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December 29th, 2011
Meanwhile Muzzly leader Terry Wrist supports Ron Paul now more than ever.
Only a Satanist worships at the pagan altar of the state.
A Dear Reader wrote to tell us what we had guessed for ourselves. The insiders are behind the latest outrage – the defense authorization bill that allows the feds to put anyone in jail and hold them there forever, without trial.
You probably won’t read, more than once, this news: A lobbyist for passage of the NDAA [formerly S. 1867] works for a company that got a juicy Defense Department contract.
For some reason, you probably never knew that former Homeland Security chief Michael Chertoff lobbied to have Homeland Security’s Transportation Safety Agency [TSA] install the hated nude-body scanners in US airports. Chertoff, a dual US-Israeli citizen, works for the company that manufactures these nude-body scanners.
As to the lucky company in the current news, Surefire, is it a US company? Where does this company manufacture its night raid equipment?
With help from industry lobbyists, the laws to implement a police state are in place. An incident of some kind will precipitate their bloody use:
Oh no. The ladies of IOTW are gonna need a drool bucket watching Mark Steyn.
Here comes zoomtips with the Ron Paul one-trick pony show.
Lady in Red
Well. I like John Bolton. (And, hell, Mark Steyn! His accent is sexy and his writing is even sexier…)
I don’t know what Bolton’s worried about; I suspect he would make an excellent adviser to a Ron Paul administration: always know the possibilities, what’s going on.
What I found interesting here is the mushiness of what Bolton’s suggesting. What is it? We shouldn’t have left Iraq, because the boys and girls are fighting again? How long must we stay? How many tax dollars? To what end? Same for Afghanistan: I don’t know what the end game is there. Destroy the taliban? Eliminate Muslim terrorists? Then, come home?
I don’t disagree with wiping all the bad guys on the face of the earth off of it. But, I’m tired of dribbling tax dollars — to no stated end game, number one. And no end game I can envison that We Can Make Come True, number two.
Since we can blow ‘em all up at will, why referee between Shiites and Sunnis in Iraq? Why try to destroy the taliban in Afghanistan — when we know it is impossible (without a big boom).
I’m no pacifist. But, for the past decade, anyway, I see no winning end game. I see no one sitting down at a peace conference signing an “I lose” document. ….Lady in Red
Shouldn’t you nutballs be getting your fiscal house in order at Wingdale before you branch out nationally?
Yes, sweetie, we had the Chertoff story over a year ago. It’s called crony capitalism, not the precursors to a POLICE STATE.
There will be no police state in America, with U.S. tanks patrolling the streets and shooting citizens in the head. Besides, you can always upgrade to a Kevlar lined Tin foil hat.
Bolton is a loopy warmongering tool who has mislead this country more than once.
If this Bolton puppet wasn’t a the key player in the leading the stupid into chaos , he wouldn’t be front and center spewing his malicious propaganda.The gay mustachio is insane,
BFH – “There will be no police state in America, with U.S. tanks patrolling the streets and shooting citizens in the head.”
Little comfort when the drones turn the sky into a silent rain of death.
It’s called cognitive dissonance.
You were for the police state before you were against it or is it you were against the police state before you were for it?
It hard to tell with neo-progs…they always talk out of both sides of their mouths.
Stop using phrases like cognitive dissonance. It makes you look dumber than I already know you are. -bfh
LIR, see my statement about Bad Brad’s statement on RP.
Paultards fill in the blank left by Ron Paul in order to make his policies seem sane.
BB says “why wouldn’t we want to focus our money on ‘cool military stuff’ instead of wasting it policing the world.”
When the hell did Ron Paul say anything close to what BB is saying?
Last I heard he was decrying drones, WHICH IS THE LOW COST, PEACE KEEPING COOL STUFF.”
No, eggheads, you have all crawled into the Ron Paul shell to make him what you think he is saying. The problem is, the people against Ron Paul HEAR HIM CLEARLY. It is you guys who don’t.
Why would we be against Ron Paul if he was merely a fiscally responsible, big government slashing, constitutionalist? That’s what we want.
Oh, I know. Because we are brain dead neo-cons who are hypnotized and hoodwinked by the establishment. We dumb. You smart.
I’m glad Bolton made the point that Obama – giving the order to get Bin Laden – was what any sane person would’ve done. I’m so tired of everyone giving Obama lavish praise on a very easy call. And it wasn’t HIM that got Bin Laden it was SEAL Team 6!
@zoomtips – 4 years of RP as president and even you will be begging for John Bolton to run for president. I am not looking forward to saying I told you so, since the rest of us will have to suffer for your stupid decisions as well.
The lefty media will have a field day attacking wRONg PAUL and his foreign policy.
Ambassador John Bolton, aka the stache, should be in a decisive role for the next administration. He is currently serving as foreign policy advisor to Governor Perry in his bid for the White House.
I would think Secretary of State, but maybe SecDef would be more threatening to our enemies.
What say you?
Beyond thoughtless one-liners, is anyone who attends this site doing any *thinking*?
What is our present end game, vis a vis foreign policy?
If we try something new (like giving up on the war on drugs to see if America becomes a drug infested cesspool) we can always change, again, if Americans just lie around in heroin dens.
Same with foreign policy. Gently, slowly, bring the troops home. Watch. If the world goes to hell in a hand basket, we can still blow ‘em up.
But, I see NO end game, at present: NO possible win in Afghanistan and NO win in Iraq. None. Nothing. And, in both arenas, we “invest” graft in the most evil and corrupt of puppet leaders.
This is cool? Gimme a break. Try thinking.
….Lady in Red
You don’t have to worry about RP being elected- the lame stream media will see to that- and you’ll be the hanging your head in shame at the degradation of this once great Republic by the fascists you now so eagerly support.
Bolton was Atlas’s pick since day one.
I think she understands the world stage better than Ron Paul or any of his fanboys.
So, a cabinet pick? Certainly.
- You don’t have to worry about RP being elected- the lame stream media will see to that- and you’ll be the hanging your head in shame at the degradation of this once great Republic by the fascists you now so eagerly support._
I could say the exact same thing about you idiots not electing ME.
The same could be said about the idiots who didn’t elect John McCain.
This is just another symptom straight out of the loon playbook.
Elevate your bony Messiah as the guy who could have provided Unicorn Farts for all if only you weren’t too stupid!!
This is like tracking the stages of death. It’s classic.
Zoomtips…. the NDDA is just hitting my radar. I *cannot* envision *any* possible justification for the legislation: imprison American citizens with no warrant, no charge. And, Obama grins: so much for the political opposition.
(Sadly, this community is, mostly, focused on the “forced birthing” position of the GOP candidates.)
America is in trouble. I wish there were more creative thinking in vogue.
We play the hand we’re dealt. ….Lady in Red
My support for Perry just went up. If he’s smart enough to have Bolton advising him, then maybe I’ve misjudged him somewhat.
I do NOT drool over Mark Steyn. I *sigh* over Mark Steyn. There’s a big difference.
LIR-What is our present end game, vis a vis foreign policy?
Orwell must’a had a glimpse of the future in 1949.
If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever.
Read more: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/g/georgeorwe385724.html#ixzz1hwCqsJNn
“From where Winston stood it was just possible to read, picked out on its white face in elegant lettering, the three slogans of the Party:
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH.”
A nation of warriors and fanatics, marching forward in perfect unity, all thinking the same thoughts and shouting the same slogans, perpetually working, fighting, triumphing, persecuting – three hundred million people all with the same face.
1984 (Nineteen Eighty-Four)
The ideal set up by the Party, according to Winston, Part 1, Chapter 7.
Watching RP’s numbers go up in Iowa and his mind-numb supporters get louder and louder is like watching a star flame out.
It gets real big and nasty as it burns the last of its fuel, seems to take forever, but everyone knows it is dead.
I’ll say this for the umteenth time, this Republican Primary debate is arguing over the songs being played by the band on the deck of the Titanic.
I’m not trying to be cliché-cute.
Unless something dramatic and unforeseen takes place, we’re facing another term of Obama in the White House. Not a full four more years, mind you, but just enough time to bring America to her knees.
Diann…. There is a wonderful piece Mark Steyn wrote about Aayan Hirsi Ali and, bless him, it features a pic of him sitting in an outdoor bar between an attractive woman…(don’t remember who) and Hirsi Ali. He looks like a man in the catbird seat.
I suspect that, if he were not married, Hirsi Ali and he would be.
(Friend of mine in NH knows him and tells me he’s as much fun in person. Also, P.J. O’Rourke! …but he’s a chubby…)
…Lady in Red
certainly a Michele Bachmann presidency, or a Rick Perry presidency, or even a Donald Trump presidency, means BOOTS ON THE FACE FOREVER.
Here is where you are insane.
Who is going to put the boots on our face? A Michele Bachmann led army?
Or is it a fighting force from overseas that Ron Paul doesn’t want to confront???
Tell me it’s Michele Bachmann spearheading the Fourth Reich and I’ll get the Thorazine dart.
Tell me it’s an army invasion from a foreign land and I will kick you in your Ron Paul isolationist nuts so hard they will come out your mouth, turn around, call you an asshole, and then retreat back into your stomach where they haven’t yet descended.
Talk about COGNITIVE DISSONANCE.
Get the goddamn lunatic Ron Paul passion play script straightened out in your head before you broadcast to the world that Ron Paul, and Ron Paul alone, is going to save us from the evil world he wants nothing to do with and wants to ignore.
THIS, my friend, is why you are considered a friggin looooooooon.
“I will kick you in your Ron Paul isolationist nuts so hard they will come out your mouth, turn around, call you an asshole, and then retreat back into your stomach where they haven’t yet descended.”
This is like watching a pit bull take on a couple of chihuahua’s!
I don’t know if your last screed made sense to you when you wrote it, Fur, but I can’t parse it.
Just screaming. Nothing about our foreign policy objectives, end games, winning — something.
Then, you switch to an interview with the morbidly obese Dick Morris, a Clinton re-tread who was passing state secrets and confidential conversation to a prostitute — while he was licking her toes.
And, presumably, because morbidly obese Dick Morris thinks Ron Paul would be a bad choice for president, I am supposed to cease thinking and…?
….and what? Vote for Eye of Newt while, unthinkingly, allowing Morris to lick *my* toes?
We’re looking for some thinking here, Fur, not more screaming. ….Lady in Red
Morris left one thing off – Paul is Bat S**t CRAZY.
I want the RP fan club to answer this:
Who would RP pick as his running mate and who do you think he would pick to be in his cabinet?
What happens when Uncle Sam finally runs out of money? Just printing more money causes inflation aKa devaluation of the dollar.
How will we maintain world dominance?
How do we maintain our bases and supply our troops with material support?
No, you cant follow what I am saying, can you?
Zoomtits is saying that if we don’t have a Ron Paul presidency we will have the jackboots on our faces for eternity, he’s quoting Orwell.
I’m asking this loon to tell me who is wearing those boots?
Is it an army commanded by Michele Bachmann, theoretically a woman who could stupidly and disastrously prevent THE ONE from saving us all?
Or is it an army from a foreign land, a land that he wants to isolate from?
You can’t follow this line of THINKING?
Good question, SuperToe. I’d adore a Sarah Palin VP pick…
I think John Bolton would be an excellent cabinet selection. It’s important to surround yourself with folk who can challenge your thinking and offer a different perspective. I don’t know that he’d do this, but…
And, back to Fur’s screaming ugly: I don’t know that Ron Paul is the best of the best. I think he’s pick of the present litter — and I think his ideas are worth a try.
Fur just screams. He has no plan, no end game, no objective beyond boots in someone’s face and some stupid macho ball-kicking exercise.
This is not good foreign policy, in my estimation.
Ron Paul is worth a chance. He is the only one who really will slash govt, audit/kill the Fed, make significant domestic difference. He has integrity.
Fur believes the world would disappear in four years were we to elect Paul. The world has survived four years of Obama bowing to the Muslims. That, in my estimation, was much much worse.
Ron Paul is not the messiah. He is a choice, an experiment that just might work, is certainly worth a try (Fur’s screeching, aside).
…Lady in Red
Good question, Zonga. I don’t know.
Can you handle answer that one, Fur? What happens when we run out of money? (Mark Steyn has written that we’re broke, broke, broke before 2020 and that the only way America can survive at all is for the Rest of the ENTIRE World to spend 15-20 percent of its GDP on US Treasuries. Which won’t happen. And, that would only keep the USA treading water, not strong.)
….Lady in Red
PS: I still don’t follow your writing, Fur. Seriously. At the same time, I don’t suspect that it’s worth much effort, that there is a good thought buried there.
“Defending the country” means being involved in 150 countries. Sounds like doublespeak to me.
Uncle Sam did run out of money, long ago.
Spending money on the military is every bit the economic stimulus as spending money on funding the Dream Act, the DOE, pencil pushing do nothing public civil servants, Obamacare, funemployment, or any other lefty cause.
Get rid of those programs and scale back the military to sustainable levels by developing weaponry that can take the place of antiquated, costly ones. Have the military supplant much of the work done by civil servants and cut those jobs completely.
In short, build up the military industrial complex by streamlining it. Dismantling it is a foolhardy full throttle solution to war fatigue. It is suicide and stupid and it appeals to stupid people or left-wingers who would like nothing more than to see the rise of socialism, Marxism and communism around the world.
Of course paranoid morons would fear this because it would mean that the military build up is just a precursor to having them round up the citizenry and put them in FEMA camps, just like the completely militarized Israel (rolls eyes.)
My question to the paranoid – why are people in America going to be put into FEMA camps if we are a freedom loving, constitutionally sound, capitalist country that has a strong military presence?
Of course I could do some “real thinking” and finally see the wisdom for dismantling the industrial military complex as a response to it currently costing too much.
Saying that military budgets could have a scalpel put to them, that they can be modernized, that they could have a budgetary cap, that more could be done to pay for it, is simply kooky talk.
Ron Paul is on the right path – America is the problem in the world, withdraw completely from the world theater, dismantle the CIA, get rid of intelligence gathering abroad, but keep an eye on those Bilderberg Zionist Jew bastards.
LIR, I screech when I am confronted by idiots who cannot follow a simple line of thinking. It’s not rocket surgery.
Zoomtits is afraid of the jackboots on the face if Ron Paul isn’t elected. (He said it, NOT ME.)
My questions. Whose boots are on our faces?
Is it an army led by Michele Bachmann if she beats Ron Paul to the presidency?
Or is this army from a foreign land?
This is too hard to follow? Maybe if I whisper it you can follow along?
I ask because (I’m still whispering) it is paranoid lunacy to suggest that any other Republican candidate in the field is going to jackboot us.
In addition, if the Ron Paulbot-addled mind can conceive of these jackboots coming from a foreign army, why is he dismantling the military industrial complex?
Didja get it yet?
Fur, I don’t think spending money on the military is economic stimulus. Men and women are taken away from productive work to fight and die or get maimed. Apparently the VA cannot keep up with the sheer numbers of physically and or mentally damaged vets. The VA needs money but they say they’re not getting enough to properly care for our wounded.
I don’t think war production can be considered a profit making endeavor that will improve our economy.
Yep. Got it, Fur.
Thanks. ….Lady in Red
BFH, In case you did not read my post on the previous article, I am not a Paulbot. Again, I have real problems with Nation Building, and statement I have written along those lines are the only thing I see that would lead you to believe I’m trying to legitimize Ron Paul’s positions. Ronald Reagan did not Nation Build. I manufacture component parts for weapon system and when we are in conflict as a nation, all of us in this industry get busy. It’s about the last vestige of manufacturing left in our country. Everything else has been intentionally sent off shore. Look up the difference between the old GDP and the GNP they use now and tell me shifting all that work off shore was not intentional.
But enough of that. I feel we are wasting money and lives sticking around in some god forsaken country trying to make them fit into our image. It’s not really what our military was designed for. Kill them and get out. Let the U.N. pick up the pieces.
You keep bringing up Drones. Useful tool. But a very small portion of what we have in development. I don’t have a security clearance so I can give you a list of stuff to google if you would like. And for those of you who think military spending is a waste of money all those dollars are spent domestically. Just about all technology we use today in commercial applications originated and was developed through military spending. You know that cell phone next to you on your desk. Would not exist with out military spending.
In my opinion if Ron Paul was elected president we would end up in World War 3. Our enemies hate us because we are free. Period end of story, and no matter how you treat them they are still going to try and hurt us.
I think you jumped the gun on your opinion.
WTF? The crazy must be contagious.
End game? You want an ‘End Game’?
Would the smoldering ruins of a major US city, as the result of a suitcase nuke, qualify?
Here, Fur. Joe McQuaid, in the NH Union Leader, calls Ron Paul dangerous:
I cannot, possibly, see trying enemy combatants as civilians. Insane? Yep. I would like to think that, with the right advisers, a view like that would mature with Ron Paul as president. (After all, Obama didn’t unlock all the jail doors in Cuba, did he? …No matter what he said.)
I have more respect for McQuaid than I do Dick Morris. Regardless, I do My Own Thinking.
…Lady in Red
Good point Norman. Everything is connected, like, how can we have security without border control. Terrorists can just walk across the border now with their “luggage”.
Here’s another one for you, Fur. Daniel Henninger, in the WSJ, writing about the Ron Paul *voter* and what Romney needs to do to appeal to that Angry Misanthrope (feels like me. …smile.)
I like Henninger, a lot. Interesting, Ann Coulter and Henninger come down for Romney. Thomas Sowell for Eye of Newt. Hard to tell. ….must keep thinking.
…Lady in Red
Miltary spending is every bit the stimulus that any other left-wing agenda is, by their own definition.
The money is not burned down a rathole.
It goes into the pockets of people to spend. The “military industrial complex” is an economy.
The VA employs people, that’s stimulus.
Soldiers injured are a drain?
Why, just ask Paul Krugman about the stimulus that an anarchist provides by breaking a window.
There is an entire thesis devoted to it.
And there are more people dead and in hospitals with gunshot wounds as the result of left-wing policy here in the inner cities.
Making a missile provides as many jobs as making a windmill.
* I might also add, when we make a missile we have a missile. When the government attempts to make a windmill we get Solyndra.
Rereading my own posts it does sound as if I am coming down on you as a Paulbot.
That wasn’t my intent. I was taking your statement -
Poor the money into cool defense (offensive) stuff, use our military as it was designed and stop our young people coming home missing body parts.
- as a reasonable one. I agree with you. I was saying, however, when was the last time you heard Ron Paul say anything like this? He doesn’t. He eschews the MIC as completely worthless and he has great disdain for it, ON PRINCIPLE. Even if we were to develop advantageous weaponry for the cost of a Rosa Parks medal he would be against it.
NO RON PAUL.
If you got caught up in my spittle, it wasn’t intentional to point to you specifically as a Paulbot.
We already have that weaponry. And we don’t use it because of some dumb ass committee that determined rules of engagement. And I guess one of the points I was trying to clumsily make, if we implemented some of this new weaponry we could save a lot of American lives. The war (wars) have been mismanaged from the Bush Administration to the current idiot. Even though it’s called the department of defense, rarely do we work on a Defensive weapon, They are all Offensive. The whole things gotten to politically correct and the wrong people die. Remember the Viet Nam war coverage. They used to give a body count of the bad guys like every nite. They don’t do that anymore. You can’t even find any accurate data on the internet. Why, because we wouldn’t want to offend anybody.
Our military is shackled by all this P.C. crap. I guess we are waging kinder gentler wars. So lets save some lives and money, do what we need to, and get out. I hope that brings some clarity to where I’m coming from.
Right Fur, I wasn’t comparing MIC to the left-wing agenda.
I was thinking about the business of war. The MIC end product is what? War, which creates the demand. The business stimulates the local economy through manufacturing jobs. The workers can also make stockpiles and war material can be sold to other countries. I’m no economist, but perpetual war destroys our best and brightest who could otherwise have productive work and contribute to the economy.
Comparing the MIC to the left-wing agenda. Long story short, the left-wing agenda must be cut off from all taxpayer money. I know, it’s a dream.
I’ve heard Ol’Doc Batman talk about casualties, the cost of war, he’s against nation building, believes Congress should declare war, and so on. He seems to want the MIC for defense. I don’t exactly know what he means by “defense”.
I don’t know what he may have said about offensive weapons.
I’m merely pointing out that the left makes the claim that unemployment and food stamps are a stimulus, along with virtually every other dime that is jettisoned into “the system” from the public trough, but where their economic philosophy stonewalls is at the MIC.
I call foul.
Now, obviously military spending and the pentagon etc, needs to reeled in. There has to be some sanity brought to that table.
But Ron Paul’s plan is not sanity.
Speaking of fudging numbers to support an agenda, Ron Paul’s minions continually say we have military bases in 150 countries.
Many of these military bases are in places like Antigua, where we have 3 people. 3 TROUBLEMAKERS.
I think they are counting doormen at U.S. embassies.
He’s come out against drones. http://shitronpaulsays.com/2011/11/06/ron-paul-against-drone-program/
He’s said we can defend America with a fleet of submarines off both coasts http://current.com/entertainment/comedy/93549369_ron-paul-moves-up-and-breaks-out-little-submarines.htm
At your link it looked like he objected to the way drones are being used and pointing out they create collateral damage and there is no way to know that the target has been taken out. He said it is some kind of violation for us to just bomb Pakistan and Yemen now. He doesn’t like drones.
The submarine one was strange.
Right. My point being that it has nothing to do with costs.
He’s using costs as a wedge to do away with what he is morally against.
It could be a nickel and he would be against drones on principle.
They could be simply for intelligence gathering and he will say, nope.
This is that strident, consistency I’m supposed to admire.
I’m not going to reprint the entire story “Out With a Bang” by Damon Knight,
but briefly, it’s the story of a modern day Adam and Eve, being the last people left on Earth, responsible for repopulating civilization. Eve was a very principled Christian woman who had her rules that would not be broken.
When Adam falls to the bathroom floor with a lethal affliction that required his medication, he suddenly realized she wasn’t going to be of any help.
The door said MEN. She would NEVER go into the Men’s Room, and the human race ended on principle.
Far fetched? In Ron Paul’s case? No way.
Who else would publicly say he wouldn’t have went to war with Germany to save the Jews from a holocaust?
We went and didn’t even know the full extent of what went on. He has the benefit of knowing the full atrocity and he said no.
Let me guess, he’s a holocaust denier?
We didn’t go to war with Germany to save the Jews. We went to war with Germany because Hitler declared war on us.
MEANINGLESS POINT – Ron Paul was asked specifically if he would have gone to war to save the Jews. _bfh
“Just to be clear all of the GOP candidates save Ron Paul have the exact same foreign policy as Obama.
Why are those calling for war with Iran in the GOP those who never served? Why does the military overwhelmingly support the one candidate who wants peace? Does that mean that if you don’t support him that you don’t support the troops?”
Paul: ” I did write parts of the newsletters, just not those parts” .
The man is an effin imbecile.
@super toe, just have to say that that is the most delightful avatar I’ve ever seen!
I want him…he looks tasty.
I saw this photo on a site I visit and I couldn’t resist grabbing it.
I can send it to you if you like.
Better yet…You can grab the photo here:
Well, Germany was declaring war on everyone, same as the muslim brotherhood, aka taliban, aka cair, aka aphc, aka palestinian authority, aka islam, islam islam…
Look at these people. Are these the kind of people you want in charge of things? I wouldn’t think so.
More PROOF of Ron Paul’s RACISM RIGHT HERE;
How long are you RP fans going to go to bat for this guy?
Did you not read or hear what he said today during an interview.
” I did write parts of the newsletters, just not those parts”.
This is a presidential candidate?
Who then wrote these letters that were published in HIS newsletter? He allowed it.
You people are useful idiots to the democrats. I believe more and more libertarians are just another name for “LIB”s who are in need of more
And while I am at it….
@sWamp-Ass – as my dear brother, currently a misguided Ron Paul fan, said to me when I sent him the RedState post regarding Paul’s endorsement of Cynthia McKinney, Ralph Nader, etc. – “Sponsored Content”.
Political ADVERTISEMENTS are just that. And this is just the latest one from Ron Paul to try to stop the bleeding that has been caused by his newsletters.
@super toe, thanks for the link! Awesome!
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