I don’t get the “Bishop” angle? Yeh, so Paul claims to be a Bishop? Where is the lie?

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She was saying it was impossible for him to have been a bishop. What else was she so sure about??

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Paul is your friend…ask him if he was really an ordained bishop…

and ask him if he was a black or white bishop.

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IC

Your whole argument is flawed.

This is the bottom line. If he had committed a shoplifting 20 years ago and everyone was saying “don’t trust him” even though he had admitted to his one time crime, that would be one thing.

That is not the case. The man impersonated a General in the US military. He should be in federal prison or worse. He’s not. Fine.

Everything he says and does should be examined and scrutinized intently. Just based on that one fact. Throw out all the other stuff. The bishop thing, the poison to libs thing. Just the impersonating of a military general is enough for me to not trust anything he says or does at face value.

He EARNED THAT. His actions bought that reputation. He ADMITTED to that. To do what he did takes double shots of intelligence and insanity mixed with a sprinkling of brass cojones.

He may be reformed. I pray that he is. I hope that he is. I think God’s grace through Jesus is sufficient for all. Even him. Especially me. But, just because he’s reformed doesn’t wipe away the knowledge of what he did.

God can forgive and forget. People can only forgive. He wants forgiveness. Granted. But we cannot and should not forget.

It’s like a “reformed” child molester. If he seeks forgiveness it can be granted. Does that mean I have to trust him to watch my kids? No. That would be naïve. That would be foolish.

I admire your devotion and conviction. But your blind faith in someone that has admitted to impersonating a high ranking military official while in a foreign land is flawed.

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Poison to libs died in November or December 2011 or right? ex-cons view started January 10 2012…

miraculous recovery? NOT!

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“Road to Damascus” moment Menderman…

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What do you mean My whole argument is flawed?? On what basis? His PAST?? He can have a reputation, that doesn’t mean he’s not ‘,reformed”. He can also have a history. Doesn’t mean anything other than he did what he has done. It’s not some kind of crystal ball where you can see his future.

I think YOUR argument is flawed. Because you see, as per your example of the child molester, NOBODY IS PUTTING PAUL IN CHARGE OF ANYTHING. He IS seeking forgiveness! You don’t have to TRUST HIM with ANYTHING. Damn. What’s so hard to understand here?? He’s NOT in charge of money, he’s NOT in charge of collecting data on donors, hell, THERE IS NO DONORS!!! He is NOT accepting ANYTHING, other than prayers. You people are so intent on proving me wrong you supply the answers yourself!

Why do you think Lisa Graas posted that 1988 article where it says Paul Lemmen was in deed an ordained bishop? (Illicitly ordained, mind you, but STILL A BISHOP). For the whole world to trust him?? No. Not at all. She posted it to show that everyone who are ASSUMING things on Paul’s intents CAN BE WRONG too. Just like I said. Barnhardt was wrong.

I was sent that article by email, and to be sure it wasn’t edited I went and paid to get the archive myself after Lisa published it. Just to cover my ass. It is written BLACK ON WHITE in a 1988 article.

Now, who’s gonna be the first to say that Lisa Graas is Paul Lemmen??? Wait, maybe a conspiracy theory that would include Paul stealing a time machine from the government, going back in time and editing that article himself!! While he was there. he also provoked the Armenia earthquake that killed 60000 people. But wait. There’s more: It is popular belief that Paul also invented crack in 1988. He also injected Ben Johnson with steroids at the 88 Seoul Games.

Now that would sound like something Sard would say. Why am I ASSUMING that? Because he did it on me and Zilla and a number of EX TRP readers, so, hey, it’s what he’ll do in the future, right???

You see where I’m getting at?

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Ask Paul directly if he is or is not an ordained bishop and then get back with me.

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You missed my point entirely. I said nothing about the bishop thing. I even said to set that aside.

Are we not supposed to judge people’s actions? I only said that because of his past, everything needs to be viewed with a scrutinizing eye.

You don’t like that? It’s too harsh? I wasn’t the one who was the con-man. That’s part of the price you pay for past sins and misdeeds. That’s why momma warned you to stay out of trouble and keep your rep clean. To avoid the heartbreak of having people not trust you.

You are asking me to be reckless with my trust. Not gonna happen.

And make no mistake, he is in a position of influence. He may not be getting money, but he’s influencing people. As is Fur and Zilla and you and Sard and anyone else with a blog, big or little. You write about things to inform people. They NEED to be able to TRUST you AND the information.

Do you see any common sense in this or not?

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BTW, Pail claims his wife, Barbara, was gang raped and ate out of dumpsters when he was in prison for his lies (and trying to embezzle $1 billion dollors from the US taxpayer (you think he would be confessing if he got away with it?) because she was homeless. So, he gets out of prison, and almost immediately becomes a black doctor at the Right Planet, again scamming money by lying…he is not recovered…he is and always will be a con-man. If knowing the one closest to him was hurt like Barbara was is not enough to guide him to honesty, NOTHING WILL!!

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Didn’t I write in English?? I wrote you DON’T have to trust him.

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I don’t. But that’s only because people informed me of what he did. Otherwise I would have had no idea. Thank goodness people told me and didn’t rely on him to be honest about it.

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Yes I was illicitly and invalidly ordained a bishop. The three Bishops that consecrated me a Bishop (invalidly and illicitly) were: Bishop Eugenio Loreto of the Philippine Independent Catholic Church; Archbishop Roberto Toca of the Catholic Church of the Antiochean Rite and Bishop Marinus Peters of the American Catholic Church. Said consecration as a Bishop occurred on Sept. 4, 1987. Archbishop O’Keefe was in attendance but was not a consecrator. The consecration occurred at the Pro-Cathedral Church of Jesus of Nazareth (Philippine Independent Catholic Church), 14322 N Boulevard, Tampa.
Paul

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…and the fact that you see no logic or common sense in what I say tells me that this is a fool’s errand.

Matthew 7:6

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How come you can’t see the common sense in MY postings? All (your, mine) are valid arguments!

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Yeah…a bunch of guys got together and said “Hey Paul, Your a Bishop now..OK”

He IS NOT an ordained bishop! It is a YES or NO question. Adding “invalidly and illicitly” to it is Paul avoiding a direct answer!

Are you really that ignorant IC?

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I look at EVIDENCE. EVIDENCE is that paper article. What’s YOUR evidence?

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Because you ARE asking people to trust him. That’s the whole point, is it not?

And I also read the link. It doesn’t say he was ordained there, it says he already was a bishop.

An article could very well have been written about him being a general in the military before the lie was discovered too. Does that mean he was?

where is the proof that he was an ordained bishop, recognized by the appropriate higher ups? I’m not in the Catholic church so I’ll admit to my ignorance of their system. He could have very well been a bishop. Although it sounds like he has admitted to not being one….

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Pauls own words! Ask him again, a simple yes or no…drop the stupid “invalidly and illicitly” garbage! Paul, Yes or NO are you a PROPERLY ordained Biship?

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What does invalidly and illicitly mean anyway? Is he saying he conned them into ordaining him or they had no authority to ordain him?

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Okay. Doing a little more digging on the names he provided may shed some light on this. If I read it right, it sounds like these are not part of the recognized Catholic church. They are their own little sects that do not have authority from the recognized Catholic church. Which would be why Ann could find no record of him as a bishop in the Catholic church.

I may be wrong in this, as I am by no means an expert in the Catholic church. Maybe that’s what he means by “invalidly and illicitly”….

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@muddjuice and @Menderman–

That article (I read it) said that he was already a Bishop in the “Byzantine Orthodox Church”. I cannot find any Google listing for such a denomination. Granted, there are nearly innumerable splinter Catholic and Orthodox groups, but something showing the 1988 rolls of Bishops in this particular church would be useful for this discussion.

“Invalidly and illicitly” USUALLY means that the ordaining body has no officially recognized relationship to the main denomination. Following that logic, the “Byzantine Orthodox Church” (if it exists) is not recognized in the eyes of the main divisions of the world-wide Orthodox church. It is not part of the apostolic succession. THAT is important.

Therefore, being a Bishop in such an organization would only be recognized in that particular organization. There is no information on what is entailed in becoming a Bishop in that organization. It could be as simple as filling out a form and mailing it in. Who knows?

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Muddjuice…I annoint thee a Bishop in my Mendortohodox Church!

OK, now you are a Bishop!

see how that works?

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Thank you Mary….

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Thank you Menderman, Archbishop of Copterinrearviewmirrorville……I accept.

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I think I’m done playing with you guys. Seriously. You just don’t get what I write, my english must be REAL bad. I didn’t think it was that bad, cuz everybody ELSE in the dextrosphere understands me.

Where, WHERE did I ask you to TRUST HIM??? I have been repeating on and on and on that you DON’T need to trust him. All I’m saying, and this since the BEGINNING OF THIS MESS, is that he should NOT be silenced because of his past. What part are you having a problem with? I’ll try Google translate. Really.

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I don’t trust him. I don’t trust that he had his house photographed and is going to get SWATed…he can’t be trusted to report on any current issues because he has a life time history of being a liar…he has no credibility…if he “gets” SWATed, who should “trust” he didn’t do it to himself?

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@IC

You ARE asking us to trust him. You said he can write about things regardless of his past misdeeds. But as Menderman said, he cannot be trusted because of his history of lying.

Why does he write a blog? Is it to inform his family of his status? Is it to chronicle his life in a journal? Or is it to report on things so people are informed of what is going on?

If a reporter (say Dan Rather) ruined his credibility by lying about things, should I look at what he says with a skeptical eye from that point on?

And the whole bishop thing bothers me now. In my line of work, I deal with a lot of people who lie. The people who are good at lying always use bits of truth in what they lie about. Like saying they were a bishop. Then adding they were ordained. Then illicitly and invalidly. That way, they can say they told the truth when it is questioned.

Q: where do you live?
A: in a house.
Q: where is it?
A: on a street.
Q: yes, I figured that, but where is it?
A: in a city.
Q: arrrg. What’s the address?
A: oh. The address is the numbers on the house.
Q: why won’t you answer the question.
A: I am.

People lie to me like this all the time. Everything they said is true but they never really answered the question. Omission is lying. And I can arrest people for omitting facts. It’s called false info.

Paul is free to write about what he wants to. People who value honesty, integrity, trust, valor, truthfulness and ethics are free to question everything he says and tell others why they don’t trust him.

That’s all I’m saying. I think you are a smart man and you write well. You make some good points in your posts. And I like that you question anyone, regardless of status. That’s a good quality. If it is done with respect. I never resorted to calling you names or inferring that you were dumb. You have.

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Look Mudd, I just don’t understand at this point why you just can’t see that the MAJOR pain in my ass, is that some bloggers VETTED on this. Like, WHO ARE THEY? Who gave them the power to do such thing? That is really my biggest beef about this whole thing. That and the (Put any word here) from TRP TROLLING me and Zilla.

I DON’T believe ANYONE on earth has ANY KIND OF AUTHORITY on the web to vet others in or out of a story. Don’t link, don’t read, Fine. But if ANYONE wants to link you, well my friend the net is public domain as far as I am concerned, but with proper mentions. But for fellow conservatives to ”vet” on someone, NO WAY MAN. That’s the kind of free speech impairment we (you, me ,bfh, conservatives) fight against. That’s the kind of stuff KIMBERLIN and friends do.

But let’s say I’m fine with the vetting of others by some self-appointed committee. Why exactly did they ”vet” on Paul ANYWAY? Why, because he wants a position on the board of the said committee? No, he doesn’t. Because he is in charge of something? No, he’s not.

Vetting is a relatively new word in my vocabulary, but isn’t that like a screening-type action? Screen him for what? And more importantly, who are they to screen anyone that is not asking for more than to report on the story, and get involved in a cause that, really, doesn’t belong to anyone regarding copyright? From this point of view, it looks like the prison yard’s big guy is trying to pull for control of the range….

My last comment was not meant to insult you or imply you were an idiot. It was just a ”GOd what is it they don’t get?” kinda moment. Like when my kid was younger I’d tell him not to do something, 8 times, and then he turned around and did it right in my face. Sorry if you saw it offensive. Wasn’t the plan man.

I think you are intelligent too, and like me, you stick with your friends, against the ”new guy who told us off as being elitists”. I’m fine with that, it’s actually something I look for in people I call friends.

But, what can I say. I took a shine to Paul.

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Paul has the right to speak, he does not have the right to be heard. I choose not to listen anymore.

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Well, IC, I see why your site gets so little traffic. If you have to wait for an official committee to “vet” someone, you’ll be waiting a long time. When we find out about a viper in our midst, we spread the word so others aren’t taken in.

Getting out a liar before he’s exposed in the “big” blogs, where his behavior will rightly or wrongly reflect on the rest of us, helps keep the reputations of the rest us unblemished. You’re welcome!

Lemmen admits to EVERYTHING. How about him spending two frigging weeks without running yet another scam? That might go a long way toward proving his redemption, but he’s utterly incapable of doing it.

You be his friend, go right ahead. Congratulate your ever-so-redeemed self on your righteousness and tolerance and, oh yeah, let us not forget big-heartedness. Just stop getting so fucking bent out of shape when people who have actually been victimized by this man refuse to agree to do the same.

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@ IC

We will never agree on this it seems. You think no one, no matter what their past is, should be questioned. But then you question everyone, except the person with the most to be suspicious about.

I am not a child that is questioning your superior logic. I am not your disobedient kid that won’t understand your clearly better reasoning. Again, that is quite low of you to say.

The fact that you cannot understand why people question someone with a shady background is something I cannot fathom. But I won’t waste any more of your time trying to explain it.

I hope and pray for the best for you……

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