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DHS Orders an additional 22 million rounds of Ammo ( Blink)

- by - February 8, 2013 - 03:25 America/New_York - 58 Comments

Is DHS ammo order an alternate way to gun control? The total order is enough ammo fight Iraq and Afghanistan for 30 years. A firearm is near useless without ammo.

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  1. Unruly Refugee

    February 8th, 2013

    They will probably transfer the arms and ammo to mosques when the shit hits the fan.
    The traitor told us in his book who he would stand with.

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  2. Dadof3

    February 8th, 2013

    This sh!t makes re-loading more expensive too.

    Everyone and their brother is getting on the reload wagon and drying up those supplies too.

    Bastards. Preparedness-wise, I’m glad I had a four year head start on things but I feel for those who have only recently awakened to the reality of what’s going on.

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  3. Dadof3

    February 8th, 2013

    BTW A trip I made to the local reload supply store in late January had no less than 3 BATFE agents there. One was pretending to be a first time reloader to start conversations with everyone.

    He didn’t do a very good job because he always had the same lines, never took anyone’s advice and never bought anything.

    I’ve known the guy behind the counter for four years now. He confirmed my conclusions when I called him later.

    The two quiet ones became obvious as soon as I rebuffed the talker. He wanted to talk .223 and I had nothing for him. One gave me the stinkeye with a grimace after I told the talker I wasn’t into .223 and was there to develope a light varmimt load and a heavy hog load both in .308.

    It was a weird 30 minutes in there.

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  4. Unruly Refugee

    February 8th, 2013

    Dadof3, that sounds spooky; I’ve seen those guys around too.

    I load with RCBS, what do you use?

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  5. Dadof3

    February 8th, 2013

    rcbs too

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  6. Unruly Refugee

    February 8th, 2013

    Ah, the best. Except for their priming systems. That’s the only Lee tool I use — Lee Auto-prime hand primer. Feels cheap but seats ‘em right.

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  7. Dadof3

    February 8th, 2013

    Only having used the one that RCBS provided I have nothing to compare to. But It works great for me and have no complaints.

    Gotta admit the first times at any part of this is scary.

    first primer? Am I going to set this thing off by crushing it?

    first trigger pull on a reload of yours? Is this my LAST trigger pull?

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  8. Unruly Refugee

    February 8th, 2013

    I got an RCBS press kit for my birthday about 26 years ago and never stopped. Slow going at first. But a couple thousand rounds later, I have never had any problems with my loads and will always prefer them over store bought ammo.
    I did have a batch of .357 loaded with Hercules 2400 that flattened all the primers because of the high pressure, but it was a very hot day — over 100°.
    2400 is still my favorite powder, you can’t buy pressure like that over the counter. Up to 2000 feet/sec if you don’t mind the wear and tear on your .357.

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  9. Dadof3

    February 8th, 2013

    I could have used a mentor like you, unruly.

    The net and meticulusly following instructions are all I had.

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  10. Unruly Refugee

    February 8th, 2013

    That will do, Dadof3. I just learned on my own with books and load data. You can write most powder manufacturers and receive free load tables as I did before I had internet. many of them have different different recipes for the same bullet.
    It’s a very rewarding hobby and a most valuable survival tool.

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  11. Blink

    February 8th, 2013

    I put up this link because a friend had sent me some information from a meeting of firearms dealers. They predicted ammo shelves would remain empty for at least 9 months.

    This is because all the ammo manufacturers are running at full capacity and the law requires ammo orders be filled in this order; military, law enforcement, then civilian.

    If DHS is purchasing enough ammo to supply peak military demand if fighting in two countries for 30 years. It serves no purpose other than to keep ammo out of the hands of civilians. A firearm without ammo is just a piece of metal. DHS is infringing upon our right to practical keeping and bearing of arms by denying or preventing us ammo. The new DHS order will clearly extend the 9 month scarcity of ammo predicted at the meeting of firearms dealers.

    I intend to write my Senators and Congressmen asking why they are permitting DHS to violate the Second Amendment. And why DHS is stockpiling a 30 year supply of ammo at war time use levels. I won’t get an answer but the answer I get ought to have some entertainment value.

    Other conclusions from their meeting was that they had never seen anything like the current buying frenzy. Every long arm is gone, even all the Enfields and Mosin Nagants. All the ammo is gone, their conclusion was that it didn’t look like people fearful of having gun ownership restricted. It looks like people preparing for war.

    Listening to the local radio station this morning a local city chief of police was excited to announce they now had money in their budget to afford an armored vehicle. For hostage situations, he said.

    I have doubts that hostage situations is the real purpose for wanting to have an armored vehicle. If the gun grabbers can say we don’t need 30 round magazine, I can say city police departments don’t need armored vehicles.

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  12. Brian in BC

    February 8th, 2013

    I too recently picked up a RCBS set-up and am waiting for my rebate check from them…amazing deal for a while there.

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  13. Dadof3

    February 8th, 2013

    U get the deluxe? What kind of deal?

    I paid $320 or so 4 years ago. Haven’t checked out prices since.

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  14. Brian in BC

    February 8th, 2013

    Bought the complete Rockchucker kit for $350…with a $50 rebate bringing it down to $300…which for those of us North of the 49th parallel is a really great deal.

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  15. Dadof3

    February 8th, 2013

    Sounds like a deal to me!

    I called it Rock Crusher for a while. :)

    Freud and all that, ya know.

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  16. Brian in BC

    February 8th, 2013

    …nice…I’m starting with 9mm, will work up to .308 once I’m comfortable that I won’t crush my rocks or anyone else’s within range.

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  17. Dadof3

    February 8th, 2013

    Nice. What kind of 308 ya got?

    It’s my fave all around caliber. Quite versatile. Reaches out far enough for me and still gives a thump.

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  18. Brian in BC

    February 8th, 2013

    Savage 10FP. I agree that it’s a great calibre…and if things ever go completely sideways…well, I think it’s prudent to ensure that you have calibre compatibility with military product (9mm, 12 gauge, 5.56, .308, 7.62).

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  19. Dadof3

    February 8th, 2013

    Agreed.

    Wow. I have 3 but only one is a bolt gun.

    Savage 10FP-SR with a flash hider on it. Put a 4-12 Burris LaserScope on top.

    Tack

    Driver

    My #1 son is a cop. He has mixed feelings on waiting for me to croak before it rests at his house for good.

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  20. Brian in BC

    February 8th, 2013

    I sincerely believe that the Savage 10FP is about as accurate a rifle out of the box as you can buy.

    Funny story. I was sighting it in with my wife on the spotting scope. After we had it dialled, she wanted to shoot it. First shot, I call “miss”. Second shot: “miss”. Third shot “miss”. Then she looks at me and says, “there is simply no way that I missed those three shots.” At that point I realized that I’d put the spotting scope on the wrong target…oops…sorry honey. :)

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  21. Dadof3

    February 8th, 2013

    hahahhaha It happens.

    I have shot the wrong target before.

    Bet she’s reminded you of that some too.

    You’re going to be mighty pleased if you’ve never fed it hand loaded before.

    When you find the right load it should outshoot the best ammo on the shelf since the casing will be form fitted to your chamber.

    Once I realized that I never compared my costs to Winchester White Box again. You’re in the custom range now.

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  22. Bad Brad

    February 8th, 2013

    Unruly Refugee, Dude, get rid of the Hercules. DuPont 296 has been the hot set up since Christ was a kid for magnum pistol. Check it out. I like the post I’m seeing here about the long ranged shit. However theirs a lot better rounds with a lot better ballistics out there right now. But I’d hang with 308. You guys give me hope.

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  23. Brian in BC

    February 8th, 2013

    I’m looking forward to the entire load development process, should be fun and yeah, definitely a premium product at the end of the process.

    The last time we were at the range, she decided that my brand new S&W M&P9 which was a Christmas present (honey, guess what you bought me :) ) was actually going to be her new gun…sigh…guess that’s my “reminder”.

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  24. Dadof3

    February 8th, 2013

    Well, BB, as Brian said, 1st priority is to be able to use any military/nato ammo. So here we are.

    But if I had an extra 10,000 laying around I’d get a semi-auto Barrett 50bmg

    Is that what you’re talkin’ about?

    I’d skip right past the .338 Lapua I wanted for a while (at $1,000 I almost pulled that trigger last year)

    Because if I’m going for a distant super thump the 50bmg is way better than the .338Lapua and they’re both in the “too expensive to shoot all the time” range for me.

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  25. Unruly Refugee

    February 8th, 2013

    Bad Brad, accuracy starts to drop off with the so-called “hot” loads when you start getting close to max pressures. I quit using 296 a while back. It’s a very good powder but 2400 is the best for my Ruger mag according to my records.

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  26. Bad Brad

    February 8th, 2013

    Unruly, review those ballistics again bro. I know longer own a 357. All 44 mag. But I have a shit load of 357 loaded with dupont 296. Love to send them to you as I have know use. Here’s the deal, look at the ballistics. The 296 medium load surpass the Herc Max loads in performance. Don’t load 296 to the max. On a side not the last 357 I owned was a Python. The head spacing stared getting loose so I sold it. I kick myself every day. You can’t touch a good one for under 3 grand now. A friend of mine once said, “I’ve never sold a gun that I wasn’t sorry about selling” Word up home boy.

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  27. Unruly Refugee

    February 8th, 2013

    Bad Brad, I’ve seen all the load data I could get my hands on. I am using MY shooting and reloading records — the actual records of my own testing. What the hell do I need to “Word Up” for?
    2400 is what works for me. You want me to use 296 just because it works for you? I’ve loaded a hell of a lot of .357, and not just for myself. 296 is a good powder. 2400 is what’s best for my gun and it works very well for the people I load for too.

    But, hey, I could use those .357 rounds you are not using. Even casings are getting hard to find.

    I can feel your loss too. The .357 is a better man-stopper than a .44 mag if you feed it the right ammo.

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  28. Dadof3

    February 8th, 2013

    I understand BB. I’ve never sold a gun. That is one of the reasons. I still miss the .22lr revolver that was burgled from my home back in the 90s.

    Had a hard time giving some as gifts but they stayed in the family. I even made them promise I could use them when I wanted and they HAD to stay in the family! Lol

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  29. Bad Brad

    February 8th, 2013

    I can feel your loss too. The .357 is a better man-stopper than a .44 mag if you feed it the right ammo.

    Negatory ghost rider. I know what you read. And there’s no logic there. Further more if that premiss is true, we should all be shooting 22 lr.

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  30. Unruly Refugee

    February 8th, 2013

    Bad Brad, its a long ongoing argument and I think both sides are right. The .44 mag has more knockdown power, but the .357 mag can put three shots in COM in the same time it takes to place one with the .44 mag.
    I’m not going searching for the data that confirms either one as the champ. You will find whatever you are looking for on the internet– not gonna play that game. I just know what works for me and the people I shoot with.

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  31. Unruly Refugee

    February 9th, 2013

    There is nothing, NOTHING, as versatile as the .357 when it comes to the variety of different loads that gun can fire. From weak paper punching .38s up to 2000 ft/sec barrel burners. I even have special casings for shooting wax bullets indoors.
    Easier to carry too. But weak compared to the .44 mag when it comes to bear country carry.

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  32. Bad Brad

    February 9th, 2013

    Unruly Refugee

    That’s fair enough. And on the flip side I have big hands and the 44 mag just fits me. Sure wish I had that Python back though. Damn thing was a nail driver.

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  33. Bad Brad

    February 9th, 2013

    On a side note I find it amazing all of us are talking a bout wheel guns. Pretty cool I think.

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  34. Unruly Refugee

    February 9th, 2013

    Love the wheel guns bro!

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  35. Unruly Refugee

    February 9th, 2013

    Bad Brad, being a weight lifter of substantial strength, you might be able to hold onto that big .44mag and put three rounds center mass while others would not be able to do it in the same time frame. Too big a gun for a quick 2nd shot in my hands.
    :-)

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  36. Brian in BC

    February 9th, 2013

    I’m a semi-auto guy…faster reloads please.

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  37. Unruly Refugee

    February 9th, 2013

    Brian in BC, do you not have handgun restrictions up there above the 49th? Or what about reloading, they don’t care about that up there?
    Asking because I have thought about moving up yonder.

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  38. Bad Brad

    February 9th, 2013

    1911 IN TOWN, WHEEL GUN IN THE COUNTRY, NO QUESTION.

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  39. Dadof3

    February 9th, 2013

    While I have a 586-3 it is not my most coveted. By far.

    Gorgeous as the S&W is my Glock20 (10mm) will kick it’s ass every time in the field. There are loads that are more powerful in the .357, but only some. I’m throwing 135gr gold dot hp at 1600 fps, 155gr at 1500, 165gr at 1400, 180gr at 1300.

    My hunt load is 200gr WFNGC Hardcast @ 1300 fps.

    15 rounds of those compared to any 6 or 7 rounds of .357 and I can load another 15 in a couple of seconds? I’m sold. I have quantity needs.

    Here is the video that showed me 8 rounds of .45 won’t do.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt2zx1LDaHQ

    I picked the Glock as my hog gun because of power but also because I was going to be rough with it in the woods – so I respectfully disagree about the country/city roles, BB. I would cringe at taking my beautiful 586 in the woods for a hunt.

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  40. Dadof3

    February 9th, 2013

    But unruly… who needs a second shot with a .44mag? lol

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  41. Unruly Refugee

    February 9th, 2013

    Gotta go with what you are most comfortable with. David used only a sling shot and a rock to take down that giant 0ccupier.
    The argument for higher capacity is truly justified. If you can hit a moving target (one that is firing at you) every time without miss, a single shot will do. If there are eight of them shooting at you a 75 round drum mag would probably be the way to go.
    Wheel guns never jam though.

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  42. Dadof3

    February 9th, 2013

    Actually, my 586 did jamb. But only after all 6 rounds were fired. It was reloading I was prevented from doing.

    For some reason we could not open the cylinder after a set one time. Never experienced it since but it was the damnedest thing.

    If it was life or death time it would have been six rounds and chuck it at them.

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  43. Dadof3

    February 9th, 2013

    You mean that assault sling “that goes up” thing?

    He attacked an unarmed man too, didn’t he?

    Probably wasn’t even registered.

    10 sheckles says he didn’t have a permit for it.

    Dude was a criminal as soon as he showed up!

    hey! I think I’m gettin’ the hang of liberal think.

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  44. Unruly Refugee

    February 9th, 2013

    Lol, that’s good! I’d like to see a cartoon or poster with that on it.!

    I’ve had cylinder tightness before with some high pressure loads and found by examining the primers closely that they had been pushed out of their seat far enough to keep the cylinder from moving freely. That’s when I bought a primer pocket gauge. The casings were fine though. Shooting on a hot day can really make the pressure spike.

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  45. Brian in BC

    February 9th, 2013

    Unruly, as far as Canadian gun laws go, prepare to jump through hoops!

    First you have to take a course on firearm safety (2 days) and handling or you can challenge the test. If you want to shoot handguns or black rifles add a second test (called Restricted Firearms). Once completed you send off your paperwork to the RCMP with your photograph and list of references and questions on your background.

    Then both you and your references (which must include spouse or significant other) will be called to be asked why you want to own restricted firearms and if there is any fear that you would harm them or someone else. Oh, did I mention that if you give “self-defence” as your reason, it’s an automatic denial?

    Wait another month or so…get your license in the mail. You now have a PAL and/or RPAL ((Restricted) Possession and Acquisition License) which now makes it legal for you to purchase and possess firearms…but wait…there is more…you have to reapply every 5 years.

    Now you go to the gun shop, if you want to buy a long gun, show your card, pay your cash and walk out (Canadian government abolished our long gun registry this last year…yay!). Ah, but you want to buy an AR or handgun. Pay for gun, pat it nicely and tell it you hope to see them again soon. Your purchase information is then sent to the office of the Provincial CFO (Chief Firearms Officer) who then at their discretion and on their timeline approves the transfer of ownership to you so you can take it home…my first handgun took 3 days, my last handgun took several weeks (due to the massive increase in Canadian restricted purchases combine with a new CFO’s office playing politics)…(I understand that Ontario and Quebec are taking up to 2 months currently!). Did I mention you also have to have a current membership at a shooting range or collector status?

    So you get a call from the shop that it’s time to take your gun home…sure hope you spent that time ensuring that you’d applied for and received an ATT or LTATT. That my friends is an “Authorization to Transport” or Long Term Authorization to Transport. This is the piece of paper which gives you permission to take your restricted gun to and from the gunsmith, range(s) and home (directly in as straight a manner as possible with no stops or deviations).

    Ah, not done yet. Storage and Transport laws must be adhered to as well. This means restricted guns must be transported trigger locked, in a locked opaque case, unloaded and separate from the ammunition. This is also true in the home where they must be locked in a vault or safe, unloaded and separate from the ammunition. The CFO has the right to call you to arrange an inspection of your storage area to determine if you are in compliance. It is very rare but if you have more than 10 restricted guns, you are on the radar and more likely to be called.

    There is no handgun or black rifle hunting. There is no concealed carry. Those of us who own restricted firearms basically have range toy paper punchers. No suppressors, restrictions on total length of gun (basically only full sized handguns, no short barrelled revolvers or micro-automatics).

    So with all of this the Canadian gun enthusiast is pretty much guaranteed to be as legal and law abiding person as possible…statistics show that we are 400% less likely to commit crimes etc. Just as in the US, our shootings tend to be either gang related or mentally ill related, with illegal weapons by non-licenced people.

    As far as reloading goes. Show license for powder and primer purchase. Required to store them in locked wooden case marked explosives.

    …the upside…we are allowed some toys not generally available in the US. Short barrelled shotguns (8″ barrels with pistol grips), 10″ AR CQB’s, Norinco guns.

    Let me know if there is anything else you wanted to know and I’ll do what I can.

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  46. Unruly Refugee

    February 9th, 2013

    Brian in BC, thanks so much for that very excellent explanation. You answered all of the questions I have been wondering about for years, plus some that I wasn’t even aware of yet. Holy smokes that’s a lot of regulations.
    Why would they burden you with all that and then let you have an 8″ shotgun??! For protection?

    Thanks again for taking the time to explain to me what nobody else ever could or would. I really do appreciate it.

    :smile:

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  47. Brian in BC

    February 9th, 2013

    No problem. Canadian gun laws are really weird and the vast, vast majority of Canadians have absolutely no idea what they are…often this includes the police. Most of us carry the transport and storage regulations with us in case we ever have to explain to the police that we are in compliance.

    If you look at the history of Canadian gun laws you see the following pattern: tragic event leading to implementation of stupid new law which wouldn’t have made any difference and only affects the law abiding…lather, rinse, repeat. Add the CFO office for an added dose of political power play and it makes for some really nonsensical rules.

    I have another good one for you. We have magazine restrictions. If you have a rifle magazine, it must be pinned to 5 rounds of it’s stated calibre…here’s where it gets fun :) If you have a 10 round AR pistol magazine, you can use it because it was designed for pistols, doubling your capacity…and it get’s better…the brand new .50 Beowulf magazines, if they are pinned to 5.8 or 5.9 rounds may be loaded with 16-18 rounds of .223/5.56 all legal by the letter of the law.

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  48. Dadof3

    February 9th, 2013

    Wow, Brian. Just… Wow! I had no idea.

    It can only get that way because the people let it.

    A good lesson for us you described there. Always fight the grabbers.

    Always.

    Don’t give an inch because you’re likely never to get it back again.

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  49. Brian in BC

    February 9th, 2013

    You are right Dadof3, this is why adherence to the Constitution is so, so vitally important. It is simply the greatest document ever produced to describe the limits of government.

    Canadians don’t have the Second Amendment to justify arms ownership, yes we can turn to Natural Law and God given rights but when the only “legal” reasons for you to be able to own firearms as a citizen are for hunting, target shooting/competing and collecting, it becomes very easy to legislate the population into banning one after another.

    When the “Fudds” line-up to ban restricted firearms because THEY don’t “need” them, then you are feeding your neighbour to the beast with the hope that they eat you last instead of standing united.

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