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John Podhoretz -headshot

“The private sector is doing fine” may prove to be the pivotal moment for the 2012 campaign because of what it demonstrates about the president’s ideas as he heads into the fight of his life.

“Where we’re seeing weaknesses in our economy have to do with state and local government. Oftentimes, cuts initiated by, you know, governors or mayors who are not getting the kind of help that they have in the past from the federal government,” he said. “And so, you know, if Republicans want to be helpful, if they really want to move forward and put people back to work, what they should be thinking about is how do we help state and local governments.”

The president seriously wants to go before the American people and argue in an election year that the wildly unpopular $860 billion stimulus of 2009 needs to be supplemented this year by more direct federal support of state and local government workers?

I’m trying very hard to think of a way this argument is not politically insane for Obama in his quest to win over independent voters who will make the difference in November.

I’m thinking. Give me a second.

Still thinking. And . . .

I got nothing.

And that may be what Barack Obama has got, too.

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  1. Cruisin' Cat

    June 9th, 2012

    THe votes are all in, and it’s confirmed!!!

    Zero doesn’t know his ass from an excavation!

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  2. Maudie N Mandeville

    June 9th, 2012

    Where we’re seeing weaknesses have to do with state and local government. Ya, Baby! Thanks, Wisconsin!

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  3. Name Redacted™

    June 9th, 2012

    I’m pretty sure Obama just sits in the Oval Office and smokes pot most of the time, then straightens up just long enough to do a press conference, a speech, or a golf outing. Then it’s back to the doobage.

    What else can explain his total lack of giving a crap?

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  4. mkultra

    June 9th, 2012

    If there was ever a question about Barry’s desire to bailout California and Illinois, this clumsy off-script moment should have cleared it up.

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  5. Michael

    June 9th, 2012

    Yeah, hey, we have knowledge here. For instance, we have an elderly grandma in Waukesha who did not know that she would be looking at a property tax increase because the legislature gave a tax exemption to certain corporations and agricultural interests. And she has lived a conservative life.

    But the POD, having a large and competent staff, understands that the trickle down economics at work in WI and other states will require tax increases (hard to win from those who hold less and less of the means of production yearly) in order to run the water and sewer plants, to extend and keep in repair roads and bridges, to maintain quality schools and transportation systems. All at the county and municipal levels.

    But, you know, we can blame it back upward to the President. No wonder the tea party has no platform.

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  6. Kevin R.

    June 9th, 2012

    I’m trying very hard to think of a way this argument is not politically insane for Obama in his quest to win over independent voters who will make the difference in November.

    I’m beginning to think that Obama isn’t corrupt so much as he is irrational and mentally incompetent.

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  7. Michael

    June 9th, 2012

    Perhaps there is the issue of the money. Conservatives used to pride themselves on their ability to follow the money. But now, evidently not. For example, what is the benefit for the average Wisconsite in the domestic production tax credit?

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  8. mkultra

    June 9th, 2012

    Why can’t we get trolls whose first language is English?!

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  9. Mary Jane Anklestraps

    June 9th, 2012

    “Michael” is a troll-hole that comes around to comment like a liberal,calls people racist, and then a bit later he comes back making racist statements himself. He’s mentally ill.

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  10. Michael

    June 9th, 2012

    mary jane, are you a bot? Your post here is less applicable than it was on another forum? What’s up, kiddo? mkultura, are you asking for other words from mary jane as well?

    Remember that the subject is whether conservatives can follow the money as used to be the case.

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  11. Mary Jane Anklestraps

    June 9th, 2012

    I’m just playing your game, sweetie. Remember my name so you can call me a racist later, mmkay?

    “Michael” is a troll-hole that comes around to comment like a liberal,calls people racist, and then a bit later he comes back making racist statements himself. He’s mentally ill.

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  12. cfm990

    June 9th, 2012

    “what is the benefit for the average Wisconsite in the domestic production tax credit?”
    IDK. Maybe the fact that, the more money business can keep, the more they can reinvest. leading to job production, and increased revenues to the state.
    On the other hand. What is the benefit to the average Wisconsinite. To pay higher taxes to fund bloated government payrolls, pensions, and other benefits? Money spent on a sector of the population that produces absolutely nothing.

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  13. Michael

    June 9th, 2012

    mary jane, forgive for missing the evidence for the bulk of your post. Can you reference the forum if different from this one?

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  14. Billy Fuster

    June 9th, 2012

    And to think for the past three and a half years I mistook his stupidity for evil.

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  15. Michael

    June 9th, 2012

    cfm, really, now, consider this: an agricultural company of a certain kind has a market for that product. The legislation produced a tax exemption on income earned by that corporation. The State of WI will have a deficit in the next cycle because the standard rule of “geneally accepted accounting practices” was not used in creating the current budget. Every county and municipality will have a deficit because State funding is reduced in order to cover the cost of that exemption. There is no increase in the market for the product so the citizen benefit is nil.

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  16. Name Redacted™

    June 9th, 2012

    I think what Michael is saying is that it was about darn time his elderly grandma in Waukesha started paying her fair share in taxes. At least that’s what I’m getting by trying to follow his logic.

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  17. BigFurHat

    June 9th, 2012

    Michael,

    You’re trying your best to spin away the fact that what Wisconsin was was a take away from public sectors who think it was an abomination to have their “collective bargaining” stripped away (That’s PUBLIC SECTOR COLLECTIVE BARGAINING, NOT PRIVATE).
    Wisnonsinites, as well as all taxpayers across this nation, are fed up with this little system -

    Governments create a network of job redundancy to reward unions who’ve skimmed from the workers (workers paid in tax dollars) and use that money to elect politicians that will keep that cycle going. The workers get sweetheart deals, the unions skim money, and leftists keep getting elected.

    Why should a union worker be forced to contribute to left-wing campaigns when they might not be left-wing?

    You can go off on a tangent all you want about “voters not voting in their self-interest” (which actually means, c’mon, vote yourself money at the detriment of society, LIKE ME) and how “conservatives can’t follow the money.”

    This was the result of conservatives, as well as independents, and thoughtful and responsible democrats being able to “FOLLOW THE MONEY!”

    Idiot.

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  18. cfm990

    June 9th, 2012

    An exemption, is not a cost.

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  19. Bad Brad

    June 9th, 2012

    It is if you’re a Liberal Politician. They think the Federal Government ultimately owns all the money and wealth in this country, some of us feel it’s ours because we earned it.

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  20. Michael

    June 9th, 2012

    cfm, you do not understand accounting if you do not know about hidden budgets (exemptions and preferments). It is possible to hide them in certain instances: the economy is growing; there is a military adventure afoot; certain regular pension payments are delayed; legislative borrowing from their own grandchildren, etc. But in parlous times such as these, there is no escaping the burden of the hidden budget. But you are certainly not wise if you do not know that the domestic production tax credit in WI will not produce any benefit for the ordinary tax payer. There is no gain in sales because the companies to benefit are at full production now.

    Uh, huh. See my report later on Mayor Bing of Detroit declaring bankruptcy this Friday unless the rest of Michigan can bail them out. It’s because of the hidden budget.”
    You’re a moron. -bfh

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  21. Michael

    June 9th, 2012

    bb, if you pay the least attention you must know that the 1percent own 63 percent of the means of production but do not operate any of those means. Perhaps you can investigate to see just what the Federal government owns and how that is used. A national park, a fort, an aircraft carrier, a national forest, the seat of government, court houses, etc.

    Perhaps you know that the 1 percent pay 29% of their income for federal, state and local taxes. And you pay 28% of yours. Of course, 10 percent of yours goes to SS while only 2 percent of theirs does. By the way, does wealth multiply faster if one has 700000 remaining after taxes or 250000?

    Oy vei. You’re all over the map. Stick to one subject, assmonkey, so that you’re assertions can be challenged as you make them. If you do not stick to one subject you will be banned. Simple. It is my contention that any left-wing argument can be destroyed as long as they do not employ the foppish techniques of moving goal posts, changing the subject, running in circles, etc. Stick to the notion of public sector unions funding left-wing politicians so they can get into office and then turn around and award sweetheart contracts which then turns into more and more public sector revenue confiscated from the private sector in order to feed this beast. If you don’t do this you will be banned. Simple. -bfh

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  22. Bad Brad

    June 9th, 2012

    There’s no such thing as full production in business Ass Bite. If the demand is there then you expand. But nobodies going to expand with the current moron at the helm. You should go get a job so you could try and apply all this theoretical bull shit your spewing.

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  23. Efficacy

    June 9th, 2012

    Obama is like a feral child raised by wolves learning to run on all fours and howl to communicate.

    Barry was raised by Communists learning nothing about private sector capitalism.

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  24. Stirrin the B.S.

    June 9th, 2012

    OMG, we’ve had these inane conversations with Michael before. He’s a moron. His ramblings make no sense – I think they are a product of conversation between two people that take place in his head. Quite frankly, I enjoyed Hiney MUCH more than Michael. Hiney was an idiot, Michael is on mind-altering drugs.

    Now, back to the Podhoretz commentary. When Obumbles goes off script – aka teleprompter – his ignorance of economics and other important issues is exposed, and he fails miserably.

    That is why, with the exception of Dubya, he has had far fewer solo press conferences than Clinton, GHW Bush and Renaldo Magnus. The emporer’s suit is revealed to be empty in that setting.

    Jake Tapper wrote a good commentary about it:

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/02/president-obama-bypasses-white-house-press-corps-for-other-qa-opportunities/

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  25. Bad Brad

    June 9th, 2012

    Michael, another thing, I’ve seen more than my fair share of Balance Sheets, and P and L statements all prepared per “geneally accepted accounting practices” , and I have never seen that category called Hidden Budget. Awfully hard to hide that, in fact I’d say impossible, unless of course your a state or federal government agency. You are way over your head. I’ve wasted enough time and have work to do (you ought to try it) I’m out.

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  26. Cruisin' Cat

    June 9th, 2012

    Local Government Workers = “We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded”

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  27. Michael

    June 9th, 2012

    bb, you are onto something all right. But even if there is no change in production because there is no change in demand, the corporations and farms that qualify for exemption get the exemption anyway. And the balance of taxpayers who do not qualify for the exemption make up the difference out of their own pockets. Oh wait, the average tax payer will not vote for more taxes (the make up part) and will see an effect on schools, on infrastructure, etc at their county levels. On Wisconsin, eh.

    You’re lost, pal. You have NO IDEA what you’re talking about because you have no idea what money represents. The private sector does not institute “make work jobs” that are paid for by SKIMMING MONEY FROM THE PUBLIC SECTOR.
    If the biggest argument you can make against the private sector is that they seek to keep the money they earn (while the public sector seeks to confiscate more and more to create giant useless bureaucracies that are nothing but payback to political donors) then you’ve lost the argument.
    Particularly because the top wage earners in this country bear an unfair burden of the taxes already, even if they are “cheating.”
    Your arguments are flaccid because philosophically you’re on unsound footing. -bfh

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  28. Free4Now

    June 9th, 2012

    What a piece this michael composite is. Must be something Øbama dreamed up as a holograph to try and confuse Conservatives. Unfortunately for both the creator and the createe, we can smell bs a mile away.

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  29. mkultra

    June 9th, 2012

    He said, ‘means of production’ twice today. LOL.

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  30. mkultra

    June 9th, 2012

    He hasn’t mentioned the proletariat yet but he’s new at trolling. I’m willing to give him a little time.

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  31. cfm990

    June 9th, 2012

    At full production now? Seems to me. you are a bit ignorant of American business practices. When a corporation produces to capacity, they expand. Expansion means more employees, more revenue to the state. Payroll taxes, sales taxes etc. Can you link to any story that validates your claim of running at capacity? If they are running at capacity then the added earnings far out pace any shortfall, a tax break might take in. And that, was the idea behind the tax break.

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  32. Michael

    June 9th, 2012

    bb, among items included in GAAP: account for money owed. Gov S Walker and his legislative set did not do that. Take a look at several articles appearing in WI to learn the truths coming clear. No one can doubt the truth of your experience but you have not actually looked at evidence. Nor do you seem to understand the definition of tax exemption as a part of the budget making process.
    Take the deduction for mortgage interest for example. I have no mortgage so I pay a bit more to support the deduction you have because the budget must be balanced. It’s the American Way.

    What a friggin idiot. Now you’re off in lala land talking about the mortgage interest deductions as if they are a “bad thing.” Listen, stupid, mortgage interest deductions are a way to get private citizens out from under feudalism. They can more readily afford property ownership. This is something that a lefty should APPLAUD, not decry. Do you see me taking a shit in the halls of my county’s seat of government because I pay school taxes but have no kids?
    People with kids get a deduction too. They get a double benefit.
    Should I be holding my breath and acting like an asshole because these taxes don’t speak to “myyyyyyyyy ownnnnnnnnnn Interestsssssssss”?
    Go away, wastoid, your notions are lunkheaded. -bfh

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  33. Bad Brad

    June 9th, 2012

    Well I could have guessed you didn’t have a mortgage, And the budget MUST BE BALANCED, it’s the American way. Kinda like our Federal Budget right.

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  34. Bad Brad

    June 9th, 2012

    I’m starting think Fur’s screwing with us a laughing his ass off. NOBODY could be this stupid.

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  35. cfm990

    June 9th, 2012

    Budgets MUST be balanced? Since when? I balance my budget, by not spending more than I have. Governments have no such constraint. Show me a government that could balance their budgets, without spending cuts.

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  36. cfm990

    June 9th, 2012

    @ Bad Brad. I think you may be right.

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  37. Stirrin the B.S.

    June 9th, 2012

    Michael, you’re one bizarre dude, man. What is your point? You offer up a very cryptic argument for a point that I have no idea what you are trying to make. I can only conclude that you’re smoking the same shit as the occupier-in-chief.

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  38. Wyatt, Insensitive Jerk

    June 9th, 2012

    Sorry, but Michael, whoever he is, is a “pizza” economist – there are only so many slices of pizza in the box, and if I take one, there is less for everyone else. A free market economy, or even a relatively free market economy like ours just doesn’t work that way. On the other hand, it’s normally a waste of time to explain things to pizza economists.

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  39. Stirrin the B.S.

    June 9th, 2012

    @bad brad & cfm – given the sadistic characteristics that BFH showed with his visual puns, you might be right.

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  40. Stirrin the B.S.

    June 9th, 2012

    @Wyatt – sorry but I disagree. You give him too much credit – he’s not a pizza economist, he’s barely a pizza delivery man.

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  41. mkultra

    June 9th, 2012

    @Michael I don’t expect you to know this, not having a mortgage of your own, but the yearly interest paid on a mortgage can be deducted from your gross income. That’s why it’s called a ‘deduction’. It’s not an ‘exemption’. And it’s not deducted from the tax you owe, but rather your income before taxes. Maybe you should get your information from the US tax code and not listen to a bunch of bleating leftist sheep who most likely pay no income taxes of their own. (51% of the US households paid no income tax in 2009).

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jul/08/john-cornyn/john-cornyn-says-51-percent-american-households-pa/

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  42. Bad Brad

    June 9th, 2012

    Well if that is the case, I want to thank him. Got me fired up and it’s going to be a good day in the gym.

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  43. cfm990

    June 9th, 2012

    @ Stirrin. A pizza delivery man? Nah, he’s a Noodleite.

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  44. Zonga

    June 9th, 2012

    Tone deafness? Gaff?

    Heck no, it was a shout out to his friends.

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  45. Wyatt, Insensitive Jerk

    June 9th, 2012

    Disclaimer: I didn’t mean for anyone to consider the term “pizza economist” to be a compliment – although it may land me a high paying job in what’s left of the Obama administration

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  46. mkultra

    June 9th, 2012

    @Michael, The government isn’t in debt because of the mortgage interest deduction. It is in debt because it spends more money than it receives in lawful taxes and makes up for this deficit by borrowing money.

    Allowing someone to keep more of the money they’ve earned is not stealing from the treasury, you dumb bastard. It never belonged to the government in the first place.

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  47. The Doktor

    June 9th, 2012

    “…Mr Romney has proposed changing certain deductions available to the 1 percent.”

    BINGO!!! We have an Occupy slug in our midst. Now, if only he had facts to back up his LIES. Links to viable sources, perhaps??? Not HuffPoo or MediaMutters or Moron.org.

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  48. Michael

    June 9th, 2012

    bfh, I wonder if you have paid attention to such evidence as this: the 1 percent pay 29 percent of their income in combined Federal, state and local taxes including SS contributions. You, if your ad revenue is actual, pay 28 percent. But for instance, you pay 10 percent of your income for SS while a member of the 1 percent pays 2 percent. Do you soon see the 28 percenter buying a home in Aspen and LaJolla (with an elevator in the garage for the Cadillacs)?

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  49. BigFurHat

    June 9th, 2012

    Michael.
    I have begun deleting your comments.
    Make an assertion in one comment on ONE thread and stick to that and debate that.

    Pick a topic and everyone will be more than happy to debate you.

    But you will stick to that topic, on THAT THREAD ONLY. Try and focus, shitface.

    Spar like a man, instead of windmilling and kicking and then running.

    What’s your topic?
    Wisconsin recall?
    Home mortgage deductions?
    GLSEN?
    Racism?
    Voter registration?
    Pick it and stick to it.
    You will not be allowed to troll and waste people’s time.
    Period.
    Got it, yet?

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  50. Michael

    June 9th, 2012

    mkultura, do you sense a separation in your own mind that provides for a minimum of two kinds of Americans. One will be a taxpayer who understands that persons elected to office are charged with defining priorities and funding them from resources available. The principal resources are income and assessments against real property. The elected representatives have reports of gross national product, the distribution of wealth, the number of employed citizens and their income. Based on such information, certain requirements of every citizen are set into law. Some citizens receive exemptions: the poor, the elderly, certain home owners, certain corporate interests. And if the budget is to be balanced, what is exempted must be covered by those without such exemptions.

    In the case in Wisconsin, certain businesses and certain agricultural interests who will produce no more, nor sell any more, nor employ an additional employee, will receive a new exemption requiring no proof of any action on their part that must unbalance the budget unless supplemented by increased taxes for others. Or by cuts in services at State, county and municipal levels including schools, health districts, water and sewer districts, etc. Please note that those who will receive this benefit were content with their contributions to the balanced budget. But none are objecting to this form of largesse. Prosperity Gospel at work.

    Go to the MICHAEL THREAD on the front page. -bfh

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  51. Unneutral

    June 9th, 2012

    If Obama had a son, he’d be just like Michael.

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  52. I Luv Bacon

    June 9th, 2012

    I smell Saturday a good ol’ fashion Sat. nite beatdown.

    C’mon Mikey, copy & paste sumpthin, quick, on your very own thread.

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  53. Michael

    June 9th, 2012

    bfh, perhaps you will identify which one or two of the relevant posters I might engage in debate. And perhaps give me a clue as to which Olympian used the term “shitface” to score points in debate.

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  54. mkultra

    June 9th, 2012

    I only called him a dumb bastard. I stand by my characterization.

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  55. BigFurHat

    June 9th, 2012

    Go to your thread, establish one topic and have at it.

    Stick to that topic. Answer questions when they are asked of you. Don’t run away and pretend you have other plates to spin on other threads, and that is why people’s questions and arguments go unanswered, because you’re too busy slaying multiple dragons.

    May I suggest a discussion of private sector and public sector, particularly in how it relates to the recall in Wisconsin?

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  56. Michael

    June 9th, 2012

    Just an innocent question, bfh, but can you explain the incidence of same posters on every thread you allow?

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  57. BigFurHat

    June 9th, 2012

    I use insults as bait.
    It’s great fun to write 300 words of opinion only to have a shitface focus on the fact that I called them a shitface- one word out of 300.
    If they wantonly take that bait it means I’ve won.

    I never take that bait in a debate because I have so much to focus on when they are trying to make philosophical points. If I focus on being called a name I know I’ve lost.

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  58. BigFurHat

    June 9th, 2012

    Well, if you’re saying what I think you are crudely trying to communicate, the rules are different for leftists here.

    You’re in our house, and all we ask is that you not have ADHD.

    We want your full attention on ONE topic, that way your assertions can be challenged and you will debate with the people doing the challenging.

    I will not have iOTW readers take the time to read your comments, and then respond, only to see that you’re on some other thread giving your version of debate – a cursory hit and run.

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  59. Ten Megaton

    June 9th, 2012

    Guess Jughead forgot Harry Reid stepping in shit back in October when he let his ass do the talking trying to make this same argument. Idiots can’t even be original.

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  60. Ten Megaton

    June 10th, 2012

    Obama running a $billion reelection campaign out to tell you something.

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  61. Death_By_Farts

    June 10th, 2012

    Thumbs up if you want me to take care of Micheal via my screen name :)

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